Hi Erik!
>> Well, UNIX was a good command line OS, but now is time is over. We all need >> gui to simplify our work, and it's not really important if it's >> administrative work or office work, or better multimedia work. >A GUI to simplify my work? I'm currently writing a boot loader for >StrongARM embedded boards. Yep, not really a creative work, something very boring... But I know: someone have to do it... :-))) I agree with you that a boring and stable Unix terminal is enough for your job. But often people do more creative things with computers, happily it's not 1980 anymore and happily we are not all Unix programmers! :-))) >No. He started Linux because: Well, never read that book but I'm quite sure the first reason was the one I said. What u say it come after it. >> And it still pay for >> it. Also Linus still not pay his bills with Linux... :-))) >Oh yes he does. He's currently payed by Transmeta to work on Linux >(among other things). Well, not: it is primary payed to work on that loosy project called Transmeta processors, that are really weak hardware (I had one of those Sony Vaio with them on board, so I know what I say). He still do Linux like a game, and if u read the Linux kernel list u can also read lots of complain about it... >Linux complicated? Linux is quite easy to understand because it behaves >exactly the same as any other UNIX system. Well, you seems not understand that it is not 1980 anymore and that Unix is interesting for very few people in this days, also for system administrators and big company. Linux can be his modern version, but it just can, becouse it is not a professional OS, but it is what it is, a free toy for programmers and power users. And it's ok with me, for real! > It takes some time to >understand, especially if you're coming from Windows or MacOS, but >that's more because of the difference in underlying concepts. LOL LOL LOL, my problem is not understanding it, I'm sure I use it as good as you do (I mean as a user, I'm not a programmer :-))). The problem is: it is not powerful enough and simple enough to do nice and professional things like image editing, DTP and many more client stuff. Gimp is not Adobe Photoshop, but it's good enough and is FREE!!! So we can give it a try, but when we do magazines (like I do professionaly), we need the professionality of Photoshop. We need the professionality of a Windows or MAC OS! :-) I mean, when we talk about free time and free stuff, Linux is OK like it is!!! It's FREE, we can love that! >Linux buggy? Well, yes, Linux and his apps! Try KDE 2, Gnome 1.4, the PAN newsreader and many many client apps that normal people use on a computer. Java is just terrible looking under Linux gui and no Windows Media fomat, no Acrive X :-(((((!!! I not talk about some nerd programmer (maybe like yourself, no offence intended), I talk about people that use with satisfaction Windows or MAC. This is my point of view, I'm not interested in Unix console, but me and many more like me are looking for an alternative to Windows. And Linux it is not. But it's FREE and I choose to learn it and use it (sometimes) way back in... 1 9 9 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know it well now, but I not have big pieces of meat on my eyes like many of you guys... :-) All this thread started becouse someone say that IrDA under Linux is better than IrDA under Windows and that's not true, this is something that probably make laugh also the people that develop IrDA stack under Linux. But for me, it's ok, I like to use Linux sometimes becouse is free, I know it's not professional like Windows, but I NOT PAY FOR IT, it's MY CHOICE use it, so everything is okie dokie... :-)))) > I've used a PC running linux-2.0.36 with 463 days of >uptime. The machine was a log server for a complete UNIX network, >processed about 10K of log lines per minute. At the same time it was >also a public terminal for my group. Pity we moved to a different floor >so I had so switch the machine off. Please point me to an NT machine >with similar usage that has the same uptime. Yep, probably you are right. But this is something that not interested someone like me that like to point his phone against is Wonderful top class DELL Inspiron 8100 and make it work as fast as he can. And Windows do the job pretty okie! Do I have to explain that I had to use Linux IrDA stack in the past becouse I not to had the Windows license for my laptop (yes I buy it with Red Hat on it becouse it was FREE)? Now I have Win 2000 license on this great new machine, so I can also not use Linux becouse I payed for the best client OS in this world: Win 2000. >Linux full of problems? Yep, IRQ sharing, resource sharing, big IDE devices, weak file systems support and many many many many many many more.... But it's free, and it's okie! We used at our own risk. >Nobody interested in solving problems? If you move to the linux-kernel >mailing list, you'll find about 200 people (including Linus Torvalds) >interested in solving problems, and indeed *solving* problems. Yep, solving a problem and broken another part of the OS... It's always like that with Linux: broken something to fix something other... And they also not get along very well between them in this days, read the Alan Cox diary to learn more... :-((( >Quite a lot of people get payed to work on Linux or other open source >software. I know, there are serious company like Red Hat or SuSE... >OK, so let's assume it's a real and professional OS. Let's just assume >it for a moment, right? Now could you explain to me why: >- Over 65% of all web servers use the freely available Apache web > server running on UNIX systems (and 40% of those systems run Linux)? Becouse Apache is pretty good and it's FREE. I use Apache too for my little web server! Tcp/IP under Linux is the only working thing of Linux OS.. :-))) And it really work well! Obviously when u choose network hardware supported with good drivers, another big Linux problem... Example: this XIRCOM cardbus card in this wonderful Dell: kernel drivers go or not in Full Duplex dependant on the version of the kernel (:-(((), Pcmcia project always have a driver that go in Full Duplex, but sadly it's a old and not very clean driver... >- Over 99% of all DNS servers worldwide in use run BIND on UNIX > systems? Yep, Unix/Linux networking thing is pretty good, and Linux is FREE!!! LOL LOL LOL >- Sendmail mail servers running on UNIX systems are still used to send > the largest share of all mail send over the internet? Yep, sendmail is the standard becouse it is very bad (I hate that program, and I know it very well) but it run under Linux and it is free... :-)))) Sendmail is comparable to people using Pine to handle e-mail... Nothing is old and boring like Pine... >- The Gartner group advises companies to stop using MS Internet > Information Server and move to a better web server platform instead? Sorry, Never heard of them... >> We can say NT/2000/XP have lots of Unix related code: >> yep it's true, but it's more user friendly, more solid, more well supported, > >more pleasure to use it. >User friendly? Not for me. Yes becouse you are a computer geek and what is friendly for normal people is not for computer geeks... But professional OS are not for computer geeks. > I hate those badly designed point and click You hate them? I LOVE IT!!!!! I want gui!!! I like windows and colourful things!!! i play guitar, I record music on my various systems, I do DTP and I love all that great gui's!!! :-))))) It's 2001 and not 1980!!! Computer geeks that think and act like they are/was in the past, were the problem also for Windows: Microsoft had lots of boring Unix programmers writing code to wank on it ... LOL LOL LOL... But now nice, powerful code for normal people is there, and 2000/XP are very very very good and built with solidness and stability and feel to satisfy everyone. They are professional OS! >Well supported? Not really. OK, you can ask MS for support, but this is >only a "best effort" support for which you have to pay quite a lot of >money. Good things cost money. And well, Windows 2000/XP need very less support. It usually work well first time! No problem at all. > Compare this with the amount of support you can get from the >various Linux related mailing lists in which you usually get an answer >to your question in less than a day. Yep, like myself in this list. I know, subscribers of this list not like what I say, but no one say to me about the Maestro sound card problem against the Linux IrDA stuff on modern Dell laptop. He he he, they not tell it to me becouse also Brattli,, the main developer of the IrDA stuff under Linux, never know about it... :-(((((( But as I stated in another mail, it's okie... No one pay Brattli to reply to me or to learn things himself... It's Linux, it's free, it's fun!! :-))) >Pleasure to use? Not for me. But for me it is... Sooooo good when I use my Terratec RIAA equalizer to transfer with few clicks my huge LP collection (I have 25,000 items!!!) on CD! So good when I use Pro Tools to record my stuff with my heavy metal guitars and my punky sythetizers!... >You are severely misguided. It's a well known fact that price is >certainly *not* the same as quality. In this, and in many cases, yes it is without any doubt. >> Come on, be honest, how many times every person that really use a pc for >> serious job think like that? >More often than you think, obviously. Yep, becouse I still use Linux for some things, like to route my Lan, to make my personal newserver, to surf the net and handle my personal web server (but WITHOUT JAVA becouse Java pages under Linux looks shtting... :-((( About the Cd-ROM thing: I know very well how to SUID apps and make groups and stuff. But, well, I not like to use command lines to master my CD's, I like to be compared with that category of users you call dumb point and click users! I LOVE POINT AND CLICK colourful windows! So, I want be able to use my fav gui apps under KDE and Gnome: really impossibile, becouse Kde libs are not designed to work in SUID mode, try it for yourself... Honestly, im tired to become a SU and write command line things to master my CD's! So I buy and use cool Roxio software under Windows XP. >You should read more about the UNIX philosophy. The reason you can't do >that immediately in Linux is because you don't want all users to be >able to screw up your system. Yeppa yeppa, I know all this things, but usually one single person use his system so it's pretty uunusefull for normal home users, but this is another story. As I stated before, Linux is okie like this, everyone do what he want with it, if it work it work, if it not work, it's FREE!!! we can fuck Linux like it is our personal slut and complain about it... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL :-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) (I love my sluts...) >I'm glad you like to learn things, but I think you should learn a lot >more before you start giving unbalanced and uninformed critic on >people. Sorry, but I have to repeat that probably I'm able to use Linux exactly like yourself, and I can also use the Linux gui's at his best (hemmmm, for what his best is...) and probably you are not... LOL LOL LOL Ehmmm, little sentence just to be ON TOPIC: unloading the Maestro drivers, also my IrDA stack is finally working!!! But I prefer audio than IrDA: when u use a FREE OS u have to choose what you wanna use, becouse no one can guarantee everything is work together!!! And it's pretty okie, it's FREE, I not pay for it! Now I have to go out for the saturday night fever, but tomorrow I have another step to make in my Linux life: the new STUPID device organization on new kernels. An automount function really really really painful... No more /dev/scd1, no more /dev/fd0 :-((((((((((((((((( but a new organization of the devices to learn, just to be able to mount my Modular Bay floppy that worked very well in the past with the /dev/hdc device!!! Cooooooooollllllllll It help to wake up my mind in my spare time... Regards Massimo PS: hehehehehe, you tryed to fool me, but I also send this on the group... Usually it is sooooo sleeping, it need some blood on it. Waiting for the Andrew "pump up the blood over the IrDA Linux Stack", I try to make it a bit more shake myself... LOL _______________________________________________ Linux-IrDA mailing list - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pasta.cs.UiT.No/mailman/listinfo/linux-irda
