Linux-Misc Digest #797, Volume #18 Thu, 28 Jan 99 14:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux show on realaudio ("Chris Gingerich")
Re: Looking for software on the Net (David M. Cook)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Ken)
sndconfig for onboard pci audio (Tom Shealy)
Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise (Allen Crider)
Help! - 3 quick newbie questions (tar, bin, and unmounting) ("Preston Crawford")
Re: Linux OS Imaging (Frank Hale)
Re: Switching from Red Hat 5.1 to Debian (John Hasler)
Re: MGETTY (Bill Unruh)
Re: things I'd pay to have developed for Linux... (Thomas Zajic)
Config Internet RH 5.1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: USR 56 K WinModem driver. (Robert Heller)
Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise (Wuff)
Re: [HELP] How to determine daemon's TCP/IP ports? (Chris Saia)
Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: MGETTY ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
StarOffice vs. Applixware vs. WordPerfect ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Zip disk ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Jason T. Nelson)
Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code (Chris Webb)
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From: "Chris Gingerich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux show on realaudio
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 08:54:53 -0500
I know nothing about the technical aspects of Real Audio, but I think that
this is exactly the type of thing that help to bring Linux to more desktops,
ultimately resulting in more apps for my desktop. Sounds exciting.
-Chris
PhD Candidate - Wharton School of Business
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.redhat.rpm
Subject: Re: Looking for software on the Net
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 01:36:27 GMT
On 27 Jan 1999 14:50:24 PST, Mike Wittek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Where are some good places on the Internet to find software for Linux
>and its RPM, free or not? This can be a directory of places too.
http://rufus.w3.org/linux/RPM/
Dave Cook
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Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:19:42 -0800
From: Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Ken Pizzini wrote:
-- snip --
> Was this based on some *real* issue(s) with Linux, or just a
> blind presupposition that "Linux is merely a hobbyist OS"?
> I am at a loss to think of how Linux would be a security
> risk in a manner that FreeBSD would not also be.
>
It was probably B.I.F. - believing in FUD.
> --Ken Pizzini
Ken
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From: Tom Shealy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: sndconfig for onboard pci audio
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:47:12 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have an intel se440bx-2 motherboard with integrated pci audio (Yamaha
YMF740 PCI Audio I think). When I run sndconfig, it finds a PCI card of
type unknown. Then it says it *didn't* find any PnP or PCI sound cards
and asks me to select. There was no Yamaha driver, so I selected
SoundBlaster. I select the I/O port, IRQ, and DMA (I've tried all
possible combinations) and am told there is already a file
/etc/conf.modules. I click Ok to replace it, and again to start the
sound test. Each time I get a message that the following error occurred
running the modprobe program:
/lib/modules/preferred/misc/sb.o:
init_module: Device or resource busy
sound: Device or resource busy
What device is this? What do I need to do to get sound working? (Is
there anything special I need to do since the audio is integragted into
the motherboard?)
Thanks a lot,
-Tom
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From: Allen Crider <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 17:37:59 -0800
Mark Ramos wrote:
>
> After receiving emails and seeing the threads on RAM limitations I realize
> that this is yet another hardware limitation based on the PC architecture.
> So I see Linux trying to gain acceptance in the high end market but there
> are so many limitations.
Linux and PCs in general gaining acceptance for Enterprise? No, a PC isn't going
to replace something like an HP 9000 V-class, but where do you draw the line
when it comes to 'enterprise'?
> 4. You can't initialize the system from the serial port. I am running
> systems now from console (thanks to Linux) but it starts at the lilo
> prompt. I can't go into CMOS or see the memory count at boot up, etc. like
> it can be done on Sparc architecture, SGI, HP..... Supposedly it can be
> done with an add on board that is used in Compaq servers but c'mon this is
> a joke!
I run a linux server headless. It does have a video card installed, but since I
pay for the server with MY OWN MONEY, I'm happy as pie not to pay TOO MUCH MONEY
for a closed 'open systems' server.
If someone else is cutting the checks, sure, I'd get an expensive machine!
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From: "Preston Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: Help! - 3 quick newbie questions (tar, bin, and unmounting)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 10:00:05 -0700
I have quick three newbie questions.
First of all what does one use to unzip a .bin file? I'm familiar with
gunzip and tar, but not bin.
Secondly, how long should it take to untar a large file such as StarOffice?
I downloaded it and brought it home and it sits for quite a while. Is this
normal?
Finally, to bring these files home I mounted my internal zip drive. How does
one "unmount" a drive when they are finished using it?
Thanks in advance.
Preston
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From: Frank Hale <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Linux OS Imaging
Date: 28 Jan 1999 16:57:15 GMT
Charles Wilkins wrote:
>
> I am looking for solutions that allow easy transfer and archiving of the
> linux OS.
>
> Is there a utility that allows copying or archiving/imaging of the linux
> native and linux swap partitions for the purpose of upgrading harddisk
> sizes?
>
> Thanks to all who read this :)
>
> Feel free to post here or e-mail me at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I use Xcdroast and cdrecord to make images of my linux stuff for cd-r
backups. Not sure about the swap partition though.
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Switching from Red Hat 5.1 to Debian
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 14:19:29 GMT
Rod Person wrote:
> How can I upgrade a Red Hat system to Debian without deleting the
> working binary apps?
You can't.
> I think if I follow the installation procedures and not initalize a
> previous linux partition, it will just write over the red hat stuff. Any
> one know.
That won't work. Their are too many differences. Back up /home (or
unmount it if it's on a separate partition), make a list of what you have
installed, make notes about how everything is configured, and then just
install Debian over Red Hat, obliberating it. You won't need to
repartition, though you may want to.
Michel Catudal writes:
> It seems more like a downgrade, not to say a major headeache.
It will be a lot of work, but he will end up with a system with better
organization and a better package manager. And 2700 up to date packages
maintained and supported by Debian developers.
> ...and considering that it is where the industry is going you have better
> chance of having a good working system.
If that is your criteria stick with Windows.
> Debian requires much more work than you might have the patience to do.
Debian requires no more work than Red Hat.
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Dancing Horse Hill
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: MGETTY
Date: 28 Jan 1999 02:24:53 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Keith G. Murphy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
]>
]> I have mgetty on one of my systems handling ppp dialin connections. The lines
]> seem to be very unstable. Users connect and the line disconnects or becomes
]> stale but still alive within about 5 min. I have USR 56k modems. I have tried
]> port speeds at all levels. and a couple of differnt inits for the modems.
]> Also, the modems to seem to be reseting properly once the line is droped. I
]> would like advise from anyone having even the slightest clue as to what the
]> problem may be. An init string. A configuration change. Even different
]> modems. I am just at my wits end and in desperate need of advise. Thank you.
]I've been there. I've had probably every manner of problem it's
]possible to have with such.
]Be sure to look at /var/log/messages and /var/log/mgetty.ttSx. Increase
]the level of logging on both mgetty and pppd if need be. Let's see the
]logs when you've done that.
]Those modems *can* work for this. This isn't a dual-booting machine is
]it? I noticed that Win95 would screw the modem up, and I had to make
]mgetty do a "ATZ" before it was usable again.
Every time mgetty starts up it should initialise the modems. Taht is
what the init-chat string is for.
Also you must realise that the best you can get is 33K connection since
one of the two ends is not directly connected to a digital network. 56K
modems are a deceptive advertising. They will only work properly if one
end has a special digital modem which can talk directly tothe digital
lines of the phone company---no analog anywhere between you and the
phone company. The other way connection will be just 33K anyway. It may
be that the two modems are negotiating a higher rate and then the
transmission falls apart because the digital to analog translation
introduces lots of noise. Send an inti string to the modems to tell them
not to shut off sound when they connect then listen. You will probably
hear them trying to retrain and then dying.
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From: Thomas Zajic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: things I'd pay to have developed for Linux...
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:27:03 GMT
Keith G. Murphy wrote:
> I think I'm missing something non-obvious. I actually had looked
> through my "Linux in a Nutshell" before posting my last message, and
> found nothing. It doesn't mention 'e2label', or the '-L' option of
> tune2fs. I'll have to look at those.
Those were first implemented in e2fsprogs-1.12, IIRC. The latest version
is 1.14, get it from http://web.mit.edu/tytso/www/linux/e2fsprogs.html
> Oh, well, I did say "apparently". At least I didn't make a categorical
> statement and look like an ass! >:-)
;-)
Thomas
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Config Internet RH 5.1
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 02:20:53 GMT
Salut a tous. Quelques petit problemes avec linux RH 5.1, je n'arrive pas a
me connecter a internet. Mon modem est reconnu et semble etre correctement
configure. Le numero est compose, la connection s'etablie mais apres quelques
secondes le serveur d'en face la coupe et j'ai un message d'erreur. Sous
windows, j'utilise un script de connection, s'il est necessaire sous linux, a
quel endroit le configurer. J'ai vraiment besoin d'aide, j'ai chercher dans
le manuel RH, dans les FAQ, dans les How To... et je n'ai rien trouve. Au
secours et merci pour les reponses.
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Subject: Re: USR 56 K WinModem driver.
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Heller)
Date: 27 Jan 1999 20:06:46 -0500
Martin Gillett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:51:35 -0500, wrote :
MG> Hi
MG>
MG> Does anyone know of a driver for a USR 56K WinModem for Linux.
MG>
MG> Thanks in advance
MG>
MG> Martin Gillett
MG> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MG>
WinModems are not supported by Linux. Return the USR 56K WinModem and
get a 'real' USR modem -- one with an actual UART chip on it or any
external modem.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wuff)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise
Date: 28 Jan 1999 18:04:15 GMT
In <78o1sr$plb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M Sweger) writes:
>But what about this scenario. If I make linux a printerver without
>any video card and I do a reboot of that box, I take it from this
>thread that it'll hang. I don't want to put a video, keyboard and
>monitor on it. The same applies to it acting in a network gateway
>scenario or router. What I'd like to do is user another PC,
>that has a keyboard,monitor etc running Linux and telnet from this PC to
>the other linux box (wthout a console) and login in and configure that
>printer server/router/gateway. This will save on the amount of hardware I'd
>have to buy,maintain/fix and occupying space.
>If a video card is really needed on the other machine, then I'd say
>linux needs to be fixed so that this isn't a requirement, but that
>in the situtation I need to get direct access using a console, that
>at boot I can manually tell Linux that the console is present.
You do not need a mouse, a keyboard, or a video card in a linux
machine in order for it to boot.
My server at home is a K6-200 machine with a Gigabyte motherboard.
The BIOS allows to to ignore all errors, such as not finding a
kerboard or graphics device.
It boots quite happily, and runs as a file and net access server.
Any configuration required is done via X over the network.
Regards,
Vin
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Subject: Re: [HELP] How to determine daemon's TCP/IP ports?
From: Chris Saia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28 Jan 1999 13:18:35 -0500
Lam Dang <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Given an executable running on, say, Red Hat
> 5.2, is it possible to determine the TCP/IP port
> or ports it responds to, without documentation and
> source? If so, what's the best way to do it?
Try lsof(8). You'll probably need to download it from vic.cc.purdue.edu.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is Microsoft a nasty company ? I'm asking you this question.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:15:17 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 28 Jan 1999 01:55:42 +0100,
> David Kastrup, in the persona of
> >Yes somebody better should do that. Perhaps something that looks like
> >the kickstart installation options of RedHat Linux or S.u.S.E Linux.
> >If anybody were to develop a Linux distribution that would offer
> >something like those two Windows vendors do, Linux would be off to a
> >raging success.
> >
> >As it is, we have to just grit the teeth and wait. And suffer
> >computers like the Cobalt Qube and the Corel Netwinder to come
> >preinstalled only with Windows.
>
> maybe I am missing something here, but both the Cube and Netwinder are
> linux _only_, they are not even available with Windows, presinstalled or
> no.
You read too quickly over the part where RedHat and SuSE are called "those two
Windows vendors", otherwise the sarcasm would have been obvious.
--
"It seems certain that much of the success of Unix follows from the
readability, modifiability, and portability of its software."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: MGETTY
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 18:16:06 GMT
Ok. I'll get on the more verbose logging for the system.
Thanks for the reply, The post has been out for a few days I had all but given
up on getting a response...
Keith W.
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > I have mgetty on one of my systems handling ppp dialin connections. The
lines
> > seem to be very unstable. Users connect and the line disconnects or becomes
> > stale but still alive within about 5 min. I have USR 56k modems. I have
tried
> > port speeds at all levels. and a couple of differnt inits for the modems.
> > Also, the modems to seem to be reseting properly once the line is droped. I
> > would like advise from anyone having even the slightest clue as to what the
> > problem may be. An init string. A configuration change. Even different
> > modems. I am just at my wits end and in desperate need of advise. Thank you.
>
> I've been there. I've had probably every manner of problem it's
> possible to have with such.
>
> Be sure to look at /var/log/messages and /var/log/mgetty.ttSx. Increase
> the level of logging on both mgetty and pppd if need be. Let's see the
> logs when you've done that.
>
> Those modems *can* work for this. This isn't a dual-booting machine is
> it? I noticed that Win95 would screw the modem up, and I had to make
> mgetty do a "ATZ" before it was usable again.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: StarOffice vs. Applixware vs. WordPerfect
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 17:35:40 GMT
I've been browsing around trying to decide which of the "big three" office
application suites to go with and install on my system (StarOffice,
Applixware, or WordPerfect). However, I haven't been able to find much
information on the ability of ANY of these programs to import, convert, or
work with Microsoft Office documents. My office shares a great deal of
information between Linux and Windows machines on the network (Samba)... so
it's pretty crucial that I have a means of viewing/editing Office files.
Anyone know about the capabilities (or lack thereof) for any and all of
those three office suites... of if there is some other (and better) Linux
office application suite out that I haven't even heard of yet? Thanks!
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Zip disk
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 00:42:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Mark Robinson wrote:
> >
> > Which Zip Disk interface should I get IDE,paralell(sp?) or SCSI? Which
> > will work with Linux?
>
> The SCSI is faster and more expensive. If you don't already have a SCSI
> card that could cost you more than $60, even for a cheap NRC53c810 card
> from SW.COM, (I'm not sure that card would work for a SCSI Zipdrv
> interface) otherwise figure three times that cost. Then, there is the
> matter of the SCSI cable and terminator: about $40 each. So, a minimum
> of $150 plus the cost of the ZIP drive to go SCSI.
>
Hold on.....the SCSI Zip Zoom card (an adaptec 152x)is included
with the Zip SCSI drive....total runs around $119-$149, depending
on where you get it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason T. Nelson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 28 Jan 1999 17:54:26 GMT
According to Ken <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Ken Pizzini wrote:
> -- snip --
> > Was this based on some *real* issue(s) with Linux, or just a
> > blind presupposition that "Linux is merely a hobbyist OS"?
> > I am at a loss to think of how Linux would be a security
> > risk in a manner that FreeBSD would not also be.
> >
> It was probably B.I.F. - believing in FUD.
Maybe they read bugtraq.
--
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BOFH Extraordiaire
http://www.eboai.org/~jtn/
disclaimer: My opinions are my own. Don't bother my employer about them.
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From: Chris Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Criminally Insane Programmers Are Attracted To Open Source Code
Date: 28 Jan 1999 08:35:26 +0000
Jim Frost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Jim Frost also wrote in an earlier posting:
> > > [2038 problem]
> > > Yea but we've worked through that on other UNIXen by expanding
> > > time_t to a 64-bit int. Problem solved for a couple gazillion
> > > years.
> >
> > Incidentally, which Unixen are they? (and who is 'we'?!)
>
> I thought IRIX did it, but it turns out that they specifically
> downsize it. Oh well, maybe I just remembered the discussions.
> Interestingly Java uses a 64-bit timestamp (though its resolution is
> ms, not second).
Linux/alpha seems to have 64-bit time_t already:
$ cat >twiddle.c
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <time.h>
int main(void) {
printf("sizeof(time_t) is %d\n", sizeof(time_t));
return 0;
}
$ gcc twiddle.c -o twiddle
$ ./twiddle
sizeof(time_t) is 8
Strangely enough, apparently Digital UNIX doesn't. Perhaps something to
do with it's checkered history as a 32-bit OS on a 64-bit processor?
c.
[Followups to sensible groups since this has now strayed back towards
being a technical discussion. Ha!]
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