Linux-Misc Digest #805, Volume #18 Fri, 29 Jan 99 03:13:17 EST
Contents:
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters ("Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus")
Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise (Tim Smith)
Newbie question Cont. (Merman)
Re: Antivirus ("Tim Hamza")
Re: Web Browsers. . . ("Matt Penfold")
Re: [HELP] How to determine daemon's TCP/IP ports? (Tony Hoyle)
Re: Linux on IBM Thinkpad 370C ? (Karel Jansens)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Mike Werner)
making a DOS bootable floppy on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Whats Linux's equiv. of WIN98 Registry? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Start of Discussion Linux vers NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise (Tim Smith)
Re: libm.so.4? (Jim White)
Re: Best version of Netscape 4.5 (Regit Young)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (Matthias Warkus)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: 28 Jan 1999 15:55:47 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Matthias Warkus
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
: It was the 26 Jan 1999 13:32:02 GMT...
: ..and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Matthias Warkus
:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> eloquently scribe:
:> : <snicker> At least, they tell you the shape of your country in Germany, and
:> : they give you a free copy of the Constitution. And you don't need to pledge
:> : allegiance to a stupid *flag* - we ditched that kind of silliness after 1945.
:>
:> And we never had that kind of silliness in the first place...
: You never had *flags*?
Nope. We just never had to make silly pledges of allegiance.
(The only time you EVER have to do that is if you join the armed services)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: 28 Jan 1999 15:57:23 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
eloquently scribe:
: pdohert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:> Who invented the transistor, IC and microprocessor on which the first
:> computers were built?
: The first computers were not build with transistors or silicon chips.
: Actually, saying who started computing is a difficult question, since
: there were so many steps involved. Computing revolution is as
: difficult too.
A good place to start is the first stored program computer...
Which was designed and built in Manchester.
(No more need for a total rewiring job to make it do something else)
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From: "Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 03:20:43 +1100
G'day...
> How does what you just said in any way indicate that I need to refresh
> my memory with textbooks? You've only confirmed what I said - that
the
> majority of the innovations in the computing industry have come from
the
> US. I didn't exclude the miltary from involvement. They *are* US
> citizens after all, and where do you think the US military *recruits*
> from?
Hrmm.... No offence but please don't see things through such a limited
world
view.
The US military must recruit from US nationals. The reason for this
should be
fairly obvious.
The US has provided quite a number of innovations to the computing
industry.
However to my perception, the computing industry is far broader than
what so far
has been discussed or apparently perceived to be in the discussion. If
it
wasn't for countries other than the US, it is extremely doubtful that
the US
would have provided the innovations it has. (Note: I am not demeaning
those
innovations, as they are wonderful.)
Also, please don't confuse commerce with innovations. The US has
greatly
provided (or at least a large contribution) to the financial and
commercial push
of modern computing.
Due to the world wide shortage of IT professionals, even US companies
are luring
non US nationals for computing positions. (The US is not the only
country that
partakes in this phenomenon, e.g. the UK.) On a local note (for me,
being an
Australian) Australian qualifications are regarded as some of the best
in the
world. Why - because of high level of practicality, innovation, quality
and
understanding. This raises the question of how "US" is a "US
innovation"?
(There are many examples of US teams formed mainly from non US
nationals.)
A couple (amongst a myriad of others - quite a number major) of
Australian
innovations are samba and computers that detect the warning/early signs
of
cancer. (Surely this contribution to *cancer* prevention must be seen
as major
computing innovation.)
The US is certainly not the most technological country in the world
(especially
in regards to computing). Look at Japan, South East Asia, or even
Australia.
(After all, where do you think all your hardware comes from - almost all
hardware is developed and manufactured in Asia.) In fact, if it wasn't
for Asia,
modern computing would incredibly *far behind* what it is today. Moving
focus
to the UK, take a look at Edinburgh (for major examples in logic and AI
amongst
others). (Apologies to my UK conterparts for providing only a couple of
examples when the UK has contributed so much.)
Have you ever heard of UNESCO (sp?), IEEE, ISO, ISPIO and other European
and
international computing organisations? (Lets not forget all the
contributions
European countries have made - take Germany for example.)
In regard to the internet - there are many WAN technologies outside of
it. Yet,
history has decided that TCP/IP provides the dominating force. In many
ways,
the internet phenonemom was just waiting to happen. (This is not to
belittle
those facts of history at all! - On a side issue, it is a juxtaposed
shame that
commerce has pounced so heavily upon it when compared to other
networking
technologies.)
>From my experience (and I'm sure most would agree), US citizens hold a
great
deal of national pride and patriotism - which is a *great* thing! =)
However,
it is important that you do not let this limit your vision such that
anything
external is lesser, inferior or of diminished importance.
All the best...
Michael.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise
Date: 28 Jan 1999 22:56:57 -0800
M Sweger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>But what about this scenario. If I make linux a printerver without
>any video card and I do a reboot of that box, I take it from this
>thread that it'll hang. I don't want to put a video, keyboard and
>monitor on it. The same applies to it acting in a network gateway
A video card is $10 or so. That's all you need. Most BIOSes can be
set to ignore keyboard errors (including a lack of a keyboard), and
whether you have a monitor connected to the video card or not doesn't
make a different.
--Tim Smith
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From: Merman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Newbie question Cont.
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:41:47 GMT
OK, I got all the C & C++ libs installed. I can run ./configure, but it
gets only so far
before I get this error:
checking for TIFFGetVersion in -ltiff... yes
checking for png_read_info in -lpng... no
checking for gtk-config... /usr/bin/gtk-config
checking for GTK - version >= 1.0.0... no
*** Could not run GTK test program, checking why...
*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log
for the
*** exact error that occured. This usually means GTK was incorrectly
installed
*** or that you have moved GTK since it was installed. In the latter
case, you
*** may want to edit the gtk-config script: /usr/bin/gtk-config
configure: error: Cannot find GTK: Is gtk-config in path?
I have installed:
gtk+-1.0.6-3
gtk+-devel-1.0.6-3
What could be the problem?
Thanks
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From: "Tim Hamza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Antivirus
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:22:46 -0700
I have McAfee VirusScan on my Win95 partition and was upgrading it the other
day. There are versions for Win xx, Dos, Os/2, etc, but also for Linux,
Solaris, and I think some other Uni. I wonder what that is all about.
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From: "Matt Penfold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Web Browsers. . .
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:45:15 -0000
Michel Catudal wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Norvell Spearman wrote:
>>
>
>You should try 4.08 with encription 128 bits. It works well except
>for a stupid bug where it thinks that I live in England and uses that
>shit time mode called GMT. My linux box is set on real time,
>Eastern time Michigan but it ignores it. I haven't found anything to
>fix this. Netscape is the only one that thinks that I want GMT.
>
>The export version works ok as far as the time is concerned.
>
>--
Just remember that without that 'shit' time mode GMT, there would be no
concept of time zones, and you would be getting up in the middle of the
night to go to work!
Matt Penfold
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From: Tony Hoyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: [HELP] How to determine daemon's TCP/IP ports?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:40:02 +0000
Lam Dang wrote:
>
> Given an executable running on, say, Red Hat
> 5.2, is it possible to determine the TCP/IP port
> or ports it responds to, without documentation and
> source? If so, what's the best way to do it?
>
netstat -a will list the sockets that are being listened on,
and 'fuser -n tcp <port>' should list the apps using a given port
(although I couldn't get that bit to work on my system).
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Reply-To: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
Subject: Re: Linux on IBM Thinkpad 370C ?
Date: 28 Jan 1999 16:40:42 GMT
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999 20:50:50, "Remko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I managed to install SuSE linux on an old toshiba i386 laptop with 4MB
> internal, a 61MB HD + floppy. This was hell, and the miniminimini system I
> crammed onto this thiny little HD is only, but very usefull, to get
> aquainted with linux (since I am new to this). I can now rlogin to my
> desktop via a parallel nullmodem using TCP/IP and do all sort of neat stuff.
>
> Anyway, this is what I did:
>
> Copy the installation media on a DOS partition peace by peace via the
> parallel. Figure out wich files I could do without and install step by step,
> deleting installed files and copy newones onto the partition. You will
> probably have more than enough space to install a small system at once, set
> up a NFS and go from there.
>
> some problems I encountered:
>
> Lack of memory. 4MB won't work without switching terminals and making
> swapspace. 8MB seems to be somewhat of a minimum 12MB will be slow but it
> will work fine.
>
> Lack of HD space. I crammed everything into a partition of 50MB with nothing
> to spare. ext2 will reserve about 5% of the partition for the superuser, I
> think to store data to recover in case something goes wrong, so that left me
> with a 46MB Linuxfish in 47.5MB tin can. The rest was swap and DOS.
>
> Lots and lots of installation errors because I had to install step by step
> each time exiting and unfinished installation.
>
> Some remarks:
> On my desktop I installed RedHat without any problems. I like the YaST
> program (Yet another Setup Tool) that SuSE uses a lot.
>
> Have fun!
> Remko
>
>
Thanks for the info. I actually had a similar system, but it was stolen.
(Why anybody in their right mind would want to nick a 386sx-25 mono
notebook with 40M hard drive still baffles me, but that's life for you).
I once managed to install OS/2 Warp 3.0 on that notebook, and I _still_ had
2M of free space (this was in my pre-linux days of yonder). Mind you, it
took about a week to open a window in the WorkPlace Shell (Warp's grahical
environment) and then it would crash, but basically it worked.
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
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From: Mike Werner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 01:10:44 -0500
Michael 'BeLFrY' S. E. Kraus wrote:
> The US military must recruit from US nationals. The reason for this
> should be
> fairly obvious.
Care to lay odds on that? If so, I'll see if I still have the addreses
of some of the folks I served with while in the US Navy. I do remember
that at least one was from the Subic Bay area of the Philippines. I
believe the others were from down around Manila. But they each were
still citizens of the Philippines, not the US.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: making a DOS bootable floppy on Linux
Date: 28 Jan 1999 16:47:01 GMT
I would like to create under Linux a DOS bootable floppy.
Is it possible ?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Whats Linux's equiv. of WIN98 Registry?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:49:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 28 Jan 1999 09:00:11 -0000, "Justin R. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Linux isn't windowing system, so it doesn't need a registry.
>
Can you explain that statement ? The windows registry is a configuration
database. This is absolutely independent of windowing system or not. There are
people who would like Linux to have a registry. However, that is another
discussion...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Start of Discussion Linux vers NT
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 09:32:40 GMT
Hi All
As a new user of Linux, i would like to start a discussion on the plus
and minuses of windows and linux. I am NOT a programmer or os guru but
would put myself into the group of curious explorer of Microsoft
alternitives.
I have a backgroup in P.C Hardware repair ( used to be component level
in the early days ) and network planning and implementation, all of
this has been based on the MS windows enviroment.
Thats a bit about me, now let me kick of the chat.
In the ring are:
Defender : MICROSOFT WINDOWS 95 / 98 / NT4
Challangers: CALDERA 1.3 and REDHAT 5.2
Looking for a vaiable alternitive to MS i went to the shop and bought
both of the challangers because i read that either one of these two
versions of linux would be out of the box alternitives to MS.
I started with CALDERA as it came with some software to install after
installation that if i implemented a linux box in a office situation
the user could do standard office tasks. So i read the install notes
and after repartitioning my hard drive proseeded with the CD BOOT
install. All seemed easy enough and it installed as said.
LILO kicked in and both my OS's worked fine Linux and Win'98 on the
same system very nice. This is where the first problem showed its
self !!!! NETWORKING, after many hours trying to configure my
supported network card i gave up ( 1 minute flat in all versions of
Windows ) since linux is mainly a networking product i found setting
up a network card should be one of the prioritys in easy
installations.
So i turned to REDHAT 5.2 becuase i read in the box that it sets up
network cards within the install.
So deleted CALDERA and started a fresh with READHAT.
Again the install was easy and both OS's worked together.
And yes my network card was detected and configured in seconds.
This where the second bit of stress showed its self. XWIN.
Now with REDHAT i got this working in VGA mode which was good enough
to get a internet connection via router and find out that i needed to
upgrade to the server SVGA 3.3.3.1 to support my Matrox G200 video
card. So i searched REDHAT for this update and found what seem to be
hundreds of seperate files that i had to download and install, got
very confussed at this so visited CALDERA and thats where i found a 1
file RPM relivant to my needs and downloaded that, that solution fixed
my server needs.
So far this is as far as i have got in my linux adventures, to
summerise:
I am now running Windows '98 and Redhat 5.2 on the same system because
Redhat gave me network support from the start.
After the first rounds of this contest, i have come to the opionion
that if Linux is to be a serious contender it needs the big players in
the game to jion up and work together since both versions blended
together would give a great OS. I am still exploring my new linux
system and look forward to the day when i can offer it as a real
alternitive to MS.
I would like anyone who feels they would like to jion me in this END
USER discussion to email me at
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux on PC's not ready for Enterprise
Date: 28 Jan 1999 23:01:45 -0800
Richard Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The only thing you need a monitor and keyboard for is at the point of initial
>installation. Just leave the stupid video card in the machine. Its not
>hurting anything, it isn't worth anything, and it doesn't even usually eat an
>IRQ.
Hell, just get a motherboard with onboard video, and you don't even need to
futz around finding a cheap video card.
--Tim Smith
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From: Jim White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: libm.so.4?
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 21:20:37 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stefan Davids wrote:
>
> Loren Brookes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Jeffery Chow wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, where can I get a copy of libm.so.4.?.o? I installed an
> > > app that needs this old (math??)library and I can't seem to
> > > find it anywhere on the net. Is there a site out there that
> > > keeps these old files around?
>
> > This is part of the glibc package
>
> No, that's libm.so.6. The one mentioned above is part of the old a.out
> libraries. You should still be able to get these, for instance Redhat
> does an aout lib package called aout-libs-*.rpm.
>
> Note your kernel will have to be compiled with aout support for you to
> run these programs....
>
> Stefan
I happen to have libm.so.4.6.27 on an old i386. But it seems of no
use.
when I compile a math program with -lm, I get complain that no
definition
for sin, cos, exp, etc. . The gcc manual say the lib to be linked is
libm.a
and I do have a libm.a on that machine too. So I don't know which one
is
the culprit. Maybe it's the old i386?
I also fail to compile this program on a sparc 5 running sunos 4.1.4
which
has libm.a but no libm.so.( no definition for sin, cos, exp, etc.)
I wonder how can I find which lib is used by gcc when compiling, and
how can I find what functions are contained in a lib. Any one can help?
TIA
--Jim
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From: Regit Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.news,linux.redhat.misc,alt.os.linux,aus.computers.linux
Subject: Re: Best version of Netscape 4.5
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 15:40:14 +0800
Which version? Correct me if I'm wrong.... aren't there only one 4.5
available for glib2.X?
Alex McCreath wrote:
> Which version of Netscape Communicator (4.5) runs best under Linux RH52.
> I have a standard Pentium 120 machine with 64M memory and plenty of
> drive space. Thanks in advance.
>
> Alex McCreath
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1999 16:48:23 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 27 Jan 1999 15:33:54 -0800...
..and Darin Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> pdohert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Who invented the transistor, IC and microprocessor on which the first
> > computers were built?
>
> The first computers were not build with transistors or silicon chips.
>
> Actually, saying who started computing is a difficult question, since
> there were so many steps involved. Computing revolution is as
> difficult too.
I think it's impossible to define who invented the computer, since it's
already hard to define what a computer is.
mawa
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