Linux-Misc Digest #803, Volume #26 Sun, 14 Jan 01 02:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: Softball newbie question(s) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Full-featured, reliable POP-mail client for Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Browser madness.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: 2.4.0 not booting (Michael Anderson)
Re: 'tar' with large backup jobs / spanning tapes ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: linux books, etc. ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Softball newbie question(s) (Francois Labreque)
Re: starting xterm with environment set ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Can't get X working properly (Dave Brown)
Re: Can't get X working properly (Jean-Christian)
Re: Is Netscape 6 on Linux more stable than previous versions?
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: file permissions suddenly changed!!!!!! (David)
Re: destination host unreachable (Dances With Crows)
Re: "ncurses"--help needed... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
TV Tuner (linuxfrk)
Re: /usr busy on shutdown; can't shutdown ("D. Stimits")
Re: Warning : Win2000 defragments not as linux communauty will expect. (Nico Coetzee)
Re: PostScript quality? (Nico Coetzee)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Softball newbie question(s)
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 02:58:02 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Hanson writes:
> > I'm an American and I pronounce Linux lin' ux. It seems only
newbies and
> > Windows users pronounce it lie' nux.
>
> I'm a Debian developer, I've been using Linux since Slackware 2.3, I
> haven't used Windows since 1996, and I pronounce it lie' nux.
>
> Of course, the only person I ever talk to who knows what it is is my wife,
> and she learned about it from me...
I wonder how Linus Travold would pronounces his name. Any Finnish
speakers that can fill us in?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.mail.misc,alt.os.linux.suse,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Full-featured, reliable POP-mail client for Linux?
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:18:02 GMT
In article <93q23j$hjt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Richard Spandit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Linux Format magazine recommended Mahogany as a GUI client, or Mutt as a
> text-based client.
>
> www.wxwindows.org/Mahogany/
> www.mutt.org/
Emacs and vm. There is no subtitute.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Browser madness....
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:15:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> See if you still have problems when you disable Java and JavaScript. I
> disabled those recently when my ISP's home page was causing Netscape to
> crash. I forgot to re-enable them, but with them disabled (not sure if
> that makes a difference), I had no trouble searching for a book on Amazon,
> although, I did not attempt a purchase. It is also possible that some
> secure sites require a browser upgrade to 128-bit encrytation.
I recently found that sites with flash content would crash netscape.
I tracked it down to a bug in the flash plugin that came with the Unix
netscape, and it seems to be related to not being able to open the
audio device. After failing to open /dev/audio, it was trying to open
trace.txt in some system directory, failing with permission denied,
and then apparently trying to use the file pointer anyway. I just
removed the flash plugin and the problems went away. This was on
Solaris, and it may only be the Sun supplied build of netscape that has
this plugin. I haven't download 4.76 for Linux yet to check.
Disabling javascript also gets around the problem but a lot of sites
require you have javascript enabled, so it's annoying to have to
keep swiching it.
I haven't found too many sites that require 128-bit, but it's a good
idea to grab it anyway now that the regulations have been loosened.
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From: Michael Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.4.0 not booting
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:30:33 GMT
I had the same problem.
Someone point out to me to check your menuconfig and make sure
you pick the correct processor. (I think it defaults to a pentium 3)
Worked for me
David Blado wrote:
> I just compiled the 2.4.0 kernel (right now I am on 2.4.0-test7 and it
> works great)
> when I reboot after updating System.map lilo, the system hangs on
> Uncompressing kernel, blah blah blah
> ........hangs right here........
>
> this is what my lilo.conf file looks like...
> boot=/dev/hda
> map=/boot/map
> install=/boot/boot.b
> prompt
> timeout=50
> default=linux-2.4.0
>
> image=/boot/bzImage-2.4.0-test7
> label=linux-2.4.0-t7
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda2
> append="md=0,/dev/hde,/dev/sda"
> image=/boot/bzImage-2.4.0
> label=linux-2.4.0
> read-only
> root=/dev/hda2
> append="md=0,/dev/hde,/dev/sda"
>
> the 2.4.0-test7 kernel boots correctly w/ the appended info...
>
> has anyone experianced this problem???
> thanx,
> David
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 'tar' with large backup jobs / spanning tapes
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:30:48 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Marc Billiet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have no experience with it, but according to 'info tar', =93the method=
> =20
> 'tar' uses is not perfect, and fails on some operating systems or on som=
> e=20
> devices=94. The solution in that case is to use the option --tape-length=
> .=20
> So I suggest to try it out.
> Note that 'info tar' seems to give more information than 'man tar'.
>
> Marc
It's actually up the device and the device driver to return the
correct information back to the application layer. I've had
problems with this with every version of Unix long before linux
even existed. It's not a problem with tar as it also occurs on
other utilities. Only hope besides getting a differant drive is
to see if a better driver is available or fix it yourself if you
know kernel programming.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux books, etc.
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 00:05:21 GMT
Adam J BC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You've multi-posted this message to at least two newsgroups. In the
>> future, please don't do this. If a message is really on-topic and
>> appropriate for multiple newsgroups, cross-post it by listing both
> Just curious, but what would you call "truly extraordinary circumstances"?
Presumably, an attempt to cause a flamefest thread by posting here
with LinuxSux as subject and xposting simultaneously to some
winders groups. Hey .. maybe better to just redirect followups
instead :-).
Peter
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From: Francois Labreque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Softball newbie question(s)
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:45:04 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > John Hanson writes:
> > > I'm an American and I pronounce Linux lin' ux. It seems only
> newbies and
> > > Windows users pronounce it lie' nux.
> >
> > I'm a Debian developer, I've been using Linux since Slackware 2.3, I
> > haven't used Windows since 1996, and I pronounce it lie' nux.
> >
> > Of course, the only person I ever talk to who knows what it is is my wife,
> > and she learned about it from me...
>
> I wonder how Linus Travold would pronounces his name. Any Finnish
> speakers that can fill us in?
There was a URL to an audio clip of him saying it earlier in this
thread. The short story is that his name sounds like "linnoos" and
hence Linux should be pronounced "linnooks"
(and to the other poster, Linux is one of the few words the French,
French-Canadians and Finns agree on)
--
Francois Labreque | Unfortunately, there's no such thing as a snooze
flabreque | button on a cat who wants breakfast.
@ | - Unattributed quote from rec.humor.funny
videotron.ca
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: starting xterm with environment set
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 03:38:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On 12 Jan 2001 18:31:08 GMT, Peter Bismuti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have a script that opens a new xterm
> >
> >
> > cd $PWD && xterm &
> >
>
> export junk=555
> xterm &
> echo $junk
> 555
>
> works for me on Mandrake 7.1 and Solaris
>
> Helps if you provide what distro and release level you are using
> when you post questions to the news groups. Different distros
> have different commands, files, and links to files.
And what shell for that matter. Usually using the "-ls" option
to xterm will get the desired results. It causes xterm to start
it's shell as a login shell and therefore read all the normal
startup files. Other than that, what gets passed depends completely
on the shell and is documented in the shell's man page.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dave Brown)
Subject: Re: Can't get X working properly
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 13 Jan 2001 14:39:03 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jean-Christian wrote:
>...
>If I pick some low resolutions setting, like 800x600, X works ok. But I
>know that my monmitor can do up to 1600x1200 (I use that setting in
>windows). And I would like at least 1280x1024 but X freezes when I
>choose that setting ...
You didn't describe what's on the screen when it "freezes".
One thing you might try is to skip the final test on Xconfigurator--
(I think you can do that); reboot; then, try "startx".
I've had the following experience with Xconfigurator: After completing
the Xconfigurator process, including the test "if you can see this click
'yes'", then typing "startx", the machine freezes with the monitor in a
graphical mode, mostly white screen, but with vertical bars, (have to
power down, as keyboard non-functional). But if I proceed through the
same scenario, and >reboot< before immediately after Xconfigurator,
system works fine. (This is with RH 6.2, which uses XFree86 3.3.6,
IBM systems with onboard Trio 3D chipset, and IBM 17" monitors).
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From: Jean-Christian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't get X working properly
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:19:45 GMT
Dave Brown wrote:
> >If I pick some low resolutions setting, like 800x600, X works ok. But I
> >know that my monmitor can do up to 1600x1200 (I use that setting in
> >windows). And I would like at least 1280x1024 but X freezes when I
> >choose that setting ...
>
> You didn't describe what's on the screen when it "freezes".
My monitor shuts down so I can't actually see anything ...
I've also tried to put the output of startx into a file to see what
happens but since the only way I can get the machine to rebot is to
cycle the power, the file is always empty ...
Jc
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is Netscape 6 on Linux more stable than previous versions?
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:07:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Gee, doesn't the subject say it all?
>
> I have run a couple versions of Netscape under Linux, and ended up
> throwing it out because it was just too buggy. Does anyone have any
> experienc on Netscape 6 on Linux?
>
> -Lee Allen
I'd say about the same. Have hit a few annoying hang bugs but
haven't been able to isolate them yet. Netscape 4 was more
likely to crash instead of hang. Which would you prefer?
At least they've gotten rid of their old clunky rendering
engine that would always mis-align things. Many web developers
have had choice words about it.
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: file permissions suddenly changed!!!!!!
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:20:15 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> hi
>
> suddenly, some of my library permissions in /usr/lib (and perhaps some
> others, i havent checked yet) have been changed from their original
> perms (eg. -rwxr-xr-x) to this: "?---------". also, the number of links
> to the file are reported as being 0!!!!!. typical entries look like
> this:
>
> ?--------- 0 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 libncurses_p.a
> ?--------- 0 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 libncurses.a
> ?--------- 0 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 libncurses.so
> ?--------- 0 root root 0 Jan 1 1970 libncurses_g.a
>
> i've never seen perms like this before. so far, it's affected libEterm,
> libaudiofile, libcurses, libform, libgimp, libgimpui and quite a few
> others.
>
> how could something like this have happened????
>
> ali
Is it possible the system has been CRACKED??
If you didn't change them who did?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: destination host unreachable
Date: 14 Jan 2001 04:29:07 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 17:32:27 GMT, Steve Connet staggered into the Black
Sun and said:
>I have my linux machine with 2 NICs in it. One NIC goes to the cable
>modem. Works great. THe other NIC goes to my W2K machine.
>My linux machine is 192.168.1.1
>My W2K machine is 192.168.1.2
>
>Seems to work well. But when I leave my computers overnight and check
>them in the morning, my linux box can no longer ping my w2k machine
>and my w2k machine can no longer ping my linux box.
>But my linux box can still get out over the internet NIC.
>
>[root@CX562133-F]5 /boot> ping win2000
>Warning: no SO_TIMESTAMP support, falling back to SIOCGSTAMP
>PING win2000 (192.168.1.2) from 192.168.1.1 : 56(84) bytes of data.
>From linux (192.168.1.1): Destination Host Unreachable
>From linux (192.168.1.1): Destination Host Unreachable
>From linux (192.168.1.1): Destination Host Unreachable
>
>Also the mount of my W2K hard drive on my unix box disappears. And I
>can no longer mount it. THis is all fixed by REBOOTING my linux box.
Weird. Looked in the system log (often in /var/log/messages or
/var/log/warn) for anything relating to networking problems? And what
are the makes+models of the NICs connecting the 2K and Linux machines?
I ask because at least two older NICs (AT1700 and 3c501) have problems;
if the AT1700 module is ever unloaded, attempts to reload it will cause
a kernel Oops, and the 3c501 is a slow, buggy POS no matter what you do.
As a hackaround/diagnostic, you could set up a cron job on the Linux box
that pings the 2K box every 5 minutes and spits out an error if it
doesn't ping successfully. Leave both machines on overnight, check in
the morning for when the connectivity dropped, which might provide a
clue. If the connectivity *doesn't* drop when you do this, it could be
a module-unloading problem similar to the AT1700 one mentioned above.
HTH,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: "ncurses"--help needed...
Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 04:16:12 GMT
Last pointer in the ITEM array must be a NULL. Check the menu_new
man page. It needs some way to know how long the array is.
In article <93mea1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Nitin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> #include<menu.h>
> #include<stdlib.h>
> #include<stdio.h>
>
> main(){
> char respo[10], act[10];
> int res;
> ITEM * myitem[2];
> MENU * menu[1];
>
> if((myitem[0] = new_item("Menu", "love")) == NULL ){
> printf("\n Error on new item");
> exit(1);
> }
>
> if((myitem[1] = new_item("Menu-2nd", "love")) == NULL ){
> printf("\n Error on 2nd new item");
> exit(1);
> }
>
> initscr(); /* Initilise the Curses*/
>
> menu[0] = new_menu(myitem); / * Here segmentation fault is
coming......core
> dumped*/
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From: linuxfrk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: TV Tuner
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 23:20:51 -0600
Hi all.
Im just wondering if any of you have had any success with a TV Tuner
Card in Linux. If so, what brand ... etc....
Thanks.
Please mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 22:54:41 -0700
From: "D. Stimits" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: /usr busy on shutdown; can't shutdown
Chris Menzel wrote:
>
> I was unable to shutdown until it was pointed out to me that symlinks to
> the halt script in rc.0 and rc.6 might be missing (they were). That
> *almost* solved my problem. However, I still don't get a full, clean
> shutdown. After umounting my /root and /var filesystems, umount fails to
> umount /usr, reporting unhelpfully (for me, anyway) that the device is busy
> -- despite the fact that a KILL has been sent to all processes. The
> shutdown then hangs. The system nearly shutdown by that point, so there is
> nothing I can do but hit the reset button.
>
> Any ideas about what is going wrong and how to fix it would be appreciated.
>
> Chris Menzel
A long long time ago, I actually had a man page process hang on this
(multiple links to one man page file caused it to fail to know the man
page wasn't being read, or at least that is the guess). Took forever to
find it. Using some combination of lsof and/or fuser, you can track
this. Check the man pages on those two commands, it has been a while
since I saw this.
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 08:47:01 +0200
From: Nico Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Warning : Win2000 defragments not as linux communauty will expect.
mike wrote:
>
> Hi Cathy,
> how do you know what types are going where on your
> hard disk after defragmentation?
>
> Mike
There are many tools that does that under Windoze - Norton for example.
I just don't know if any of these tools will work under Win2000 ;)
Cheers
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Date: Sun, 14 Jan 2001 09:08:25 +0200
From: Nico Coetzee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PostScript quality?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rod Smith) writes:
> > Oh, and MacOS supports both Type 1 and TrueType fonts, but MacOS
> > favors TrueType fonts. (Apple invented TrueType; they cross-licensed
> > it with Microsoft in exchange for some graphics protocol that never
> > went anywhere.)
>
> Wouldn't this be better worded as "Apple donated their TrueType organ
> to Microsoft in the expectation of some corresponding organ donation
> that never went anywhere"? :-)
>
> --
> (reverse (concatenate 'string "ac.notelrac.teneerf@" "454aa"))
> <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/>
> "No, I'm not interested in developing a powerful brain. All I'm after
> is just a mediocre brain, something like the president of American
> Telephone and Telegraph Company." -- Alan Turing on the possibilities
> of a thinking machine, 1943.
Typical...
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