Linux-Misc Digest #47, Volume #20 Mon, 3 May 99 21:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Re: Question ("J�rgen Exner")
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux? (Dara Hazeghi)
Re: Telnet Login as ROOT (Christopher Mahmood)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^ (Chris Costello)
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (Chris Costello)
Re: [solved] Re: how do i detect if x is running? (Ewan Dunbar)
Re: Trouble connecting to ISP using PPP (Internet Real Estate)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Phil Hunt)
Re: [SURVEY] Who has an internal modem in his linux box ? (Amit Chakradeo)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Phil Hunt)
Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) ("Joshua E.
Rodd")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) ("Joshua E.
Rodd")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) ("Joshua E.
Rodd")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Phil Hunt)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 11:27:08 -0700
On Mon, 03 May 1999 10:57:48 -0700, Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ed Avis
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I think it's fairly clear that if software copyrights were abolished,
>> all software would become free software.
>snip
>> Combine that with
>> the fact that your competitors will likely be offering source, and it
>> seems likely that abolition of copyrights on software would produce
>> nearly 100% free software.
>
>Do people really think that if copyrights went away the software
>industry would shrug their shoulders and start giving it away for free?
>
>If software copyrights were abolished the industry would simply and
>easily take matters into their own hands. They would push hard for
>copy protection to be rolled into the hardware. They would require
>downloading of "tokens" from the net to allow software to work etc.
>
>People would scream. There would be talk of boycotts. It would all
>come to nothing because most people want to run the latest version of
>whatever more than they care about copy protection. Those who control
>the software (I avoid the word "own") get to decide how it's used.
>
>Today copyrights are a cheap way to provide some measure of protection.
>If they go away, the cost of protection will go up, the venders will
>pay for it, and they will pass those extra costs onto us.
>
>Watch what you wish for, it may come to pass.
>
>Oh well....
We already went through that with games. Some of you Steinberg
customers may also have fond memories of dongles. Formal
copyright protection doesn't really buy that much. People still
see an making extra copy of appfoo as a near zero cost process
and intuitively devalue that software and pirate away.
--
Microsoft subjected the world to DOS until 1995. |||
A little spite is more than justified. / | \
In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 16:46:02 -0700
Reply-To: "J�rgen Exner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Rizwan Syed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7gi39o$9fl$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[...]
> Ok.. here's the actual question I had, I guess I'm going to have to be a
> little more specific. Is it possible to 'hide' a user so that other
users
> don't know he exists? So that it doesn't show up under /home/ and
doesn't
> show up under /var/spool/mail/ ??? I want those files to be hidden so
that
> only root can see, but noone else can. Is that possible?
Very simple: a directory is a file like any other.
You do not want users to read the content of the directory, so simply remove
the read permission of the directoy.
In your case:
chmod go-r /home
chmod go-r /var/spool/mail
jue
--
J�rgen Exner
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From: Dara Hazeghi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 17:01:51 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FM wrote:
> I will attend a college this fall that is predominantly
> Mac-oriented. While they state that Unix and Windows are
> supported by the campus network, it seems that a Macintosh-
> compatible system might be necessary to fully take
> advantage of the system. For example, many softwares are
> written for Macintosh by the faculty, the letter for last
> year's computer purchase recommendation notes. I'm a little
> disgruntled, as I have been planning on getting a Linux
> system for college. So here are a couple of options I have:
>
> 1. Just buy a X86 machine and install Linux on it (if not
> preinstalled). Get some Mac-emulation software if necessary.
>
> The problem I have with this option is that I have no idea
> about the availability of Mac-emulation softwares for Linux
> nor the degree of compatibility they provide.
There are no real good Mac-emulation software available. Both Executor
and vMac are O.K. for some old programs, but if your school is heavily
Mac, you will need something that can run PowerPC apps, and at the
moment, only a real Mac will do.
>
>
> 2. Buy a Macintosh and dual boot with Linux/MacOS
>
> Well I think this is a nice compromise but I'm not sure how
> well Linux runs on Macintosh. I'm fairly sure that it will
> be an improvement over Windows/MacOS, but I'm not even sure
> if most Linux softwares are available for this setup (or if
> it's generally source-level compatible).
Linux runs pretty well on Macintosh. Much of the Linux software is
source compatible with PowerPC. As someone who uses LinuxPPC and
Linux/X86 on a daily basis I realize that it's a pain sometimes having
to compile your things but on the whole LinuxPPC is a pretty good
proposition. Also, there is a project to run MacOS under LinuxPPC called
SheepShaver (www.sheepshaver.com) and if it works, you'll be able to run
Mac apps from a MacOS window in Linux. Good Luck.
Dara Hazeghi
>
>
> I think my doubts stem mostly from my lack of knowledge
> about the Macintosh systems, which I've used before but
> never administered. Are these the only options I have
> considering that I want to use Linux and remain compatible
> with Mac at the same time? Any additional information
> would be apprecited. Thanks in advance.
>
> Dan.
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From: Christopher Mahmood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Telnet Login as ROOT
Date: 03 May 1999 03:57:32 -0700
well, it's only a little bit better than telnetting and su-ing to root.
our campus is so overrun with packet sniffers running on windows
it's scarry.
-ckm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)^
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 00:38:08 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 1999 22:44:03 GMT, Chris Costello <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <01be95af$00376b80$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, FM wrote:
> >> Bill Bonde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Is it wrong to keep software proprietary?
> >>
> >> If openness of software is one's object, yes.
> >> GPL does protect what it's supposed to protect.
> >
> > But you people ('you' being those who insist everything be
> >open) need to understand that Unix isn't only about free
> >software, no matter how much you think it is. Linux probably is.
> >but it's not the general goal of Linux.
> >
> > What real arguments are there against closed or proprietary
> >software anyway? Real arguments that make sense and are not
> >GPL/RMS-induced.
>
> proprietary -> Microsoft or IBM or Oracle
Microsoft/IBM/Oracle aren't the only closed software companies.
> Free Software is just one of the more convenient
> and effective methods for ensuring that some
> arbitrary service is replacable thus allowing
> market choices to be relatively free of network
> effects.
>
> This can benefit proprietary wares as well.
> Which Oracle would you like? Which arch do
> you want to run Applix or CivCTP on? Quick,
> where do you turn when you've got new a new
> arch and need a compiler fast (gnu/cygnus)?
>
> In the meantime, microsoft-wannabes are
> discouraged from accumulating too much
> influence such that they could short
> ciruit 'the invisible hand'.
>
> Unix is very much about being open and about
> being fairly trivial to re-implement once a
> cross-compiler is done.
It wasn't originally about that.
>
> --
>
> Microsoft subjected the world to DOS until 1995. |||
> A little spite is more than justified. / | \
>
>
> In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
--
Chris Costello
You never finish a program, you just stop working on it.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Costello)
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 00:44:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim Richardson wrote:
> On Mon, 03 May 1999 01:14:44 GMT,
> Chris Costello, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, D.
>Vrabel wrote:
> >> On Sun, 2 May 1999, Chris Costello wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mark S. Bilk wrote:
> >> > > >For each person, it depends on timescale or personal
> >> > > >interest. Some systems elevate a "class" of individuals to take
> >> > > >advantage of others ("practical communism" and GPL),
> >> > >
> >> > > Amazing! Exactly what "class of individuals" is enabled
> >> > > to "take advantage of others" by means of the GPL? All of
> >> > > humanity minus Bill Gates?
> >> >
> >> > The GPL is a crock. It forces openness. That's not freedom.
> >> > You like walking outside sometimes, I would bet. Would you like
> >> > being *FORCED* to walk outside all the time? That's the key
> >> > problem with the GPL and many recognize it.
> >
> >> Alas, your argument is wrong because your not forced to use the GPL or
> >> to use GPL software.
> >
> > I'm completely aware. I don't like developing on software
> >that makes me release all of my code. If I want to, say, use an
> >IRC server that's GPLed, and add my proprietary extensions to it
> >for conferences amongst my coworkers, I can't do that, now, can
> >I?
>
> Gee, and what _forces_ you to use the GPL'd IRC server in the first place?
> Besides which, if you write the extensions, and don't distribute them o
> outside of your co-workers. Then you don't have to make the source available
> (except maybe to your co-workers.) GPL does not require general distribution
> of sources, only equal with the binaries.
What if I can't trust my coworkers with the source?
>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> David
> >> --
> >> David Vrabel
> >> Engineering Undergraduate at University of Cambridge, UK.
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >Chris Costello
> >This message transmitted on 100% recycled electrons.
>
>
> --
> Jim Richardson
> www.eskimo.com/~warlock
> All hail Eris
> "Linux, where do you want to go tomorrow?"
>
--
Chris Costello
"#define QUESTION ((bb) || !(bb)) - Shakespeare."
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From: Ewan Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [solved] Re: how do i detect if x is running?
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 20:21:07 -0400
On Mon, 03 May 1999, digs wrote:
>On 03 May 1999 10:19:38 -0400, David Z. Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>hmm-
>what if $display is "exported" via profile or wherever
>thats a failure for sure right?
>please offer an example I would like to get it right.
Ah, look, if $DISPLAY is exported via profile or wherever, all your other X
programs are going to fail, too. This is the way everyone does it, and it's one
of the things that the $DISPLAY variable is good for. Just do it. If some user
or program is boneheaded enough to create a $DISPLAY variable that has nothing
to do with X, it's too bad for them.
================================================
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Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 15:36:54 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Internet Real Estate)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Trouble connecting to ISP using PPP
Double check and make sure the IRQ setting on your modem (jumpers?) are
set correctly for the com port you are using.
Edward
> > I'm having establishing a connection with my ISP using PPP. I can make
> > the connection, but my modem keeps hanging up on me, and I'm not sure
> > why. The problem seems to have something to do with PAP
> > authentication.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Mon, 03 May 99 23:38:53 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <1%mX2.8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >I don't see us going to dongles so much as Intel developing a hardware
> >"uber dongle" which will live on the PC board or even in the CPU. It
> >would hold licence information etc.
> >
> >With billions at stake, we should not underestimate what they would do
> >to stop the loss of revenue from the loss of copyrights.
>
> How would they convince *all* hardware manufacturers to include these
> "uber-dongles"? Un-dongled manufacturers would probably succeed in the
> marketplace,
I for one have no intention of buying a "big brother inside" Pentium III
while there are other processors available.
--
Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Amit Chakradeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [SURVEY] Who has an internal modem in his linux box ?
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 11:13:46 -0700
Johan Kullstam wrote:
> David Guyon Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Is there any trouble or dissadvantage ?
>
> lack of blinkenlights.
> lockin to one arch.
> the joy of plug-and-play.
> risk of software or `win'-modem.
> can't toggle power without killing the whole computer.
> hotswap is difficult at best.
>
How do you "hotswap" modems ???
> --
> johan kullstam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Mon, 03 May 99 23:37:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Andrew Carol" writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Formal
> > copyright protection doesn't really buy that much. People still
> > see an making extra copy of appfoo as a near zero cost process
> > and intuitively devalue that software and pirate away.
>
> I don't see us going to dongles so much as Intel developing a hardware
> "uber dongle" which will live on the PC board or even in the CPU. It
> would hold licence information etc.
>
> With billions at stake, we should not underestimate what they would do
> to stop the loss of revenue from the loss of copyrights.
>
> Oh well...
Let them. I'll continue to use Open Source software, such as Linux.
--
Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.powerpc
Date: Mon, 3 May 1999 14:15:50 -0400
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mac-emulation on Linux?
Where can you get the LinuxDisks extension?
Its website seems to be down.
http://w3.teaser.fr/~mpollet/LinuxDisks/
Greg
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From: "Joshua E. Rodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:27:52 -0400
Prins Olivier wrote:
> You think that's okay?? Have you ever seen win95 run on a 4086 and compared it to
4086 sounds cool. Is there a Linux kernel port yet?[1]
> linux running on the same machine, or compare playing quake 1 on a p166 under linux
> or under windows,
> on the first it's playable in a nice resolution on the later it's
> not....And do you also think it's fair that Microsoft tries to take all the credit
> for their supposed increase in performance that's actually caused by better
> hardware???
Sorry, but this is FUD. Quake runs roughly the same speed regardless of operating
system, provided you aren't using a windowing system for graphical output.
I should also add that back in my non-freed days, I ran Windows NT 4 on a
486DX/33 with 24MB of memory--and it ran fine. I used it to develop
software.
I also ran NT 3.51 on a 386/16 with 8MB of memory. It wasn't a picnic, but
it worked (and I did have a busmastering 32-bit Fast/Wide SCSI-2 adapter
to help me <grin>).
[1] I should be asking if the gas backend is ported yet. <sigh>
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From: "Joshua E. Rodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:30:22 -0400
Stefaan A Eeckels wrote:
> NT 3.51 ran quite smoothly on a 486/66 with 32Mb and SCSI disks.
> One major problem was the speed of the console window - it reminded
> me of a 1200 bps terminal. I upgraded to NT4 because "the video
> subsystem performance has been dramatically increased"
More accurately, the video subsystem performance of NT 3.51 had been
greatly decreased (it used a microkernel-style message passing
mode as opposed to just calling the display adapter device driver
directly).
The core problem with consoles is the blocking nature of
OS/2 and NT's text consoles. When you write a character to the
tty, it calls the GUI and blocks waiting for the GUI to finish
performing the graphics operation. This makes scrolling very
slow.
xterm doesn't work this way.
, but had to
> replace the 486 by a pentium 200; the overall system felt *much*
> slower than 3.51, and was a lot less reliable. Maybe it was the
> VESA local bus SCSI controller, maybe the video card, maybe the
> lack of RAM - I don't know -- a new motherboard, 64Mb RAM, a PCI
> video card and a P200 made it into a very usable and stable system.
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From: "Joshua E. Rodd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 20:31:31 -0400
Ed Avis wrote:
> Peter Seebach wrote:
> >That said, a friend of mine is running *NT*, for crying out loud, on a P166.
> >It works fine.
> I'm running NT on an IBM PS/2 Model 80-111. The Model 80 (AFAIK) was
> introduced in 1987, although this is a later model. It has 12MB of
> 160ns RAM, two 115MB ESDI hard disks, and an upgraded CPU (Evergreen
> 486 running at 20MHz).
> Okay, so it is NT 3.51 :-P
Big deal. I ran NT 3.51 on a PS/2 Model 65 SX (8560-061) with 8MB
of memory.
It was 70ns memory, though, which makes a big difference. I also had
a busmastering SCSI adapter which helped (as it was basically using
fixed storage as random-access memory with the 8MB on those crazy
2-8MB Memory Expansion Adapters as page cache).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Hunt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Mon, 03 May 99 23:41:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] "Andrew Carol" writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > They seem to want to do that anyways. They want to get as much
> > money out of us with as little effort as possible. Of course,
> > customers want the reverse to happen.
>
>
> True. But I think that they would react much quicker/stronger on the
> copyright issue. Today copyrights plus basic honesty amongst the
> customers provides enough protection at very minimal cost. Remove the
> copyright, and change the culture to "gee, most software is free, this
> should be too", and their dynamic changes. They will be forced to
> spend lots more to protect it.
Thus upping the price of proprietary closed source software, and making
open sourcem ore attractive in comparison. This means they sell fewer
copies, thus they have to raise the price even more, thus they sell
fewer copies... eventually this will restrict close source into a
few small ghettos with open source dominating the market.
--
Phil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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