Linux-Misc Digest #58, Volume #19 Mon, 15 Feb 99 22:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: one thing that sux about Linux.... (Rowan Volvo)
mounting problem (ManKee)
Re: linux and fault tolerance (Ben Russo)
HP Laserjet IIIp - mem overflow ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
DHCP, MS Proxy, working with/again NT (Stephen)
Re: WindowMaker and KDE (was Re: KDE is a Memory Hog.) (Michael Fleming)
Re: big endian -> little endian converter (Rob Komar)
NFS (David Bach)
Re: WordPerfect 8 console version? (Karel Jansens)
Re: floating point accuracy on Linux? (Johan Kullstam)
Re: set up small word-processing system (Philip Brown)
Re: MS Explorer 4.0 for Unix (steve mcadams)
glibc math failure on check ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Kernel won't load my CD-ROM driver module (Pete Rossi)
Re: Kernel 2.2.1 question ("muzh")
Re: Voice Mail with SPK (Mike Jackson)
Re: Linux Surfing ("muzh")
Word Perfect 8.0 d/l question (Rluby)
Re: Space Station uses 95/NT, disaster imminent (no joke)
Re: Epson Stylus 850 ("William H. Pridgen")
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Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rowan Volvo)
Subject: Re: one thing that sux about Linux....
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:27:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Gregory Propf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Rowan Volvo wrote:
>>
>> so... how stable would x-windows be when the CEO demands root priviledges?
>
>You missed the earlier poster's point - the CEO doesn't do system admin
>stuff himself and that's the only reason he would need root privilege.
>
I don't really think my point is contentious with the earlier poster's point.
I merely bring up another point to consider. The CEO might not want to
learn anything new, but he might want to read others' Email, or he might
just like the term 'superuser'. Unfortunately most people , in
management or otherwise are not strictly rational in regards to what they ask
for -- especially when it has to do with their limitations.
--
Never fly in an airplane that was designed by an optimist
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From: ManKee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mounting problem
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:04:49 +0800
i got a error message when i try to mount a drive.
[mntent]: line 0 in /etc/fstab is bad
[mntent]: line 0 in /dec/fstab is bad
mount : can't find /mnt/cdrom in /etc/mtab or /etc/fstab
any help
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From: Ben Russo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux and fault tolerance
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 18:27:37 -0500
Paul Davies wrote:
> Does anyone know if Linux can be used to run fault tolerant systems?
The URL below has some links to information.
http://linux.zipworld.com.au/fake/
-Ben.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: HP Laserjet IIIp - mem overflow
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:13:16 -0500
I'm attempting to set up a Laserjet IIIp on a system running Slackware
3.6. The Laserjet does not have postscript support it uses PCL5. I've
tried all of the laserjet entries in apsfilter. Each time I tried the
apsfilter print test page the lcd display on the printer would read MEM
OVERFLOW. If I shut the printer off then turned it back on the printer
would spit out a page of dots. Also searched the net only to find a
suggestion for the following in /etc/printcap
# HP LaserJet IIIp
local:\
:lp=/dev/printer:\
:sd=/usr/spool/local_lp:\
:sh=false:\
:mx#0:\
:of=/usr/spool/local_lp/lpf:\
:lf=/usr/spool/local_lp/hp-log:
Nothing works. Results were either 10 - 15 blank pages or one page full
of evenly spaced dots. The printer works in Win95. Any ideas?
Regards,
TPF
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:18:13 +1100
From: Stephen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: DHCP, MS Proxy, working with/again NT
Been forced to use a network where you run as a microsoft client. IP's
are allocated through DHCP, how do I set that up ? Read the howto's, but
if someone would be so kind to be a little more specific on it I would
be grateful. Also, under DOS 8.0 ( oops! , Win98 ) need to be a MS
Proxy installed and running as a client, to gain outside access. How do
I set this up? any ideas would be great. I have an idea that I could get
the SOCKS software, and somehow set that up as a client, though this is
only an idea, how this is implemented is beyond me at the present time.
No way do I want run windoze, but if the worst comes to the worst, I
may, just have to use, the worst........ Any information, websites,
old news articles, books, software vendors, ideas and encouragement
would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Fleming)
Subject: Re: WindowMaker and KDE (was Re: KDE is a Memory Hog.)
Date: 16 Feb 1999 01:40:13 GMT
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> i've seen reference to this many times, that you can use windowmaker
> instead of kwm.
Yep, with versions 0.50 and up of Window Maker.
> does this provide a perceivable performance enhancement?
It did on my system - but of course YMMV.
> and is there any documentation anywhere on how to replace kwm with
> windowmaker.
It's in the docs of the Window Maker tarball (README.KDE)
> i've checked both the kde and windowmaker pages often, but
> have yet to see anything other than it's possible.
>
> i'm assuming use of windowmaker does not prevent the use of the kpanel,
> which i really like.
Both work together quite happily.
> thanks in advance
>
> --mk
HIH,
Michael Fleming.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Komar)
Crossposted-To: cern.linux
Subject: Re: big endian -> little endian converter
Date: 15 Feb 1999 23:39:08 GMT
Thomas Boggs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: "David R. Conrad" wrote:
:
: > Thomas Boggs wrote:
: > >Speaking of floating points, does anyone know of any libraries to convert
: > >floating point values between different platforms? I've gotten some VAX binary
: > >files containing floats in the past and had to do my own byte swapping and bit
: > >fiddling to use the data on an Intel machine. It would be nice not to have to
: > >go through that process for each platform.
: >
: > Sure:
: >
: > printf("%f", double_var);
: >
: > scanf("%f", &double_var);
: >
:
: Huh? How is scanf going to know that the binary value it is reading is from a
: different architecture which is byte swapped and has a different number of bits for
: the number's exponent and mantissa?
because it's reading a text string, not the binary form of the number.
Cheers,
Rob Komar
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From: David Bach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NFS
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:40:16 GMT
NFS is not complied into my kernel (Debian, 2.0.34). Is there a way to
install NFS or do I need to recompile the kernel?
TIA,
David Bach
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From: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net (Karel Jansens)
Reply-To: jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
Subject: Re: WordPerfect 8 console version?
Date: 15 Feb 1999 23:54:59 GMT
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:30:11, Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Karel Jansens wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 04:06:55, Jerry Lynn Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Karel Jansens wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Call me old-fashioned, but I've always loved WordPerfect.
> > > > I'm using version 8 at the moment, and I learned that if you buy the server
> > > > edition, Corel throws in a console version.
> > > >
> > > > Anybody knows if this console version can be bought/freeloaded separately?
> > > >
> > >
> > > I bought one. Runs great!
> >
> > Really?
> > How did you get your hands on it? Corel has no mention of a seperate
> > version of WordPerfect 8 character terminal version (I can only find it as
> > part of the Server edition, which, at USD 495.00 SRP is a little bit over
> > the hill for installation on a standalone machine).
> >
>
> My appologies! I thought you were refering to a single user version.
I might have gone a bit 'literary' in my original question, so the culprit
could be me.
Still, I think Corel should seperately release that character based version
of WP8. I think many people still have PCs that, although very capable of
running Linux, would struggle some under the strain of X. A version of WP
for terminal could sell really well - but NOT at USD 495.00, of course.
Karel Jansens
jansens_at_ibm_dot_net
=======================================================
"Give a man a fire and he's warm for a day,
but set fire to him and he's warm
for the rest of his life."
(Terry Pratchett - Jingo!)
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Subject: Re: floating point accuracy on Linux?
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 15 Feb 1999 21:26:35 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Georg Schwarz) writes:
> Mark Bratcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >It's not Linux, per se, it's the C math library that's at issue here.
>
> OK.
it's also the 64 bit double constants and 80 bit processing in the
x87. most other processors are 64 bit consistently all the way through.
> >You didn't mention the specific processor being used in each case here.
>
> well, it seems to be a problem with all x86 I have tried: AMD K6, Intel
> Pentium II, AMD 386 with and without FPU.
>
> >I know the MIPS, but the x86 were run on what processor? And what
> >compiler and C library were used?
>
> IIRC, the phenomenon shoed up with both gcc 2.7.something and some rather
> recent egcs.
>
> I'd be interested to learn whether there's a way on x86 to avoid that
> problem. Also, is it possible that Fortran compilers like pgf77 are also
> affected?
learn what floating point is and learn how to use it. you have a
viscious cancellation problem. floating point is finite precision
arithmetic. 1e-17 is zero to within machine accuracy. i see no
problem in the results. it's your interpretation of the results which
are flawed.
you need to be more careful in applying algorithms and interpreting
the results. in particular, using expressions like a == b with
floating point numbers is almost always the wrong thing. use epsilons
such as fabs(a-b) < eps. be aware of precision losing calculations.
--
Johan Kullstam [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Don't Fear the Penguin!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Subject: Re: set up small word-processing system
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 Feb 1999 00:07:29 GMT
On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:20:19 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>...
>There is stuff like Star Office and Word Perfect around, but I suspect
>they will not run very smoothly on the configuration you are proposing.
I'll say. staroffice is an emulated package. Think java.
if java wont run on a system, staroffice won't do very well either.
4 megs? I don't think so.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Subject: Re: MS Explorer 4.0 for Unix
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:18:57 GMT
[Posted & mailed, snipped, quoted is ">"]
On Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:55:47 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
wrote:
>Remember DOS v4.0.
>
>Personally I think it's a bug in the number 4.
I seem to remember from somewhere that the Universal Answer is "43".
You don't suppose....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: glibc math failure on check
Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:33:36 GMT
(I don't know if this is the correct place to post this. Please advise me if I
am wrong).
I am trying to build gclibc-2.0.112 on Linux 2.2.1 using egcs 1.1.1.
Everything compiles fine. When I run a check, I am getting a failure in the
floating point math checks (and double math check.
The test-float.out file contains,
testing float (without inline functions)
Fail: fdim (9, 0) = 9
Fail: fdim (0, -9) = 9
Fail: fdim (+inf, 9) = +inf
Fail: fdim (+inf, -9) = +inf
Fail: fdim (+9, -inf) = +inf
Fail: fdim (-9, -inf) = +inf
Test suite completed:
2165 test cases plus 2153 tests for exception flags executed.
6 errors occured.
I used i586-pc-linux-gnu as the host (I am running on a P166).
Any ideas??
Regards,
Ian Collins.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Rossi)
Subject: Kernel won't load my CD-ROM driver module
Date: 16 Feb 1999 02:38:55 GMT
Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc
Organization: I need to put my ORGANIZATION here.
Subject: Kernel won't load my CD-ROM driver module
I have been running a Linux system for a few years now where I configured
my CD-ROM driver and the iso9660 support as modules. This way they are
automatically loaded when I mount a CD-ROM ... and unloaded when I
unmount it. It works great.
Now I am trying to duplicate this setup on another system and it refuses
to load the CD-ROM driver when I try to mount a CD-ROM.
Yes, I have CONFIG_MODULES and CONFIG_KERNELD set when I built my Kernel.
All of the necessary driver and isofs modules were specified and were created
and installed. depmod -a is run at boot time and and kerneld is running.
But when I try to mount a CD-ROM is it does not recognize the device.
I finally tried running kerneld with the debug option and it reports :
can't locate module 660
when I try to mount a CD-ROM. What is module 660?
Everything works fine if I manually load the driver and isofs modules
using modprobe but I can't figure out why the automatic loading is giving
me so much trouble.. when it works so nice on the other system.
Also having the same problem when I try to mount MSDOS floppies. The
floppy driver and all of the MSDOS stuff were specified as modules, yet
it refuses to load them. Works great on the other system...
The system that is giving me the problems is running 2.0.36 and
modutils 2.1.121 -- basically Slackware 3.6
The system that works is also 2.0.36 but with older Slackware - modutils 2.1.23
????
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Pete Rossi - WA3NNA
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From: "muzh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Kernel 2.2.1 question
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:38:59 +1300
I think that somewhere else in the makexconfig process you have to enable
experimental code (disabled by default)
andrewl wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Hello All,
> My question is this. When building the kernel, I cannot
>seem to load the SMC Etherpower Express II ( experimental ) option . It
>is always greyed out.( in xconfig) . The module is in the package (
>epic100.o ) but unlike previous kernels, the SMC EPIC/100 card is not an
>option. Is this a shortcoming of the kernel ?
>Do I need to do something that I cannot thimk of ?
>
>Anyhelp will be appreciated.
>
>-David
>
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From: Mike Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Voice Mail with SPK
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:37:27 GMT
If the modem has two "head phone" jacks on it, it's a good indicator that the
modem is
voice capable. An external (you didn't say which it was) should have pictures
next to
the jacks signifying microphone or speaker, and the internal should have the
same, except
using text instead of pictures.
I haven't used spk, but I did play with mgetty. I finally came to the
conclusion that I needed
to upgrade my modem, rather that screw around with it anymore, but mgetty did
look pretty
good. I don't know anything about success or failure with any other types of
modems.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was thinking about setting up voice mail on my linux machine. Has anyone
> used spk, and what were your thoughts on its capabilities, and limitations?
> What is required to run spk. The website is very short on details as is the
> readme files. I've got a USR 33.6 modem, but I'm not sure if it can handle
> voice data. How can I tell. Any thoughts... Any success using generic
> modems?
>
> Thanks for any and all.
>
> Brian Seppanen
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "muzh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Surfing
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:44:22 +1300
http://metalab.unc.edu/LDP/HOWTO/PPP-HOWTO.html
or use ezppp or kppp
Andrew Fus wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>How do I navigate on the web without using any Windows based operating
>system, also, how do I hookup Linux to surf the net.
>
>Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Thanks
>Andrew
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rluby)
Subject: Word Perfect 8.0 d/l question
Date: 16 Feb 1999 02:45:58 GMT
I've just dl/d the single-file version of WP 8.0 PE and the result was a
tar file of about 12mb. Since my dl terminated unexpectedly, I wonder it this
is
the correct size of the file, or do I have to dl it again - in the multi
segment version.?
Also, what is the shelll caommand to unzip it into its proper spot where it
will work with XWindows?
Others might want to know too.
TIA, folks.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Station uses 95/NT, disaster imminent (no joke)
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 15:55:16 +0100
> at home more out of curiosity than anything else. I saw the post
> about the space station and thought it appropriate tomake a comment
> about how humans interact with machines, perhaps best summed up by a
> quotation I heard once: "to err is human, but to truly screw up
> requires a computer." The insult (to computer technology) is
It�s not comparable. The Yorktown wasn�t in service. This ship�s
mission was testing, and - ohh - their testing turned out some
flaws. Think of it as a prototype - nobody expects it to be
perfect.
Jeez, why do I retell the whole story? This has been discussed
extensively when the news was new.
Holger
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From: "William H. Pridgen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Epson Stylus 850
Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 20:54:45 -0600
Pavel Greenfield wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is the Stylus 850 supported under linux? I checked the compatibility
> list and it mentions Stylus 800. Does that mean the 800 series or just
> one printer?
You probably will need the latest version of Ghostscript.
>
> Some sites mention "uniprint" in Redhat. I have Slackware. Will it still
> work?
Uniprint is part of Ghostscript.
>
> Can I ever get Linux to a point where I can just browse the web, hit
> Print, and get a color printout?
Yes. Take a look at --
http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~typhoon/
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Bill Pridgen
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