Linux-Misc Digest #803, Volume #19 Sat, 10 Apr 99 21:13:09 EDT
Contents:
3com / US robotics 56K ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: harddisk keep busy (Stuart R. Fuller)
Re: Bad Experience With ComputerWarehouse.com (JimmyD)
[LILO] Trying to boot, just get "L 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01..." (Alex Taylor)
Re: 3com / US robotics 56K (Rob Clark)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (Harry Lewis)
Re: where's the "autoexec.bat" file, or how can i get linux to execute a
(hellraiser)
Re: LILO and IDE drive > 1024 cyls (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Can I read an HP-UX backup tape? (Ian James)
Re: Linux crashed--hard! (brian moore)
DiskDruid and Fdisk see different things... ("Paul Fowler")
Re: 3com / US robotics 56K (Bob Martin)
Re: where's the "autoexec.bat" file, or how can i get linux to execute a (cdog)
Re: Problem with kppp on KDE 1.1 (kama)
Re: Linux (Pankil Richards)
Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0 ("Dan M. Johnson
(bagzman)(LinuxBox1)")
Re: Where to get Linux OS (Bob Martin)
Re: FS: LinuxRules.com ("Benjamin A. Rosenberg")
Re: Linux as Domain Server? (Bob Hauck)
mounting hard drives ("pschless")
Re: Where to get Linux OS (Jeremy Nickolet)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Pascal/Delphi in Linux (Jeffrey L Straszheim)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: 3com / US robotics 56K
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:28:19 GMT
I'm trying to find a 56K modem that will work under linux. I checked the
"Linux modems list," aka "Winmodems are not modems," and discovered that the
3com / USRobotics Sportster 56K, model 1785, allegedly works fine.
The problem is that I can't find any of these being sold anywhere. The
closest model number I can find is 1787, and I can't find any technical
details that tell if this one would probably be compatible, too. I'm curious
if anyone else out there has had any success with this model.
Also, if you know of another 56K modem that works well with linux, I wouldn't
mind hearing about that, either.
thanks in advance for any advice,
rob kent
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller)
Subject: Re: harddisk keep busy
Crossposted-To: como.os.linux.help
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:00:05 GMT
digger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: i just found which program keeps writing to the disk by killing the
: process one by one. it is /sbin/update, which is supposed to flush the
: kernel buffer back to disk. the default value for is 5 sec. i just kill
: this process and have not seen any problem yet.
ut, you will.
Stu
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From: JimmyD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Bad Experience With ComputerWarehouse.com
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 04:56:51 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I know alot of us are out building our own servers and workstations.
>
> Here's an unfortunate experience I had with one vendor:
>
> ComputerWarehouse (www.computerwarehouse.com)
>
There is a lot of trash on the 'net today. I have recieved defective
equipment, equipment without promised specs, used equipment (sold as
new). It's time to start slamming these slugs. Report bad vendors
here:
http://www.resellerratings.com/
We can make a difference and we don't need the government to do it!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Taylor)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: [LILO] Trying to boot, just get "L 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01..."
Date: 10 Apr 1999 22:31:36 GMT
I just installed Debian 2.1 on my system (Asus P2B, BT-958 SCSI, two
UW-SCSI hard drives & LS-120 on hda), and I can't seem to upgrade the kernel.
I compiled a new kernel, tried creating a boot disk. A plain ("dd")
boot disk refuses to even start booting, a LILO boot disk gets as far as
"LI", and now I've rendered Debian unbootable by trying LILO on the hard
drive.
LILO is configured to install on /dev/sdb4 (my Debian partition), as
I use OS/2 Boot Manager as the primary loader. The partition is just over
4 Gb in size.
When I ran lilo -v on the new kernel, I got a warning that BIOS device 0x82
might not be accessible.
Then when I tried to boot, as soon as I chose Linux from Boot Manager, I
got
L 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 ...
ad infinitum.
I checked the LILO documentation, and it says this "shouldn't happen"
(and a few equally helpful things).
I tried booting into my other Linux partition, SuSE 5.2 on /dev/sdb3.
I mounted sdb4 on /new, tried restoring the old kernel image, and
running "lilo -v -r /new"
and got "First boot sector does not have a valid LILO signature".
The LILO docs just say I might have the partition name wrong, but
I can't have since I've mounted it.
The final piece of the puzzle is this: LILO installed perfectly well
via the Debian installation routines (with the default install kernel).
I'm using the exact same lilo.conf file as was installed by default in
/etc (which I assume is what it used before). All I did was change the
symlink /vmlinuz to point to the new kernel.
I've tried adding/removing parameters like "compact" and "linear", to
no avail.
I've also tried using the exact same lilo.conf contents as my SuSE
installation on /deb/sdb3 has (with the partition name changed).
But it refuses to accept it.
It can't be the hard drive, because SuSE works well, and Debian installed
perfectly well, too.
It can't be a one-time fluke, either, because this same thing happened
to me earlier in the week, using the debian-style kernel install (I
just reformatted & reinstalled because I couldn't bother fighting with it).
Can somebody PLEASE help me...?
Thanks...
=================================================================
Alex Taylor BA - CIS - University of Guelph
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://eddie.cis.uoguelph.ca/~alex
=================================================================
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: 3com / US robotics 56K
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Clark)
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 22:37:26 GMT
In article <7eofpf$6tf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I'm trying to find a 56K modem that will work under linux. I checked the
>"Linux modems list," aka "Winmodems are not modems," and discovered that the
>3com / USRobotics Sportster 56K, model 1785, allegedly works fine.
>
>The problem is that I can't find any of these being sold anywhere. The
>closest model number I can find is 1787, and I can't find any technical
>details that tell if this one would probably be compatible, too. I'm curious
>if anyone else out there has had any success with this model.
[The 3Com/USR modems are split between the 4X2 and CJE sections of the web
page]
The 1787 modems are okay, but I believe that they all lack the Voice
features of the 1785. They may be very similar in all other respects--
I've never seen a 1785 up close and personal.
Rob Clark, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.o2.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html
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From: Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:55:00 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> that (abomination) that he posted
You took the words right out of my mouth!
Harry
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From: hellraiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where's the "autoexec.bat" file, or how can i get linux to execute a
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:01:10 -0400
man <your shell>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: LILO and IDE drive > 1024 cyls
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 07:38:29 GMT
"Daniel J. Wright" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format.
Uh, unless you do have good reasons to believe that someone
might be forging your identity, please stop that. There's not
much sense in posting messages where the SMIME key with 40+ lines is
longer than the content of your message.
[...]
Michael
--
Michael Buchenrieder * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.muc.de/~mibu
Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
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From: Ian James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Can I read an HP-UX backup tape?
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:26:27 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Paul Sherwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>On Thu, 08 Apr 1999 17:46:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>I'm trying to read a backup tape created with HP-UX's fbackup.
>
>I don't know anything about fbackup but the first thing I'd do is pull
>the raw data from the tape using dd (see the man page for more info):
>dd if=/dev/st0 of=/tmp/tape1 etc.
>
>From your examples, you seem to suggest that fbackup is a front end
>for cpio. If this is so, you shouldn't have any problems unpacking the
>files.
>
>I take an interest in these things and would appreciate an email when
>you finally sort this out.
>
>Good luck and best regards, Paul
>Paul Sherwin Consulting 22 Monmouth Road, Oxford OX1 4TD, UK
>Phone +44 (0)1865 721438 http://www.telinco.co.uk/psherwin/index.htm
>Fax +44 (0)1865 434331 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Pager +44 (0)7666 797228
I think the format is 3 individual files, two ascii and one tar file but
as described above, look and see is the best first step - maybe use:
dd if=/dev/nst0 of=/tmp/file count=20
file /tmp/file
The count=20 stops the whole archive from being copied to your disk.
The 'n' say no-rewind after reading the file so you can repeat the
commands until you get to the end of the tape.
Each file command should say if the format is recognisable.
--
Ian James
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Linux crashed--hard!
Date: 10 Apr 1999 23:41:07 GMT
On Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:39:32 GMT,
J. J. Ramsey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> After I restarted the machine again, fsck returned signal 4 and I was brought
> to a prompt where I could type in my root password to get to a shel and do
> some maintainance. I logged in, tried to do fsck -RA, tried to shutdown,
> which failed, and hard reset my computer again. This time my computer
> rebooted with no problems, but random segfaults of apps were still a problem.
> I rebooted again, reinstalled the rpms of my slightly older version of GNOME
> (still a 1.0 version), and so far as yet, I've experienced no problems. I'm
> even running Enlightenment right now.
>
> Any ideas of what the problem might have been?
Check your RAM. (See the SIG-11 FAQ for further clues.)
Random segfaults (often seen when compiling the kernel, since it likes
to use as much RAM as it can get) are usually the sign of hardware
problems. A stuck bit (ie, a row of bits in RAM that end up shorted
high or low) will do what you describe.
Simple check: reseat all your RAM and make sure it's got good contact
with the sockets. Then build a kernel (you don't need to use it, just
compile it as a memory test). If it still segfaults, start swapping
simms or dimms around to see if you can isolate which it is.
--
Brian Moore | "The Zen nature of a spammer resembles
Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
Netscum, Bane of Elves. Peter Olson, Delphi Postmaster
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From: "Paul Fowler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: DiskDruid and Fdisk see different things...
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:45:15 -0400
After partitioning my disk...
I have a windows partition hda1 from Cyl 1-767
I have a linux ext2 partition hda2 from Cyl 767-1006
I have an extended partition hda3 from Cyl 1007-2055
I have a linux swap partition hda5 from Cyl 1007-1023
I have a windows partition hda6 from Cyl 1024-2055
Anyway,
Partition magic 4.0 sees everything because it created everything
Disk druid does not see hda5 or hda6
fdisk sees them, but says that hda3 has different physical and logical
endings
physical = Cyl 1024
logical = Cyl 2055
This keeps me from installing RedHat linux!!! I can't bypass disk druid,
even when selecting fdisk!
I created the partitions with Partition Magic 4.0
Any ideas? Thank you,
Paul Fowler
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:45:48 -0500
From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 3com / US robotics 56K
The secrect is just don't get a winmodem , other than that any modem
should work. it's the fact that winmodems are just a breadboard with a
phone jack attached, the actual modem is a software driver running under
windows, hence the resaon they do not work with linux.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I'm trying to find a 56K modem that will work under linux. I checked the
> "Linux modems list," aka "Winmodems are not modems," and discovered that the
> 3com / USRobotics Sportster 56K, model 1785, allegedly works fine.
>
> The problem is that I can't find any of these being sold anywhere. The
> closest model number I can find is 1787, and I can't find any technical
> details that tell if this one would probably be compatible, too. I'm curious
> if anyone else out there has had any success with this model.
>
> Also, if you know of another 56K modem that works well with linux, I wouldn't
> mind hearing about that, either.
>
> thanks in advance for any advice,
> rob kent
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
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From: cdog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: where's the "autoexec.bat" file, or how can i get linux to execute a
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 17:54:31 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How do I find HOWTO's ? ... http://metalab.unc.edu/mdw/index.html#howto
Sorry ... getting a little cynical today...
c_dog
Gandalf wrote:
> thanxx
>
> how do i execute a shell on boot
>
> how do i connect linux to my isp?
>
> yours,
> Gandalf
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 07:50:35 +0200
From: kama <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Problem with kppp on KDE 1.1
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Not on mine. (KDE 1.1, kernel 2.2.1, SuSE 6.0.)
>
> Did you use the SuSE rpms, or compile it yourself?
I used SuSE rpms for KDE 1.1.
Downloaded kernel 2.2.2, recompiled.
I don't remember having this problem before moving to kernel 2.2.*
Later
Mac
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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 10:00:54 +0200
From: Pankil Richards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux
Neil Kettle wrote:
> Which Distrubution is best for a beginner?
>
> Suse or Red Hat
Well, alphabetically speaking, since "R" comes before "S", I would say
Red Hat. Just kidding.
I've heard both are good, but since I use Mandrake 5.3 (which is based
on Red Hat 5.2), and have also used the "original" RH 5.2, I'm biased
towards Red Hat. The installation (exactly the same process on either
distro) went quite smoothly for me (and I have my system dual-booting
with Win 98 as well as Ethernet connecting with another Win 98 pc at
home. Samba setup and printer/file sharing was smooth
too--eventually). Ofcourse "smoothly" is subjective--YMMV.
I think Suse comes with StarOffice 5 and KDE(?) (Mandrake comes with
WP 8 and KDE). With the "original" RH 5.2 I had to download KDE, WP 8,
and StarOffice to install them.
All-in-all, I'm pretty satisfied with an "enhanced" Red Hat 5.2 (
http://www.linux-mandrake.com ).
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Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat.misc,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.hardware
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 08:55:47 +0200
From: "Dan M. Johnson (bagzman)(LinuxBox1)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Idea: Make a seperate "i686" tree for Redhat Linux 6.0
Eh well, I love backwards compatibility, but if it happens to speed things up, go
for it I say. The thing is that as long it dosn't act like a Micro$oft POS, sure
:) The thing about it really is, is speed. If it does happen to increase speed,
sure! If not (which I hear from some people), then I prefer the older i386 method.
-Dan- http://sypol.dynip.com
Tomasz Korycki wrote:
> Johan Kullstam wrote:
> >
> > d s f o x @ c o g s c i . u c s d . e d u (David Fox) writes:
> >
> > > "Idea Man" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > Does anyone else think this would be a good idea? Keep the i386 tree, and
> > > > add an i686 tree that is optimized for P-II/Celeron/P-III processors.
> > > >
> > > > This might be a pain in the butt for the mirrors (more hard drive space
> > > > used), but for some mirrors this would be just fine. This would also make
> > > > Linux higher performing for all the people with flashy new Pentium-III
> > > > machines...
> > >
> > > How much performance improvement would there be?
> >
> > based on my experience with egcs over the past year, not much.
> >
> > the pentium classic seems to be hypersensitive to scheduling, but the
> > i686 (i have a pentiumpro) seems have roughly the same performance
> > (using time on a few of my programs) for compiles with -march=i386,
> > i486 or pentiumpro. -march=pentium hurt speed by about 10%.
> >
> Actually, if You have FP-heavy code (graphics, raytracing, FEA, CFD,
> Stats, simulation), P6-optimised code can gain You as much as 15-20%,
> compared to i386.
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 19:00:50 -0500
From: Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where to get Linux OS
HUH ? consider why you want to use linux. linux is free and can be
downloaded from a number of locations, for documentation see the linux
documentation project at
http://www.ssc.com/linux/LDP/index.html
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I was looking for a free copy of the LINUX OS for my personal use. The
>
> problem I am having is, I don't know enough about LINUX as of yet to know
>
> what I need to start using or playing with the LINUX OS. Is there anyone
>
> that can help? I don't know what files need to be downloaded. Or where to
>
> find documentation. Let me know if it is possible to still get a free copy
>
> of the LINUX OS.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.linux
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 1999 07:49:33 +0200
From: "Benjamin A. Rosenberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FS: LinuxRules.com
Matthew Ross Peterson wrote:
>
> For Sale:
>
> The domain linuxrules.com
>
> For more details, please visit ebay:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=81228851
moron.
--
Ben Rosenberg
================||=====================
"Whatever separates you from the truth,
throw it away, it will vanish anyhow."
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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:12:47 +0200
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: Linux as Domain Server?
In article <7dp4nb$cc6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Julian Sanchez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Can you setup a Linux box in such a way that it can act like a
> NT domain server?
This has worked for a while with Win95 clients. The doco that
comes with Samba tells how. However, the Samba 1.9.x branch does
not get along with NT4 SP3 in this respect as far as I can tell
(at least I could never get it to work). I understand that some
of the domain stuff works with NT in 2.0.x, but haven't tried it.
I'm sure someone else here has.
One option is to use Samba for the actual serving of files and
printers but keep an NT box just for authentication. You can get
Samba to forward login requests to NT by using "security =
server" and setting the "password server = " appropriately.
--
12:00:00 up 35 days, 2:23, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
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From: "pschless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: mounting hard drives
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:47:01 -0500
I have two hard drives inside my computer. linux is installed on my d
drive, or hdb.
anyone know how I can mount my c drive or my d drive into linux?
please email me.
thanks for your time
Patrick
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From: Jeremy Nickolet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where to get Linux OS
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:43:43 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I was looking for a free copy of the LINUX OS for my personal use. The
> problem I am having is, I don't know enough about LINUX as of yet to know
> what I need to start using or playing with the LINUX OS. Is there anyone
> that can help? I don't know what files need to be downloaded. Or where to
> find documentation. Let me know if it is possible to still get a free copy
> of the LINUX OS.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> ------------------ Posted via SearchLinux ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
Have a look at:
http://members.home.com/nickoljt/getLinux.html
Jeremy
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.help,linux.redhat.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 01:05:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <7el01j$g2t$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>>
>> Linux> A good and easy to use offline news-reader like Forte
>> Linux> Agent, which is able to decode binaries with a single click
>> Linux> of the mouse, sorting headers on subject, and launcing
>> Linux> binaries with one click.
>>
>> Gnus/Emacs. Learn to use the keyboard, it's much faster than the
>> mouse.
>>
>
>Oh please..... That may be true for some of us, but not everyone is so good
>with the keyboard. There is a reason the mouse is so popular. People are more
>productive with it. Yes, I can type faster than most people so I use the
>keyboard over the mouse frequently. But GUI programs are usually easier to use
>than text based ones.
>
>> Linux> A powerfull and versatile e-mail program, equal to Eudora
>> Linux> Pro 4 or higher. Maintining mailboxes with drag-and-drop,
>> Linux> filtering incoming message and put them in the appropiate
>>
>> nmh/exmh/mh-e. I'll bet I get my mail sorted before you've even
>> figured out what folder to put it in ... and I do it without touching
>> a mouse.
>
>You are missing the point. He wants ease of use, simplisitc. Yeah, that
>command line makes lots of sense to non-Unix types.....
>
>
>> Linux> A good file manager, equal to Windows Explorer. you can say
>> Linux> what you want, but the windows explorer is a good file
>> Linux> manager. Drag-and drop is just very easy to use. So the
>>
>> Bleccchh. In 1990 I was using a shareware file manager that beat the
>> holy crap out of Windows Explorer. Do the math. I almost never need
>> one in linux & when I do, I mostly use dired in emacs; when I'm
>> playing `root' I move files around on the system with GIT.
>
>Well good for you, but you are in the minority. It's great *you* don't need
>one, but you aren't typical of 99% of the rest of the world. It's great your
>an experienced Unix user, but *again* the point of his post was he wanted the
>same ease of use in Linux. You can brag all day about how archaic text
>commands make sense to us, but it is falling on deaf ears.
>
>>
>> Linux> A fast image viewer program, equal to ACDsee. It must be
>> Linux> FAST, FAST,FAST, have a browser-option which allows you to
>> Linux> maintain your image files easily, supports keyboard command
>> Linux> (delete, move, copy) adn it must be fast.
>>
>> I don't waste much time looking at pictures, when I do need a gif
>> viewer, I just use XV.
>
><sigh> Quite frankly, I don't think he cares about how *you* use a computer.
>He was talking about *his* uses of one. He obviously wants to look at
>pictures. ACDsee is a great program that many people use. Just because you
>don't use it, doesn't mean graphics aren't important to the other
>833,343,432,643,343,341 computer users out there....Such arrogance!
>
>> It sounds to me like you're married to the Win95 mentality. That dog
>> won't hunt in linux. You need to start asking yourself whether the
>> way you do things now really is the best way. Otherwise, you might as
>> well put FAT32 back on that partition.
>
>It's unfortunate that many Unix are so arrogant and condescending to people
>who are used to Windows. Basically you are saying "Linux is better. Learn to
>do it our way." Yeah, and your types accuse Microsoft of heavy-handedness.
>Windows users use a wide variety of programs. They aren't going to give those
>up just and jump with Linux on their desktops just because Linux is purer or
>more stable. If it won't run their software or is confusing, they won't use
>it. No matter how much *you* say they don't need all that stuff.
Actually, I would have to say that your
reply is more condescending... sorry, but that is
the way it reads.
I don't think the poster was attempting
to say that Linux is 'better' then Windows. The
point is that if your going to begin using Linux
its going be a difficult process if you continue
to think in terms of the pretty GUI's and mouse
clicks prevalent in Windows, lets pray X doens't
become that restrictive.
It would make sense for Linux users to
become familiar with those tools 'common' to all
Linux distributions tho wouldn't it?
Again. I didn't feel the reply was meant
to bash Windows or Windows users. However, your
post seems to be directed at generalizing a large
number of UNIX users and sterotyping them as
Windows-haters, and this simply is not true.
In reality very few people are happy with
Windows and many of its applications, most users have
just accepted them as the standard and went on their
merry way. For those users who are looking for
an alternative answer Linux poses a very nice
solution. I would have to say that the original
poster obviously realizes some of the problems with
Windows and has an interest in learning about Linux...
how else would the post have ended up here?
I personally use both Windows and Linux.
At this point I haven't found any Linux software
that compares with Adobe Photoshop (even Gimp, sorry).
But in all other aspects I find Linux to outperform
Windows... but thats because i'm unhappy with the
static construction of Windows and the numerous
lame and bloated applications.
Again, i'm speculating here, but I would
say that the original poster had some problems
with Windows too or they would not be looking towards
Linux for answers...
j.
>
>Mark Hoffman
>D Animation Multimedia and Web Design
>
>(Where we know the limits of both Windows and Linux.)
>
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From: Jeffrey L Straszheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Pascal/Delphi in Linux
Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:55:10 -0400
Matthew Slowe wrote:
> Is there currently a Pascal or Delphi compiler for Linux? If so, where
> can it be obtained?
Try http://agnes.dida.physik.uni-essen.de/~gnu-pascal/ for a pascal
compiler. I don't know how much luck you'll have with Delphi.
--
--Jeffrey Straszheim
---Systems Engineer, Programmer
----stimuli AT shadow DOT net
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