Linux-Misc Digest #760, Volume #23 Sun, 5 Mar 00 17:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: User Shutdown ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: browser other than Netscape (Andrew Purugganan)
Tar useless for backups? (MH)
recovering lost file (Subita Sudershana)
Re: HELP - Install Linux on Last Partition of a 30 GB Hard Drive? ("Karel Venken")
Red Hat Kernel 6.1 vs 6.2-beta (Brian Dudek)
Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!! (Tim Hockin)
Re: Salary? (Tim Hockin)
Re: Salary? (Peter Morris)
Re: Salary? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Backup Strategy Question ("Bob Cent")
Re: Red Hat Kernel 6.1 vs 6.2-beta (Hal Burgiss)
Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!! (Paul Lew)
Re: Gentus linux locations (Eric Melville)
Cool hack of the month ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
process 'X' takes 60 MO ! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
parallel port problems (Paul Anderson)
Re: linux vs. NT4/2000 (Kenny McCormack)
Re: recovering lost file (Prasanth Kumar)
Re: Salary? (Pat Podenski)
Re: Tar useless for backups? (Kenny McCormack)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: User Shutdown
Date: 5 Mar 2000 20:09:53 GMT
Timo Benk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> how can I let a user shutdown the Computer from the Console? Shutdown,
> halt, etc. sais that only root can do that.
I am running RedHat 6.0. I can shutdown by pressing Ctrl-Alt-Del at
the login screen of a console. I don't even have to be logged in.
I have the following lines in my /etc/inittab file:
# Trap CTRL-ALT-DELETE
ca::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown -t3 -h now
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Purugganan)
Subject: Re: browser other than Netscape
Date: 5 Mar 2000 20:13:23 GMT
Yasuaki Kudo ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I recently switched to Linux from NT.
: Honestly, Netscape is not nearly as good as Internet Explorer. Is there any
: good alternative for Linux?
they've both become bloatware to the extent that M$ itself is developing
a 1-floppy friendly browser called 1x
but for linux u could try kfm (as suggested by some), it's getting there.
Opera is still alpha but it's coming
fast & furious? w3m heh
--
jazz annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
Registered linux user no. 164098-88940
Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 20:41:48 +0000
From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Tar useless for backups?
Recently, I attempted to restore a specific file from a tar file backup
of my home directory. Tar informed me the file did not exist. Sure
enough, when I generated a list the file was not displayed. I noticed
other files were missing as well.
I deleted the original tar file and recreated it with the verify switch
(-W). To my amazement, tar listed HUNDREDS of files as "does not
exist". Even more amazing, most of the files listed as missing DID IN
FACT EXIST in the tar file, though about a third were actually missing.
I did not receive any error messages.
What the hell is going on here?
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From: Subita Sudershana <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.misc
Subject: recovering lost file
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 12:54:08 -0800
Hi,
My computer rebooted accidentally while it was running linux yesterday
and when I rebooted the file system was corrupted. I ran 'fsck'
and this helped me start it again but the file I was working on
along with the directory was gone. I was reading the 'faq'
that was posted this morining and tried a 'grep -b 'string' /dev/hda'
on the partition but it says 'grep: memory exhausted'. I would
appreciate
any suggestions on recovering the file.
Thanks,
Rajnish
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From: "Karel Venken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware,linux.redhat.list
Subject: Re: HELP - Install Linux on Last Partition of a 30 GB Hard Drive?
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 21:32:24 +0100
If you have Windows 98, you can place a menu in the config.sys referring to
eg. windows and another entry to linux and boot in this case with loadlin
before you load any drivers and so on. Then you do not have to bother with
this 1024 cylinder limit. I use this for quite some time now. You can even
place a copy command in your config.sys so that you allways boot
automatically the last system you ran. Of course, if you have other
bootloaders this might interfere because then you might first need to select
Windows 98. (Eg. as far as I know, you can not boot Windows NT from within
Windows 98 as you can Linux)
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 13:49:54 -0700
From: Brian Dudek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Red Hat Kernel 6.1 vs 6.2-beta
Looking at the Beta of Red Hat 6.2 it included kernal version 2.2.15
Looking at www.kernel.org the most current stable version they list is
2.2.14.
Why? Is it a Red Hat customized kernel?
Brian
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From: Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!!
Date: 5 Mar 2000 20:56:24 GMT
Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Who makes a backup by hardlinking?
: Would you make a backup by hardlinking? You are aware of why that would
: be a bad thing(tm) and why it would then be a ridiculous thing for M$ to do
: automatically? :P
go back and read what I said - reference counts. As soon as one file
disappears/changes the other files still exist in their old format. If
your method of 'backup' is copying a file to another file, you are screwed
JUSt the same as the MS CoW method. Scenario:
UNIX:
you copy file foo to foo.bak
1) delete foo by accident? no problem
2) overwrite foo by accident? no problem
3) crash the disk? problem
MS CoW:
you copy file foo to foo.bak
1) delete foo by accident? no problem - reference counts
2) overwrite foo by accident? no problem - Copy-on-Write
3) crash the disk? problem
same semantics for what you dub a 'backup'.
--
Tim Hockin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This program has been brought to you by the language C and the number F.
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From: Tim Hockin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 5 Mar 2000 21:00:16 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Peter Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Having said that I'd guess that as you've left school and it's an
: admin job I'd go for about GB20K which would be about US$30K which
: works out at about ....oh dear, US$10.27/hr. Perhaps I have my sums
: wrong.
IT folk are underpaid in GB or overpaid in US :) Starting admin job in CA
40-60k, depending on experience (maybe more for high-power jobs) and
depending on stock options/benefits. less than 40 is crazy - especially in
California.
--
Tim Hockin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This program has been brought to you by the language C and the number F.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Morris)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:04:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I suggest 2 things:
1. Charge what you think you're worth in that job. US$20/hr? US$40/hr?
What? If you feel quite happy getting US$15/hr and then find that
you're being undervalued in this position as everyone is earning more
than you, I expect you'd be a little miffed. Am I right? And yet you
were quite happy to accept the US$15/hr in the first place. People are
so greedy.
2. Don't they tell you what they're prepared to give you and then you
negotiate from there?
Having said that I'd guess that as you've left school and it's an
admin job I'd go for about GB�20K which would be about US$30K which
works out at about ....oh dear, US$10.27/hr. Perhaps I have my sums
wrong.
PAM.
__________ [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________
>Sorry if this is OT for these forums, but I really don't know where
>to post a question like this... I find myself in the somewhat
>embarassing position of stepping into a job as a Linux administrator
>and having no idea of how much I should be asking for, in terms of
>salary. Vital stats:
>
>Experience: 4.5 years running production Linux and UnixWare servers for
>my college, while a student. Paid positions, but still student work. A
>about a year working for a pre-launch Internet start-up as an admin, and
>working as a PC Tech for a retail chain. I make about $10/hr at all of
>my jobs.
>
>The job: Southern California; running ~20 production and development
>servers for a high-profile operation; Linux x86 and Solaris SPARC
>platforms. It's a well-established multinational corporation operating
>well in the black.
>
>I'll be going into this job straight out of school, and if it works out
>(fingers crossed!) I'll likely be staying for a while; what they do is
>what I'm all about, and it looks like a perfect match for me. BUT...
>
>I don't want to short-change myself going in. In my (limited!)
>experience, you stand a much better chance of getting what's fair if you
>demand it at the onset; if you realize a year into the job that you're
>not making the market's wage, it's typically a lot more difficult to get
>a substantial raise, no?
>
>So... Any suggestions as to salary? I would greatly appreciate hearing
>from those who might have some insight into this. Now that Linux has
>finally started to pay off (been using it since SLS was "it" and never
>thought I'd see this level of penetration!) I find I don't know how much
>my Linux abilities should be compensated.
>
>Thanks!
>
>- Robert Nichols
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 5 Mar 2000 21:09:58 GMT
On Sun, 05 Mar 2000 16:44:20 GMT, Peter Morris wrote:
>Having said that I'd guess that as you've left school and it's an
>admin job I'd go for about GB�20K which would be about US$30K which
>works out at about ....oh dear, US$10.27/hr. Perhaps I have my sums
>wrong.
You do. $10/hr * $40 hrs/ week * 50 weeks/yr = $20k. Yeah, I only assumed
a 40hr week. If you're getting wages that you can beat by working in a
restaurant, you don't want to be working more than 40hrs a week.
You'll want $15/hr to get $30k/yr.
--
Donovan
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From: "Bob Cent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Backup Strategy Question
Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 12:51:58 -0800
Reply-To: "Bob Cent" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I have conceptually developed a backup strategy that would suit our lab's
fileserver, but I haven't worked out all the details or whether it is even
possible using Linux commands. I welcome your suggestions and criticisms.
Set up my Linux system with two ~20gb drives. I'll refer to them as primary
and secondary. My users will only store files on the primary drive and fill
it with no more than ~10gb of files. I will use the secondary drive as a
30-day backup device. Here's how...
Using cron nightly, I'd delete all files on the secondary drive that are 31
days old. Then copy any file on the primary drive, to the secondary drive
if the primary file was not found on the secondary drive or if the file on
the primary drive was newer than the file on the secondary drive.
I could not find all the Linux commands and options that would accomplish
this. Perhaps, one of you is more experienced than me and see a way to do
it, or maybe there is a utility that does what I need. Either way I am
eager to hear from you.
Granted this backup scheme is imperfect, but I'm mostly trying to protect
myself from disk failure while giving my users a bit of short-term deletion
protection. Please note that my users are responsible for backing up their
files, for long-term purposes, from their Macintosh.
Thanks....
_____________________________
Bob Cent
University of Washington
Box 357330
Seattle, WA 98195-7330
mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
voice: 206.543.1433
fax: 206.685.0305
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hal Burgiss)
Subject: Re: Red Hat Kernel 6.1 vs 6.2-beta
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:13:18 GMT
On Sun, 05 Mar 2000 13:49:54 -0700, Brian Dudek
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Looking at the Beta of Red Hat 6.2 it included kernal version 2.2.15
>Looking at www.kernel.org the most current stable version they list is
>2.2.14.
>
>Why? Is it a Red Hat customized kernel?
All Redhat kernels are 'customized'. They contain many, many patches.
Often these patches are later incorporated into the main kernel.
6.2b is using 2.2.15pre (beta) kernels. Supposedly, when 6.2 official is
out, 2.2.15 final will have been out, and will be the stock kernel.
--
Hal B
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew)
Subject: Re: Microsoft reinvents the wheel!!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:16:27 GMT
Tim Hockin wrote:
>........
>get it? They didn't do anything particularly STUPID, other than announcing
>this as a major advance in OS design a mere 25+ years after it was done the
>first time.
>
>THAT is what is funny.
>........
NO..THAT is how ms is (trying) to convince the feds and the public
(including some "journalists") that ms is continuing their "innovations"
and that disruptions of ms will endanger "technology innovations".
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From: Eric Melville <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gentus linux locations
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 13:21:29 -0800
i think every distro on the planet has support for ultra/66... seeing as
that support comes in the kernel.
-E
> Does anyone know of an alternative place to download this distribution
> than their homepage (www.gentus.com) which has a user limit of 20
> downloads. It's supposed to have uata66 support.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cool hack of the month
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:17:57 GMT
I sent a mail to a collegue of mine with the following information:
>Someone got Linux running inside IBM VM running on an s/390 mainframe.
>Impressive huh? Details at:
>http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/1532/1/
My sometime arrogant collegue responded with:
>Dude
>
>That is something very trivial. VM can run anything, including
>Windows! Is just a matter of housing it and creating a CP shell ....
I gotta believe there was more to it than that. Basically he was
indicating that anyone could do this quickly. I can't believe this is
true, and I think there was alot more to it that he says.
Am I correct?
Is there another forum that might better address this issue?
I already emailed to the Author with this same question and have not
yet recieved a response.
Thanks
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: process 'X' takes 60 MO !
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:41:42 -0500
Hello
When I run 'top', I can see that the process called
'X' takes about 20 MO of memory. After a while, let's say
a few hours, it takes 60 MO !!! That's anoying, since I
have only 64 MO ... Even if I close all the windows, It
still uses about 55 MO. What do you think about that ?
I have a K6-200 64 MO, with RH6.1, and I use Window Maker.
Thanks,
Sacha
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Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 15:37:43 -0600
From: Paul Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: parallel port problems
I've corrected several issues by upgrading to RH6.1 from RH5.2 One more
specific one though.
I've got an asus P-90 motherboard. I passed Y2K just fine with both of
them, one on linux and the other on 6.22/3.1
I've got a motherboard parallel port that linux can't see. I've also
disabled it and plugged in an ISA card in its place. Control-panel still
can't find it. I've moved it around on I/O and IRQ, I've pulled the
sound card, all the other cards are PCI and running fine: 3C905 x 2,
2940UW, and video.
I'm at my wit's end. Any ideas?
--
"No matter what you say,
No matter what you do,
You are annoying.
BOFH and proud!!"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack)
Subject: Re: linux vs. NT4/2000
Date: 5 Mar 2000 15:30:50 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Gerald Willmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 00, Andreas Szameit wrote:
>>
>> > does anybody know a source where I can get a serious
>> > comparasion/research/study between the operating systems?
>
>out of some newspaper:
>
>Gates said Windows 2000 was one of the most stable and
>cost-efficient pieces of software ever, citing independent lab
>results that showed the product had run for more than 90 days
>without crashing, compared to 5 days for Windows NT and two
>days for Windows 95.
More proof (as if such were needed) that Gates's entire marketting strategy
is "It sucks less than the junk we sold you last year".
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From: Prasanth Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.misc
Subject: Re: recovering lost file
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 21:54:21 GMT
Subita Sudershana wrote:
>
> Hi,
> My computer rebooted accidentally while it was running linux yesterday
> and when I rebooted the file system was corrupted. I ran 'fsck'
> and this helped me start it again but the file I was working on
> along with the directory was gone. I was reading the 'faq'
> that was posted this morining and tried a 'grep -b 'string' /dev/hda'
> on the partition but it says 'grep: memory exhausted'. I would
> appreciate
> any suggestions on recovering the file.
>
> Thanks,
> Rajnish
You might try searching the "lost+found" directory in that partition to
see if any of those might be it.
--
Prasanth Kumar
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Pat Podenski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Sun, 05 Mar 2000 13:44:19 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Try going to www.dice.com and search on "system administration". This
will give you some idea of what people are willing to pay for
experienced sys admins.
--
Thanks,
Pat Podenski
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jan Schaumann wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Sorry if this is OT for these forums, but I really don't know where
> > to post a question like this... I find myself in the somewhat
> > embarassing position of stepping into a job as a Linux administrator
> > and having no idea of how much I should be asking for, in terms of
> > salary. Vital stats:
> >
> > Experience: 4.5 years running production Linux and UnixWare servers for
> > my college, while a student. Paid positions, but still student work. A
> > about a year working for a pre-launch Internet start-up as an admin, and
> > working as a PC Tech for a retail chain. I make about $10/hr at all of
> > my jobs.
>
> I don't know one thing about the going salaries for sys-admins, but
> $10/hr is a rip-off in *any* job, I think.
>
> go and by the Sunday's edition of the New York Times. Look into the
> jobs-section and compare the salaries that are offered to sys-admins to
> get an idea.
>
> HTH,
>
> -Jan
>
> --
> Jan Schaumann
> http://jschauma-0.dsl.speakeasy.net/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack)
Subject: Re: Tar useless for backups?
Date: 5 Mar 2000 15:39:13 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Recently, I attempted to restore a specific file from a tar file backup
>of my home directory. Tar informed me the file did not exist. Sure
>enough, when I generated a list the file was not displayed. I noticed
>other files were missing as well.
>
>I deleted the original tar file and recreated it with the verify switch
>(-W). To my amazement, tar listed HUNDREDS of files as "does not
>exist". Even more amazing, most of the files listed as missing DID IN
>FACT EXIST in the tar file, though about a third were actually missing.
>I did not receive any error messages.
>
>What the hell is going on here?
Although the reasons are varied and complex, I agree with you that tar is
not a good mechanism for backups. One problem that I have definitely
experienced is tar failing to restore file permissions correctly.
I have had much better luck with cpio and I use cpio for everything.
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