Linux-Misc Digest #760, Volume #21 Sat, 11 Sep 99 05:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Absurd Linux mentality ! ("bowman")
Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution (Guy Macon)
Maximum Linux Mag (Charles M)
New Red Hat - fdisk gone? (Charles M)
Re: How do you pronounce Linux? ("bowman")
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (Albert Ulmer)
Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself (David Fox)
slackware Java1.2 (Daniel Ng)
Re: xfs on Redhat 6.0 ("R.K.Aa")
Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself (David Frantz)
Re: Stupid FTP Question (Adrian Hands)
Re: Can't start X-window after upgrading to XFree86-3.3.5 rpm (Adrian Hands)
Re: *nix vs. MS security
Re: Cannot find libstc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 (Adrian Hands)
Re: How do you pronounce Linux? (Adrian Hands)
Re: on board S3 Trio3D (Adrian Hands)
Re: CDR software for linux (Adrian Hands)
Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie (K. Bjarnason)
Re: Recommendation for Color Printer? (David Mitchell)
Linux with Zip 250 or Imation SuperDisks? ("Glasgow")
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From: "bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Absurd Linux mentality !
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:51:38 -0600
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:7rbefl$p6s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In summary: whereas M$win insults one by talking via 'cartoons',
> the 1950's method of 'communicating with the little man in the box
> via shorthand syntax' is absurdly outdated.
If you had had the joy of communicating to the little man with hardwired
backplanes, panel switches, cards, or paper tape you would properly
appreciate shorthand syntax.
Hell, I even alias a lot of stuff, because typing 'gvim' is too much work if
I can just type v, a couple of letters, and get command line completion.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Guy Macon)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.qnx,comp.sys.amiga.misc
Subject: Re: Amiga, QNX, Linux and Revolution
Date: 10 Sep 1999 20:39:31 PDT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Andrew Thomas) wrote:
>Recently, my BIOS clock got reset (year 2099) for no good reason.
>This caused Win98 to start breaking in odd ways. In my attempts to
>fix this, mostly by re-installing packages that I thought might have
>been corrupted by bad .dlls, things got progressively worse.
>Eventually I decided to re-install Win98, WHICH THE DOCUMENTATION
>ACTUALLY SUGGESTS! On about the third attempt to re-install, Win98
>trashed my entire partition table. This led to all 3 operating
>systems on the machine being trashed, and the eventual re-formatting
>and re-partitioning of the drive.
I finally got so tired of this kind of nonsense that I purchased
a number of removable hard drive rack/tray combinations. Now when
Win98 is running the hard drive containing QNX, the hard drive
containing Linux and hard drive containing NT are all several feet
away from the computer. Even Microsoft has trouble corrupting
other OS's when I do this.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles M)
Subject: Maximum Linux Mag
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:17:00 -0500
I just picked up a copy of Maximum Linux. I'm not that familiar with
their Maximum PC magazine, but the title sounded interesting. IU have,
however, a question for others who have seen this issue. Does it strike
you that it has a lot of errors? (Such as describing Red Hat and Suse as
both having fips as their only partitioning tool. Never used fips, but I
thought it was a repartitioning tool, what about Disk Druid and fdisk on
Red Hat, for instance?).
CMM
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles M)
Subject: New Red Hat - fdisk gone?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 23:17:54 -0500
Linux Weekly News (or maybe it was Slashdot) mentioned something about
trying out the beta of 6.1 and that it no longer had fdisk!!!! Say it
isn't so! Does anyone know if Red Hat is really removing this, the only
usable partitoning tool?
CMM
P.S. I kind of got down on Disk Druid when I realized that it would not
let me make a boot partiton over 1023 cylinders but fdisk would and, the
resulting install worked and booted just fine. The point being not that I
care that much about having a seperate boot partiton (a la Suse) or not,
but that the GUI decided for me what was best and would NOT let me
override it. How very MS of it. (I always thought that was a big
install downside to Suse in not having fdisk as an option).
Also, on a more practical level, the lowly, command line fdisk is the
only way to access to all kinds of speciality disk utilities that might
be required in a difficult situation. None of the GUIs have any such
capabilites, to my knowledge.
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From: "bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce Linux?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 21:57:04 -0600
otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Is it Lie-nux or Lynn-ux? I've heard it both ways.
Obviously, you've never configured the soundcard on RH5.2. About the tenth
time, "Hello, this is Linus Torvalds and I say 'Linux' 'Linux'" gets a bit
old.
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From: Albert Ulmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:30:47 GMT
> Someone who Albert Ulmer failed to properly attribute wrote:
> > Isn't it the Debian package manager?
> Albert Ulmer writes:
> > Indeed it is!
> dpkg is the Debian package manager. dselect is a front-end for it. =20
others
> are apt-get, console-apt, and gnome-apt.
Have mercy on a poor SuSE-user who is in the process of transitioning=20
to Debian. Hey, maybe you can tell me what to watch out for when using=20
kernel 2.2.x with Debian 2.1? I'd be grateful for any helpful hints.
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From: d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself
Date: 10 Sep 1999 21:58:24 -0700
Dave Newton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] took the lawyer's side and said:
> > You havent read the digital millennium copyright act. It provides
> > for criminal penalties if you even interfere with the normal
> > functioning of the software as determined by the copyright holder.
>
> Putting a law on the books doesn't mean anyone _cares_ about that law.
> I'll reverse-engineer as much as I want. If I sell something based on
> directly-lifted code, I would expect to be procescuted, otherwise I
> expect to be left alone.
How does what you expect enter into this? Putting a law on the books
means that whenever someone takes a fancy to putting you in jail for
breaking it, they probably will. What you "expect" is of little
importance.
--
David Fox http://hci.ucsd.edu/dsf xoF divaD
UCSD HCI Lab baL ICH DSCU
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From: Daniel Ng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: slackware Java1.2
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 22:25:39 -0700
I have downloaded java1.2 from blackdown, but it is not workable for my
slackware 4.0 box.
Is there a good version of java-1.2 for slackware? or a java1.1 with
swing component?
Thanks, Daniel
--
Life is like rowing, you keep going forward without looking back.
Daniel Ng
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From: "R.K.Aa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: xfs on Redhat 6.0
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:20:07 GMT
Err... isn't it mentioned in the same "newfontsystem" whitepaper you
yourself quoted from earlyer?
K.
Hal Burgiss wrote:
> Well, I solved my problem. From what I can tell, X uses the FontPath as
> defined in /etc/X11/XF86Config, this regardless of what is in
> /etc/X11/fs/config or whatever font server config file there is. When I
> upgraded, my FontPath was the same from previous version. Once I changed
> it to 'unix/:-1' and commented out the old FontPath, restarted xfs and
> then restarted X, I finally had true type. This may be documented
> somewhere, but it's sure hard to find.
--
Step by step guide to TrueType fonts under RedHat6:
http://home.powertech.no/rkaa/Linux_and_tv.html#ttf
To E-mail, delete "spam"
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From: David Frantz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Figure Out The MS Source Code Yourself
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:43:20 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ken Witherow wrote:
> David Frantz wrote:
> > organizations, to restrict what you can listen to. The FCC was also
> > just recently forced to change its Cell Phone regulations to require Cell
> > Phone companies to provide tracking capabilities. This is so Big
> > Brother will always know were you are.
>
> No it's not... It's so, uh, they can, uh, find your phone if it's
> stolen. Yeah... that's it. :)
I'm glad thats cleared up. I thought it might be a way to get targeting
info for thoose smart bombs. :) :) :) :)
dave
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Stupid FTP Question
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:47:32 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Orpheus wrote:
>
> I went to the Redhat support site with the Netscape browser, and when
> I found the file I wanted to download, netscape simply read it as a
> text file rather than implement FTP download.
>
> I figured I might download via Netscape in windoze and simply move the
> file over to my linux box, but wouldn't you know it, windoze Netscape
> thinks a *.rpm file is a real-media plug in or something, and tries to
> "play" it.
>
> good grief.
>
> so I figure I'll just ftp the file the old fashioned way, but I can't
> make a connection to ftp redhat either via ftp in linux (wu-ftp) or
> ftp in windoze (ws-ftp, an otherwise excellent program).
>
> My guess is that this has more to do with redhat than anything else,
> becaues ftp works fine otherwise. is there some secret to logging on
> to redhat ftp that I don't know about?
>
> Thanks for your help
As someone else suggested, you need to right-click or shift-left-click
on the link to download.
Also: the reason you're having trouble connecting with the command line
ftp clients is most likely that the site is too busy.
Try using one of the mirrors listed at
http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't start X-window after upgrading to XFree86-3.3.5 rpm
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 02:04:13 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ed Flinn wrote:
> Running Red Hat 5.1, I have no solution, but additional symptoms. In
> /var/log/messages:
>
> pam[3541]: unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_console.so)
> pam[3541]: [dlerror: /lib/security/pam_console.so: cannot open shared
> object file: No such file or directory]
> pam[3541]: adding faulty module: /lib/security/pam_console.so
>
> As the messages suggest, there is no /lib/security/pam_console.so
You need to install the pam RPM.
You can get it from any of the sites listed at
http://www.redhat.com/mirrors.html
But it needs glib 1.2 and glibc 2.1, so it might be a good time to
upgrade to RH6.0 ?
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: *nix vs. MS security
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 05:31:14 GMT
Linux is more secure. Just look how many windows security paches there are
for download. I have a dual-boot and I've had to download a bunch of
security updates for Window ( not to metion Y2K paches and bug fixes).
acer00
Christopher Lu wrote:
>
> I'm taking a class on operating systems. During the last class, the
> instructor mentioned that *nices are less reliable and less secure than
> Microsoft OS's. His reasoning is that because *nices (espeically linux)
is
> free and everyone has access to it, it's less secure. Random people can
> hack into a *nix system easier because they can figure out the interrupts
> and stuff, since it's a free OS.
>
> I questioned the fact that the majority of servers on the internet use
some
> flavor or *nix. He answered saying that only small size companies use
*nix.
> Everyone else uses something more secure (he meant MS I'm assuming).
>
> I wanted to know what everyone here thinks about this. I'm a firm
believer
> thatn *nix is a very stable, secure system. Granted I haven't had a
whole
> lot of experience dealing with *nix but everything I've seen/read/heard
has
> led me to that conclusion. But being naive when it came to *nix I was
> unable to counter my instructor with anything substantial.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cannot find libstc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:44:03 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I am running Suse 6.0 distribution of Linux and wanted to install Code
> Crusader and Code Medic.
> The installation of Code Medic failed saying that one of the library
> was missing. The library is libstc++-libc6.1-1.so.2. I checked on my
> CDs but haven't been able to find it.
>
> Does anyone have any idea in which rpm package I can find this library?
>
> Thank you very much in advance.
>
> Bertrand Sirodot.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
/usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 is part of the egcs-c++ package.
Are you SURE you don't have it ?
Check /usr/lib.
Note that you have a typo above - missing "d" in "libstdc++".
If you DO have it, and it's still complaing about it being missing,
try running ldconfig to rebuild the ld.so.cache
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do you pronounce Linux?
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:56:30 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
With great reverence.
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: on board S3 Trio3D
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:55:53 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
scmpoper wrote:
>
> hello:
> I have a built-in S3 Trio3D with 2M vedio adaptor on board ,and try to
> run X with 16 bits color but failed, only got 8 bits. Any solution for
> this??
> I am using IBM 300GL PII 350,and ReaHat 6.0
> Many thank.....
Yes, upgrade to XFree86 3.3.4 or 3.3.5.
Use the XF86_SVGA driver.
The one on your original distribution disk is 3.3.2 and won't work with
the S3Trio3D, but 3.3.4 will - I'm using it on my Trio3D equipped ibm at
work. RedHat has 3.3.5 on their "updates" site now, but last I checked
it wasn't on the mirrors yet. You can grab 3.3.4 from www.xfree86.org.
All I did was download the single binary (SVGA) and tweak my XF86Config
and haven't had any trouble, but I guess if you want guaranteed
stability you better grab the whole package.
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From: Adrian Hands <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CDR software for linux
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 01:50:42 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Couch, George (EXCHANGE:CAR:SC11)" wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of any software for linux that allows me to write audio
> CDR's, which is user-friendly? So far I've only found programs where
> I have to enter in a long, complicated command with alot of switches.
> Isn't there anything for X-Windows that has a nice user interface?
>
> Thanks!
> George Couch
Use one of the GUI front-ends if you want, but, actually I find the
command line isn't all that long:
$ cdrecord -audio *.wav
and I think you can even leave out the "-audio"...
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From: K. Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: General Rant from a Linux Newbie
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 00:02:18 -0700
In article <7rc27j$3rp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> K. Bjarnason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [snips]
> >
> > In article <7r7bhp$coc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> >
> > > Repeat after me: A CD is not a vinyl record. A CD is not a vinyl
> > > record. A CD is not a vinyl record.
> >
> > Nope; and the former is more user-friendly than the latter. Smaller,
> > easier to store, less prone to sound degradation from scratching.
>
> It's also superior technology, which also goes hand in hand with "more
> user-friendly."
I'm pondering that.
"I have here a word processor. It's a monolithic application, which
means if I want to use a new dictionary or thesaurus with it, I have to
wait for the next version. However, all aspects of it follow a common
interface, meaning I don't have to learn 3 different sets of commands to
use 3 different aspects. Also, it installed as a single unit."
Compared to:
"I have here a word processor. Well, no, I don't, really. What I have
is a framework which allows me to *define* a word processor. That is, I
can link the editing functions to program X, the spell check to program
Y and the thesaurus to program Z. This allows me great configurability.
However, I didn't install it as a single unit. The various components
all have their own interfaces. I have to understand how to link those
pieces together before I can even use the tool."
The one is, obviously, more powerful - hence, supposedly, "superior".
However, it is less usable to the typical PC user. Of course, if we
define "superior" as "typical-PC-user-friendly" then we have a different
"winner".
It seems that most of the *nix crowd comes from the "Configurability and
customizability is paramount; if I have to spend a week reading the docs
just to run it, so be it." The typical Windows user is more along the
lines of "Dammit; I don't _want_ to take a course to run a word
processor; I just want to _run_ it."
Both approaches have their pluses and minuses - but don't expect the big
market to adopt the former any time soon.
> And on the flip side, Linux GUIs are getting more sophisticated, just
> like a modern car has a much more sophisticated interface than the Model
> Ts of yesteryear. I for one am not sure that I *want* a clone of the
> Windows GUI on the Next big Thing, be it Linux or FreeBSD or something
> else entirely.
There seems to be a blind spot in *nix user thinking. They seem to
think that to be as user friendly as Windows - in terms of the typical
end-user, not the system hacker - that it has to *be* Windows.
Apparently, they're so focused on Windows that they are unable to
comprehend any other view of things.
Are you really so limited in your ability to even _conceptualize_ that
you cannot conceive of a platform, an interface, that's as friendly as
Windows without looking like it?
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From: David Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Recommendation for Color Printer?
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 20:09:33 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Flash
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Hi everyone,
>
>I am finally ditching the Epson 9-pin Dot Matrix, and am looking for a
>modern, color printer for a replacement.
>
>Printers are the periphials that I am least knowledgable about.
>
>I have seen several sub-$200 color inkjet printers at the local Office
>Depot, but I have no idea which one will run on my workstation, which is:
>
>Pentium 200 - Linux 2.0.36 - based on Redhat 5.2
>
>Can anyone recommend a good-quality, color printer, which works very
>well with RH 5.2, preferably around $250 or under. It will just be for
>personal use, maybe 100 or 200 pages monthly.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>--
Can't recommend one; but sure can dis-commend the Epson Stylus Color
500.
Worst printer I've ever had.
--
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David Mitchell ===== A life spent making mistakes is not only
================================ more honourable but more useful than a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ===== life spent doing nothing. - GBS
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From: "Glasgow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux with Zip 250 or Imation SuperDisks?
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:52:48 GMT
Hello,
Will Linux successfully recognise and use either of the following?
1) IOMega ZIP 250MB
2) Imation SuperDisk LS-120
I ask because I am going to buy a backup drive at the weekend and need to be
able to buy the right one. I realize that Linux is able to use the Zip100
version of the drive, but I wondered about the 250 version. If not that,
then I hoped it would be able to use the Imation SuperDisk which gives me
20MB more than the Zip100.
My distribution of Linux is SuSE 6.2, latest one.
Thanks.
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