Linux-Misc Digest #760, Volume #19 Tue, 6 Apr 99 12:13:26 EDT
Contents:
Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion? (Enkidu)
Re: HD sleeping?! (Michael Wilms)
What does "No module off found for kernel 2.2.3" mean? ("Chris Blain")
Re: Framebuffer woes (Matthias Warkus)
Re: procmail-rhcn 3.13 Red Hat 5.2, 5.1, 5.0 RPM and SRPM (Lars Hecking)
Re: New Microsoft News (Johan Kullstam)
xdm working but no wm (Paul Harrison)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: EGCS and KDE/Qt ("Thomas T. Veldhouse")
Re: Cheapbytes - What happened??? ("Thomas T. Veldhouse")
Re: LILO - Win98 Boot problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Yet another glibc 2.1 question ("Thomas T. Veldhouse")
Re: NTFS vs EXT2 (**Nick Brown)
Re: SANE is Making Me In---- ("Walter L. Williams")
ip-up alternative? (oak)
Re: glibc 586 vs glibc 386 ("Thomas T. Veldhouse")
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Harry)
Has anyone successfully compiled ALSA 0.3.0pre5 ? (Stephen Anthony)
Sound in Linux? (Michael O'Malley)
Re: New Microsoft News (Mykool)
Re: CD music....HELP! (Technical Support)
web server question and other (Linda Sue Barton)
Re: BUS error - Netscape (Thomas Zajic)
Re: New Microsoft News (Mykool)
Re: xdm working but no wm (**Nick Brown)
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From: Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VMWARE -- why isn't it the rage topic of discussion?
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:34:50 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard Steiner wrote:
>
> It's a neat concept, but I weaned myself from Windows long ago.
>
It's also a very OLD concept. I used VM (IBM) back in '87, '88, and
it wasn't new then! We had, as I recall, several large Virtual
Machines running copies of MVS or something, and lots of CMS users
all in their own Virtual Machines.
Cliff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Wilms)
Subject: Re: HD sleeping?!
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:36:55 +0200
I guess it's an internal job of the hard drive. It's called 'thermal
calibration'.
I've never heard that it might be possible to suppress it...
Bye,
Michael
Kiki schrieb:
>
> Hi!
> I have my Linux box up 24 hours a day, and during the night I notice it
> accessing my hard drive often, sometimes a soon as every 10 minutes.
> Is there any way to find out what processes are doing that? I want to set
> hard drive on my Linux box sleep all night! But I can not shut down Linux
> box because I want to use "crond". Any idea how to sleep my hard disk for
> all night?
> X-Mozilla-Status: 0009
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Subject: What does "No module off found for kernel 2.2.3" mean?
From: "Chris Blain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:37:35 -0800
I'm trying to compile the 2.2.3 kernel on Redhat 5.2 (I have a working 2.2.2
kernel now)
and when I get to the point where I enter
mkinitrd /boot/initrd-2.2.3.img 2.2.3 the command returns
"No module off found for kernel 2.2.3". Did I forget something?
Thanks,
Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Framebuffer woes
Date: Wed, 7 Apr 1999 11:31:35 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 04 Apr 1999 00:38:46 +0200...
..and Hannes Eriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem is that VESA FB cannot change resolution and/or color-depth
> while up-running.
> All other FrameBuffer drivers can do that. If you realy need framebuffer X
>
> it's recommended to use _any_other_driver_ then VESA
Such as?
mawa
--
[...] there was no region where American capital did not support local
labour. Moreover the American press, gramophone, radio, cinematograph
and televisor ceaselessly drenched the planet with American thought.
-- W. Olaf Stapledon, _Last_and_First_Men, 1931
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From: Lars Hecking <lhecking+u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: procmail-rhcn 3.13 Red Hat 5.2, 5.1, 5.0 RPM and SRPM
Date: 06 Apr 1999 13:07:18 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Bourne) writes:
> We have posted the i386.rpm and src.rpm on our WWW site at
> http://www.affinity-systems.ab.ca/software/ for procmail-rhcn 3.13. These
> should work on Red Hat 5.0, 5.1, and 5.2 but were compiled under Red Hat 5.2
> and kernel 2.2.X
3.13.1 was just released.
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From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: New Microsoft News
Date: 06 Apr 1999 08:38:33 -0400
Mykool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Someone finally needs to say this. This is not an anti-microsoft
[snip blah blah blah]
one word: paragraphs
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johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Harrison)
Subject: xdm working but no wm
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:49:13 +0100 (BST)
Dear All, just installed Debian (slink), needed to upgrade Xserver to
3.3.3 (I think) to support my Diamond Permedia graphics card and had to
move to Kernel 2.1 for SMP support for my dual Pentium II 450 MHz
processors.
xdm is working and I have a login widget, however when I log in I just
get what looks like a failsafe session (an xterm in the upper left hand
corner) but with no window manager running. I can start a window
manager manually with a line like `fvwm2'.
I suspect that xdm is not reading the configuration files, this is based
on the following evidence, I've added a line
echo HELP > /dev/tty1
to /etc/X11/Xsession, but there is no output on tty1.
To try to force xdm to read xdm-config I've changed /etc/rd6.d/K01xdm,
which I think is the file that starts the xdm, it now reads
start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pid $PIDFILE --exec $DAEMON --
-config /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config || echo -n " already running"
Then I've restarted the xdm with
./K01xdm restart
This gives output which implies successful restarting of xdm.
But still no luck, no window manager starts when I log in.
All help very much appreciated. Looking forward to hearing from you.
___________________________________________________________________________
Paul Harrison e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Electronic & Elec. Eng. tel: +44 (0)113-233 2043
University of Leeds fax: +44 (0)113-244 9451
LS2 9JT talk: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
U.K. InPerson: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.imp.leeds.ac.uk/qe/
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:11:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
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>
> Jeremiah> In article <7e391i$ksm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jeremiah> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Betz) spake thusly:
> >> Little things annoy. For example, there is no common buffer
> >> for cutting and pasting between apps. You can't do something
> >> as simple as paste text copied from an xterm session into, say,
> >> Netscape.
>
> Jeremiah> ? Sure you can... I do it all the time... select
> Jeremiah> the section with the left button, paste with the middle
> Jeremiah> button. It's also a lot faster than the Windows method:
> Jeremiah> select with the left button, click Ctrl-C to copy
> Jeremiah> (unless you happen to be running a Telnet session from
> Jeremiah> IE, then you have to go up to the edit menu and select
> Jeremiah> "copy"), then move to where you want to paste, and type
> Jeremiah> Ctrl-V.
>
>However, this is a fix. I can't do it on my slackware box & I
>couldn't do it on my Really Horrible box, either. I'm sure there's a
>way to hack it into place, but it's far from being the universal
>default.
When I instaled RH5.1 cut/paste was a
deafult capability, it didn't require me to
perform any 'hacking'.
>
>mp
>
>powered by GNU/linux since Sept 1997
>- --
>Michael Powe Portland, Oregon USA
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.trollope.org
> "Would John the Baptist have lost his head if his name was Steve?"
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From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EGCS and KDE/Qt
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:35:13 -0500
Or do as most people do on all the other distributions and simply download
the tarball and compile the source for yourself. Keep in mind that if you
update Qt and you have already created some programs (i.e. your own code or
perhaps KDE) that link to it, you may need to recompile them as well. (This
will remain a problem even if you use RPM's).
Tom Veldhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kelly Burkhart wrote in message ...
>David Rees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Johan Groth wrote:
>> >
>> > Try the following ftp-link:
>> > ftp://rawhide.redhat.com/i386/RedHat/RPMS/
>> >
>> > You will find egcs-1.1.1 (not the newest but newer than the one you
>> > have; the newest is 1.1.2), kde and qt-1.44.
>>
>> Don't try that link. Most likely, they won't work on your system
>> without some other serious changes to glibc. All the RPMS on rawhide
>> are compiled under glibc2.1, and Redhat5.2 used glibc2.0 which aren't
>> always quite compatible. Use ftp://contrib.redhat.com instead.
>>
>> -Dave
>Correct, but there is also an SRPMS directory on rawhide. You can
>build egcs, qt and kde on your system with those SRPMS and will have a
>better chance of getting things to work.
>
>--
>Kelly R. Burkhart
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cheapbytes - What happened???
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:39:20 -0500
It looks like they changed there domain, perhaps your DNS server is still
caught with the old data.
Tom Veldhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
jimterm wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Does anyone know what happened to Cheapbytes.Com
>
>There website just returns "404 Not Found"
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: LILO - Win98 Boot problem
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:26:58 GMT
Hi, When u run lilo, it creates a boot.NNN saving the previous boot sector.
You must be able to find it in /boot or somewhere. Check with man lilo as how
you can use this to restore the boot sector if possible.
Satish
In article <FyXN2.2282$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"TonyG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have been modifying lilo.conf so that Windows98 would be the default boot
> OS, however in the process I have managed to corrupt the Win98 boot sector.
>
> I can no longer boot into Win98 or access the C drive from Linux or from a
> DOS boot disk. I have tried the FDISK /MBR command but have the same
> problem. The SYS command also does not recognise the C drive as a valid DOS
> disk.
>
> Is there any solution besides reformatting and re-installing Windows98?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
>
>
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From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Yet another glibc 2.1 question
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:43:28 -0500
Stampede is a new distribution that supports glibc-2.1 on an x86.
Debian-2.1 also supports glibc-2.1 on an alpha.
Tom Veldhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
ne... wrote in message ...
>On Mar 27, 1999 at 06:08, Michael Torrie eloquently wrote:
>
>> Most of the binary RPMs I've downloaded lately from rpmfind.net seem
>>to require GLIBC 2.1. The only version I could find was what looked
>>like a development version, date 990311. Once I installed it, the
>>dependancy thing was taken care of, but the program (x11amp alpha 3-1)
>>simply seg-faulted. A lot of my other programs wouldn't run either.
>>xxgdb for instance seg-faults. where do I find the proper version of
>>Glibc 2.1? Will the old apps still run that need glib 2.0 (i'm thinking
>>glibc-2.0.7-29)? I'd really appreciate it if someone could point me in
>>the right direction. Recompiling all the new programs doesn't sound
>>that great because some of them are gnome apps. Also, sometimes a
>>program will complain it can't find a specific library when loading. I
>>check the ld.co.conf paths, and the library is there. Anyone know
>>what's up here? Eterm, esound both do this.
>I think it is safe to say that at the moment RedHat's RawHide
>is the only distribution that is using glibc 2.1. Your best
>bet when downloading from rpmfind.net is to stay away from
>these rpms. I generally grab the version immediately preceeding
>the RawHide one.
>
>--
>If you float on instinct alone, how can you calculate the buoyancy for
>the computed load?
> -- Christopher Hodder-Williams
>
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NTFS vs EXT2
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:17:48 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It's kind of academic. You run EXT2 on Linux and NTFS on NT; trying to
run them the other way round is asking for problems. There are EXT2
utilities for NT, but no FS driver as far as I know. Similarly, there
is an NTFS driver for Linux, but it's read-only.
NTFS comes from the Evil Empire, so that makes it _BAD_ by definition.
It's also bad because CHKDSK can take _days_ to run sometimes. On the
other hand, if you want to throw four million files of 30 bytes each at
a disk, NTFS will take it - once again, MS has made the world safe for
stupidity.
"Herminio Alvarez, Jr." wrote:
>
> Which is better? What are the pros and cons of each filesystem. If you
> could even provide a link to a site that has information, I'd appreciate
> it.
>
> **** Herminio Alvarez, Jr.
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From: "Walter L. Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SANE is Making Me In----
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 07:29:58 -0600
> I got one with my UMAX scanner
> and ended up having to get a real scsi card. Is the Hp
> scanner a real scsi scanner?
The scsi card I received with my HP Scanjet 5 scanner
was usless with my Linux install. ( unreconized )
So I bought a real scsi card, an Adaptec 2940U.
Walt in utah
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From: oak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ip-up alternative?
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:32:14 GMT
Anyone know of an ip-up alternative? Things put in ip-up are not getting done
so I was wondering if there was another way to execute things when a ppp
connection is complete. All I want to put there is something like:
xterm -e mycommand &
So that I get an xterm window running mycommand on it when the network
connection is first made.
I heard things in ip-up might be getting done but because of....something to
do with security one never sees anying - which doesn't do me any good. I need
to see that spawned xterm in my face :)
Thanks,
-Tony
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Power User Page http://www.eskimo.com/~oak/pwr/
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From: "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: glibc 586 vs glibc 386
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 08:47:37 -0500
Probably optimization differences only. I would suspect that the configure
script they ran was on a penium for the i586 version. Either will probably
run, but the 586 will run faster on a pentium.
Tom Veldhouse
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Red Hat Linux User wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Can anyone tell me the difference between glibc-2.1.1-1.i586.rpm
>and glibc-2.1.1-1.i386.rpm? I queried the rpm of the 586 one but
>it didn't say anything about the differences from the 386 version.
>I have a P200 MMX. Can I use the 586 library (I should be able to
>since my computer is detected as an i586 PC).
>
>Regards,
>
>Mladen
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 07:11:37 -0400
> The fact that he was claiming that having the <home> key go to
> the beginning of the line was `intuitive' -- which it manifestly
> is not. I personally don't have a problem with switching key
> bindings among programs. I do have a problem with switching
> key bindings between OSs. That's primarily because [snip]
The argument is for a consistent set of conventions in an
application, GUI, OS, and even across platforms; it isn't
about the specific meaning of a key - I think you need to
look at the bigger picture here. I remember how pleased I
was when DOS/Windows-based software started switching from
the use of function keys for cut and paste to using Ctrl-X
and Ctrl-V, mirroring the keys used on the Mac (I assume
that's where it started, though it may have started
somewhere else).
Note that this is not a pro-Microsoft or pro-Mac or anti-
Linux argument - it's just an argument for better user-
oriented design, which requires the design to be more
consistent, both internally and with other software. Hence
my dismay at, say, the different ways of deleting a
character with vi depending on its origin. I do, however,
understand Linux's desire to implement all Unix utilities,
most of which are not intended for end-users.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen Anthony)
Subject: Has anyone successfully compiled ALSA 0.3.0pre5 ?
Date: 6 Apr 1999 15:03:34 GMT
Just wondering if anyone has compiled this successfully. If someone has compiled
the library 'libasound' on a GLIBC RH5.1 x86 system, could you send me the
library (for the version listed above).
I can compile the drivers and even insert the modules, but no sound is
played since the channels are muted by default. To unmute them, I have to use the
'alsactl' program. But I can't compile that program without libasound !!
The library cannot be compiled due to errors in configure. I have upgraded to the
latest versions of all programs (automake, aclocal, etc), but no go.
Any help would be greatly appreciated,
Steve
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From: Michael O'Malley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sound in Linux?
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 09:50:04 -0400
Forgive if this is not the place to ask this question. I have run
Slackware and Red Hat for quite a while and actually never bothered to
get sound working. I recently bought the $1.95 Linux Mandrake disk from
Linux Central ... great deal BTW. It has KDE on the disk and was a
breeze to install. Problem is, despite selecting sound in the setup, I
am getting none. "ps" shows the sound process running but nothing is
coming out (wav, mp3, nothing...) KDE is so cool (and I think really
could open up the desktop for Linux) that I feel compelled to get sound
going too in this install.
Anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks.
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From: Mykool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: New Microsoft News
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:38:59 -0400
Johan Kullstam wrote:
> one word: paragraphs
>
> --
> johan kullstam
I have two words for you: complete sentences!!!
--
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From: Technical Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: CD music....HELP!
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:08:28 -0400
also make sure that the audio cable from the cdrom to the soundcard is
secured as well!
:)
Mark
Ben Bos wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:47:51 -0500, Eric Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hello Folks!!!
> >
> >I need someone's help.
> >
> >My soundcard is working fine, I am running a P-166 /w Red Hat Linux 5.2
> >installed.
> >
> >I have OPL-SA3 intergrated sound card but can only configure it using
> >Sound Blaster drivers with the following configuration :
> >
> >IRQ=5
> >DMA=1 (at least one of the DMAs)
> >IO=220
> >
> >I can play wav files without a problems.....MIDIs too...
> >
> >Only one problem : I cannot play ANY audio CDs....they play all
> >right...but no music comes out of my speakers... Anyone have ANY tips?
> >
> >Thanks a whole bunch
> >
> >Eric
> >
>
> Try this:
>
> $ cd /dev
> $ ls -l cdrom
> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 Jan 26 02:43 cdrom -> hdc
>
> $ ls -l hdc
> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 22, 0 May 6 1998 hdc
>
> Have root give 'other' the same permissions to the device as 'user' and
> 'group',
>
> # chmod o+r+w /dev/hdc
>
> and see if this works for you.
>
> Cheers,
> Ben
> --
> ir. Berend Adam Bos
> Corporate Computer Systems
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From: Linda Sue Barton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: web server question and other
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:43:54 -0700
Howdy all,
I've successfully got Apache serving web pages from the specified root
directory (/home/httpd/html). I've tried to set up "user" accounts
underneath this level (such as /home/httpd/html/linda), and even given
them read and execute access for all, to the directories and the files.
I still get 403 forbidden errors when I try to view them. Any tips on
what I've not done?
Also, can anyone point me to a screen-shot capture program for Linux?
Thanks,
Linda
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From: Thomas Zajic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: BUS error - Netscape
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 12:31:34 GMT
Michael Perry wrote:
> What I have seen on two separate systems; one P166 80mb and one Dell
> Inspiron 7000 PII 366mhz, 128mb of mem, etc. I always get bus errors in
> netscape when I click on mailto:s but if I open the mail program first I
> dont. This is non-existant on Netscape Navigator 3.04. I get rock solid
> performance there. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
... except for pages with Java/JavaScript, at least for me. :-/ Try
going to http://www.planetquake.com/ramshackle with Java & JavaScript
enabled, and let me know if Netscape survives - it�s good old "Bus
Error" for me every time. :-(
Thomas
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From: Mykool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: New Microsoft News
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:37:32 -0400
> No, stuff would cost alot less because of *competition*. Look at what linux
> costs: next to nothing. That is the true market value of on OS, because
> software is so easy to reproduce.
Do you really think people would code for free all of the time? I don't
know about you, but I've noticed that a lot of linux apps are written by
students. I'm guessing they didn't do it for fun. Maybe they did it
for a class. I don't know how much you've programmed before, but it's
not fun. I have a little experience and I hated it. Let's just assume
that all software was free and people would code for free. Why would
people *pay* for classes that would teach them to do something for
free? I think not. And for the people that do program for free, I
thank you, but the vast majority of people won't.
> It's a totally bad thing when there's no choice. Everybody's needs are
> different. MS products may be good for some. They may be good for many. For
> for those who they are not good for, it is *totally* bad to not have a
> choice.
My whole arguement has been lost. I'm not pro-microsoft or
anti-microsoft. I just don't want to read anti-microsoft or
pro-microsoft stuff on a *LINUX* newsgroup. I'd rather read *LINUX*
stuff on a *LINUX* newsgroup. I know its a new concept, but I think it
could happen.
> People have a *right* to *know* when they are being traced in this way.
Once again, you didn't see my arguement. I'm all for anonomity and
privacy. If you wanna talk about "the right to know when they are being
traced" ask the government. How many times have you seen on TV when
they catch criminals because of *secret* phone taps. No one complains
about that. I know that is a bad analogy (making MS look like some good
guys), but it's the same principle.
> And *you* live up to your own standard: *you* be a damned adult and ignore it
> when some asshole posts some stupid "Microsoft Sux" stuff.
This goes back to this is a *LINUX* newsgroup!!! It is proper
netiquette to post relevant information pertaining to the group.
> Perry
The bad thing about trying to make any point to linux users about
microsft is that most are very narrow minded. Anything that has to deal
with MS is immediately deemed as being bad and to hurt consumers. If
you look at the larger picture, you would see that MS has lifted the
computer industry. It's ease of use and vast amount of software make
the average and below average computer user able to at least function.
Linux is not for everyone. I use Linux by choice, not because I don't
like Windows. Just because you don't like windows doesn't make it bad.
It's just not YOUR preference.
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Michael Barnhill
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From: **Nick Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: xdm working but no wm
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:10:22 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In Debian 2.1 (slink), X11 has been reorganised. If you are using the
X11 installation notes for Debian 2.0 (hamm), throw them away.
Debian should be starting xdm if you have installed the Debian xdm
package, which causes S99xdm to be created in /etc/rc<n>.d where n is
your runlevel (probably 2 or 3). First thing to do is determine your
runlevel, and look in /etc/rc<n>.d for links which look like they might
be starting window managers.
If you find S99xdm, make sure it isn't an obsolete version, or maybe
something replaced by your download of the latest X11.
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