Linux-Misc Digest #47, Volume #19 Mon, 15 Feb 99 08:13:10 EST
Contents:
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: ATI 3D Rage IIc - Getting on my tits! ("Jim Orfanakos")
Re: Advanced RAM usage question... (jaim)
Re: How can I make my linux machine beep with internal speaker? (Gerd Roethig)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Paul Flinders)
Re: simple shell script q? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SCIOCADDRT: Invalid Argument.... HELP (Anthony Campbell)
Re: Feasible LILO config? (John Thompson)
Re: Modem init woes ( ezppp?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: more than 16 SCSI disks ? (Ben Russo)
Re: gnome/enlightenment/KDE (Conan Heiselt)
How to print to a file (Knut Bergstrom)
Re: Newbie Problem with ./configure (John Garrison)
Re: Newbie Problem with ./configure (John Garrison)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:59:08 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kinkster) wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:48:17 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mayor Of R'lyeh)
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 22:56:01 -0800, David Masterson
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> chose to bless us all with this bit of
> >wisdom:
> >
> >>David Kastrup wrote:
> >>> While I don't think (as some) that Microsoft should be forced to ship
> >>> Netscape as well at the option of Windows customer, they *should* be
> >>> forced to make all necessary information for doing that publically
> >>> available so that Netscape as well as other browser vendors have a
> >>> chance to compete with Internet Explorer on Windows. And this should
> >>> be controlled tightly to ensure they don't hide important APIs, making
> >>> the task more or less undoable for people not into the secret.
> >>
> >>Here's an idea. If you grant that Microsoft has a (near-)monopoly in
> >>OS, then, as a remedy, why not remove that monopoly in a way that keeps
> >>the government out of the computer OS business and maintains open
> >>competition. My idea would be to give control of the OS over to 3 (or
> >>more) separate companies (one of which may be owned by MS) and have
> >>those companies compete with each other. In other words, each would
> >>have a complete copy of the OS (and the engineering know-how to support
> >>it). To differentiate themselves, they would then have to move their
> >>copy of the OS in new and innovative ways. Yet, they would have the
> >>engineering knowledge to incorporate innovations from the other
> >>companies into their copy of the OS. In so doing, they would open up
> >>new opportunities for getting into the MS-Windows universe.
> >
> >
> >And is this going to be done voluntarily? If the government forces
> >such a move then guess what? You've still got government intrusion
> >into the OS area. It took government about 25 years to get into
> >regulating automobiles under ythe guise of safety before they started
> >becoming draconian; even to the point of mandating 'safety' devices
> >that they knew would kill and injure people.
>
> Such as radio knobs that prior to govmt regulations protruded enough
> so that they'd puncture your skull in an accident, steering columns
> that didn't collapse but impaled the drivers, doors that flew open in
> an accident, and the list of "industry" safety devices goes on
> ........ Maybe the government should get out of safety regulations for
> Airlines too ?? You take the first Value Jet minus government
> regulation. Maybe the government should also get out of trying to
> provide for safe meat and food products too , I hope you wind up with
> the first E.Coli or Listeria Burger.
>
Typical drivel.....
It's been shown that the trends towards safer workplaces, cars, airlines,
etc... already existed before government regulation. In fact, in some cases
the trends slowed when regulation appeared. You won't hear that in the news,
or course, because that would be a plus for those of us who want less
government and more independence.
> > I doubt that it would
> >take that long before they made a total cluster fuck of the computer
> >industry.
> >Why not just wait a few years and let the market take care of things?
> >It works slower but it works much, much better.
> >
> >
> >"That is not dead which can eternal lie,
> > And with strange aeons even death may die."
> >- Abdul Alhazred, Necronomicon
>
>
Jason Baugher
Extreme Systems Consulting
Systems Administration, Custom Programming
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From: "Jim Orfanakos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: ATI 3D Rage IIc - Getting on my tits!
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:16:02 -0500
I have it working on my RedHat 5.1 using SVGA server. There is a slight
screen flutter on the right side when I move my mouse in that area.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7a7mmc$7mm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello!
>
> I wonder if anyone can help me? I've just got this nice new machine with
an
>ATI 3D Rage IIc graphics card (Mach64GT, Internal DAC Type) and can I get
it
>to run XFree under RedHat 5.2 (apollo)?
>
> Can I heck.
>
> Whatever options I try, I get a lovely screen which is fine
vertically-wise,
>but there are 4 repeated images horizontally.
>
> All I ask is for 1024x768 in 8bpp on my ADI Microscan 5P. My previous
card
>(Expercolor DSV) worked fine so I know that it isn't monitor settings that
are
>screwy, just the card ones.
>
> If anyone has sucessfully got one of these cards running then please
could
>you let me know because I'm dammed if I know how. If possible I'd
appreciate
>it if you could email me at:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove the Z's)
>
>since I don't check these newgroups as often as I do my mail.
>
>Thanks!!
>
>Rich.
>
>
>
>
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From: jaim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Advanced RAM usage question...
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 03:29:52 -0800
Joel Sloan wrote:
>
> "news.rogers.ca" wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just added an additional 48 megs of RAM to my slackware Linux system
> > and after a week of usage I have 5 megs free (when I run "free" I see this)
> > and 45 Megs in Buffers.
> >
> > My question is, what do those buffers do and should I be worried that I
> > have a running program with a memory leak? After all I only have 5 megs
> > free... I was expecting to see 45 megs free.
>
> Free memory is a waste. Linux will use whatever memory it finds for the disk
> buffer cache. If that memory was instead just sitting around doing nothing, it
> would be as brain dead as windoze!
>
> If you start a memory hogging program (say, netscape) Linux will take some ram
> away from the buffer cache and use it for netscape. quit netscape, and you
> should see a bunch of free memory, which will eventually get re-used for the
> disk buffer cache if it doesn't get used somewhere else...
>
>
Yep. Linux will always use ram before disk for resource allocation for
processes.
Thus one of the major reasons linux is so fast.
Jaim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gerd Roethig)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: How can I make my linux machine beep with internal speaker?
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:36:19 GMT
Hello,
On Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:33:06 +0100 Klaus Kocheisen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Anthony Pioli schrieb:
>>
>> If a beep is all you want:
>>
>> print "\a";
>>
>> Anthony
>Looks like you didn't read the message of Tobias thoroughly. He wrote,
>that his script beeps happily if run at the console or a terminal but
>not within a cron job. The reason why it's not beeping is that cron is a
>daemon and thus, any job run by cron runs (like cron itself) without a
>controlling terminal. Therefore, any data written to stdout or stderr
>goes to nirvana.
So maybe it helps if output of the script is redirected to something
like /dev/console in the commandline invoked by crond?
I mean a line like
/where/your/script/is/testscript > /dev/console
or
/where/your/script/is/testscript 2> /dev/console
if you want to catch output to stderr.
Just a suggestion, but I am interested in the results, too :).
Cheers
Gerd
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From: Paul Flinders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 15 Feb 1999 11:48:37 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> It's been shown that the trends towards safer workplaces, cars, airlines,
> etc... already existed before government regulation. In fact, in some cases
> the trends slowed when regulation appeared. You won't hear that in the news,
> or course, because that would be a plus for those of us who want less
> government and more independence.
That would be why Ford decided it would be cheaper to pay accident
victims compensation than to design a safer car?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: simple shell script q?
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:39:58 GMT
just type what you want:
echo "1st line
2nd line"
When you hit the enter key in the first line, it will drop you to your second
prompt (whatever is in PS2). Try it, it works.
In article <7a2jio$5ut$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charles Mulks) wrote:
>
> what is the newline sequence in a shell script?
>
> eg
>
> echo "1st line\n2nd line"
>
> I'm trying to do something like the following, but in a single statement.
>
> echo "1st line"
> echo "2nd line"
>
> It *doesn't* seem to be \n (which simply prints an 'n')
>
> FWIW - I've been browsing O'Reilly's "Learning the BASH Shell"
> for the last half hour or so and can't find an answer.
>
> Feeling Stupid & TIA
> Charlie Mulks
>
>
Jason Baugher
Extreme Systems Consulting
Systems Administration, Custom Programming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Campbell)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: SCIOCADDRT: Invalid Argument.... HELP
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 10:49:32 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:22:10 +1300, Enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Have you looked at the source? I had this problem, but my notebooks
>don't say how I got rid of it. I have a vague recollection that it
>was a simple config problem, so check for leading hashes in your
>rc. files! Do you use modules, and is the correct module activated
>at boot time? Are you sure the card still works?
>
>Cliff
>
>Nobody wrote:
>>
>> Thanks.... but it didn't seem to work for me. I have noticed
>> that I get the same error immediately following the appletalk
>> 0.17 line on bootup.
>> Any other suggestions???
>>
In debian (hamm), the answer is to modify /etc/init.d/network; just comment
out "route add -net 127.0.0.0". I believe this is now included in the
kernel.
Anthony
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Anthony Campbell - running Linux Debian 2.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.achc.demon.co.uk
"The Moving Finger writes; and, having writ,
Moves on..." - Edward Fitzgerald (Rubaiat of Omar Khayyam)
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From: John Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Feasible LILO config?
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 21:06:53 -0600
Klaus Bernpaintner wrote:
>
> I have an IDE drive and a SCSI drive. The IDE has NT on it, the SCSI has Linux.
> Ever since Linux installation I have used a boot disk to boot Linux, but now I
> want to boot directly from the hard drive.
>
> Is this even possible with my current configuration?
> I mean, if I keep the kernel and root on the SCSI, will LILO find them?
>
> I don't want to touch the NT bootsector so I want to use the scheme outlined in
> http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/HOWTO/mini/Linux+NT-Loader.html
>
> In my attempts so far, during boot time the system panics and says "VFS: Cannot
> open root device 08:06"
I have an EIDE drive with bootable Win95 and OS/2 partitions
and an SCSI drive with an OS/2 data partition and linux
swap, boot, etc. partitions. Lilo is installed in the boot
sector of the linux root partition on the SCSI drive. Using
OS/2 Boot Manager I can select the linux partition, lilo
comes up and I can select a linux kernel to boot.
Thus I suspect it ought to be possible with your setup
although I can't say with certainty that the NT boot sector
won't need to be changed.
--
-John ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Modem init woes ( ezppp?)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 11:12:01 GMT
hi there
yeah i think its a init string problem, I went to the 3com website
and looked around but didnt find anything on the subject of strings,
but ill go back and look again, thanks for the help
On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:56:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Walter Strong)
wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> : hi there
>
> : no winmodem , if i try different com,cua ports it wont even recognize
> : the modem , so i have the right port, it just doesnt seem to do
> : anything except say expecting ok, then i see the atz come up in the
> : debug screen, i'm stumped?
>
>
>
> : On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:19:11, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> : > hi there
> : >
> : > linux suse 5.1 is up and running users created, ezppp,netscape
> : > installed,
> : > 56k U.S. Rob int voice modem doesnt seem to start, ezppp starts i hit
> : > connect i here modem pick up i see atdt in window then it says
> : > expecting OK and basically stops , nothing else happens. Then i shut
> : > it down after awhile, anyone have any ideas, modem init strings
> : > maybe???
> : >
> : > thanks
>
>
> If it is an init string problem USR's webpage will give you init strings
> for their various products. I would guess that it's an init problem as
> what you describe is exactly what happened to me until I got the string
> right.
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: more than 16 SCSI disks ?
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 15:51:18 -0500
Alexandre Maret wrote:
> hello
>
> I've just added 3 new disks to my system. It now correctly detects
> 17 SCSI disks, on 3 ncr53c810. My problem has to do with the
> SCSI devices numbering scheme. It currently allows space for 16
> disks containing 16 partitions. The question is, is there an easy way
> to access my 17th disk ?
>
> kernel version is 2.0.x... may upgrade to 2.2.x if needed...
>
> thanks in advance
>
> alex
Two things to consider here, one is the major/minor numbers on the
device names, could be that you just have to create the right device
files,
also, you may have to look at the SCSI driver kernel source.
Try posting messages in a more specific newsgroup, like
comp.os.linux.hardware
or look at the source for the driver of your SCSI card, the e-mail
address of the
source code author is probably in there.
-Ben.
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From: Conan Heiselt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: gnome/enlightenment/KDE
Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:23:08 -0700
I use Caldera's OpenLinux (it got given to me on the condition that I'd
use it--I had RedHat before). After I log in, I can either type in "kde"
to start KDE or "startx" to start whatever my default WM is in my .xinitrc
file.
So, yes, you can have several at once. I do think though, that if you use
more than one non-KDE WM you might need to personall edit you .xinitrc
file unless it does so automatically (like when you switch from AfterStep
to fmwm, etc.)
good luck.
BTW. I really liked Enlightenment when I tried it about three releases
ago, but got a bit frustrated at times. I'm sure it's much easier now,
I'll have to give it another go.
conan.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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"A thousand gold pieces don't matter--
what counts is the strength of feeling"
-Bao Zhao-
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From: Knut Bergstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to print to a file
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:38:57 +0100
Need help
printing a textfile with lpr
i must change my /etc/printcap
so my reports don't go to a printer
instead to a directory, so i could pick my printouts
there and import them to database Mysql
the parameter in printcap
:lp= > /opt/files/$$.txt
this don't work
How should i do to get this working ?
Knut
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From: John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie Problem with ./configure
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:08:45 GMT
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Here is everybody's first C program and instructions to compile it with.
I am also posting this to the group because the file is very small and
somebody
else said they were having problems.
1) Save the file to a directory
2) change to that directory
3) type 'gcc -O hello.c -o hello'
note that you can leave out the -O (the capital one) becaue this program
doesn't need
optimizations, but most do so its best to test GCC with it on.
If there are no error messages (there won't be unless GCC is really
broke) it will create an
executable file called 'hello'
However ./configure is claiming GCC is broke so it should complain about
something. Maybe you
don't have some of the libraries that you should have?
Anyhow tell me whether or not there are error messages if there are
maybe I can help, and if there
aren't we'll keep looking for the problem.
Shadowspawn wrote:
>
> John Garrison wrote:
>
> > Have you tried compiling a program with GCC (as opposed to with make).
> > Just write a small program and try to compile it. GCC should give you
> > some error messages telling you why it is not working. If you don't
> > know how to write C code or use GCC then let me know and I will email
> > you a small program and shell script to compile it with GCC.
> > Either way after you try it either post the messages GCC gives you and
> > let the group help or email them to me and I'll try to help.
> >
>
> I don't know how to program yet just trying to get used to the os first
> then I'll be getting into the programming stuff so please send me some code
> with instructions on how compile it and I'll give a whirl
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#include <stdio.h>
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{
printf("Hello, World!\n");
}
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From: John Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Newbie Problem with ./configure
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 13:10:56 GMT
oops, on my newsreader it just inlined the program, so you'll have to
open kwrite or emacs or whatever plain text editor you want and the copy
and paste the program into it and save it as 'hello.c'
let me know if you have any problems
John Garrison wrote:
>
> Here is everybody's first C program and instructions to compile it with.
> I am also posting this to the group because the file is very small and
> somebody
> else said they were having problems.
>
> 1) Save the file to a directory
> 2) change to that directory
> 3) type 'gcc -O hello.c -o hello'
>
> note that you can leave out the -O (the capital one) becaue this program
> doesn't need
> optimizations, but most do so its best to test GCC with it on.
>
> If there are no error messages (there won't be unless GCC is really
> broke) it will create an
> executable file called 'hello'
>
> However ./configure is claiming GCC is broke so it should complain about
> something. Maybe you
> don't have some of the libraries that you should have?
>
> Anyhow tell me whether or not there are error messages if there are
> maybe I can help, and if there
> aren't we'll keep looking for the problem.
>
> Shadowspawn wrote:
> >
> > John Garrison wrote:
> >
> > > Have you tried compiling a program with GCC (as opposed to with make).
> > > Just write a small program and try to compile it. GCC should give you
> > > some error messages telling you why it is not working. If you don't
> > > know how to write C code or use GCC then let me know and I will email
> > > you a small program and shell script to compile it with GCC.
> > > Either way after you try it either post the messages GCC gives you and
> > > let the group help or email them to me and I'll try to help.
> > >
> >
> > I don't know how to program yet just trying to get used to the os first
> > then I'll be getting into the programming stuff so please send me some code
> > with instructions on how compile it and I'll give a whirl
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> #include <stdio.h>
>
> main()
> {
> printf("Hello, World!\n");
> }
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