Linux-Misc Digest #882, Volume #19 Sun, 18 Apr 99 03:13:20 EDT
Contents:
size of compiled binaries. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Disturbing information - Linux vs NT - true or false? - Educated (Mark Hahn)
Re: Creative Ensoniq AudioPci64 (Carlo Scarfoglio)
ATI RAGE 128 FURY and X ("Carlo Leorini")
Modem sharing ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: FTPing (Nathan Ranger)
Re: Kernel freeze switching Netscape windows (garf)
Re: linux being user-friendly ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Running X apps remotely (Justin B Willoughby)
compiled Kernel 2.0.36 & LOADLIN : HELP ! HELP ! (Nguyen-Dai Quy)
cross-device links (Mark Robinson)
LOCAL: Linux User Group of Davis - Meeting Tuesday, April 20th 6:30pm (William
Kendrick)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux (Dana Booth)
Wanted: Database/Contact mgr with backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend (Daniel
Ts'o)
Re: linux being user-friendly (Tom Christiansen)
Re: Running X apps remotely ("Steve D. Perkins")
Re: LILO problem (Geoff McCaughan)
Printing Problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Virutal console control from a telnet session ("REDSHIFT")
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux (Dana Booth)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux (Donn Miller)
Re: linux being user-friendly ("John Adams")
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux (Donn Miller)
Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: size of compiled binaries.
Date: 17 Apr 1999 23:35:31 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi.
I was doing some experimenting with gcc-2.8.1 and egcs-1.1.2 on a new debian system
and noticed something strange...
I obtained the source of fileutils-3.16 that comes with debian 2.1. When I compile it
with either gcc or egcs, the resulting binaries are appx 3 times larger than the ones
that come with the distribution. For example, the ls program is appx 73K when built
by me,whereas it is only about 24K in the distribution.
Shouldn't they all work out about the same size ?
Tim Hillman
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From: Mark Hahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disturbing information - Linux vs NT - true or false? - Educated
Date: 17 Apr 1999 19:00:12 GMT
> da> If Mindcraft would say the opposite, that Linux was faster then NT, I
> da> wonder how many of you would say that Mindcraft did not know what they
> da> were doing. So Apache sucks, so what. Just means that Apache
if Mindcraft actually did not deliberately rig the competition,
there will be thousands of astonished Linux hackers. it's hard
to find _anything_ they did right, and the litany of specific,
seemingly deliberate "detuning" examples is long.
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From: Carlo Scarfoglio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Creative Ensoniq AudioPci64
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 03:55:50 +0200
"Alan W. Jurgensen" wrote:
> Hi Yall,
>
> REgarding: Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI Sound Card...
>
> Looks like it works in 2.2.5 Kernel using es1371....
>
> As Taken from linux/Documentation/sound/es1371:
> ...
> This driver does not support the ALaw/uLaw sample formats.
> ALaw is the default mode when opening a sound device
> using OSS/Free. The reason for the lack of support is
> that the hardware does not support these formats, and adding
> conversion routines to the kernel would lead to very ugly
> code in the presence of the mmap interface to the driver.
> And since xquake uses mmap, mmap is considered important :-)
> and no sane application uses ALaw/uLaw these days anyway.
> In short, playing a Sun .au file as follows:
>
>
To Rob:
I have too an SB PCI 64 (same chip Ensoniq 1371) and it works well with the 1371
driver under kernel 2.2.5. No /dev/sndstat, I do not know why. Not supported
anymore by the kernel ? It gives some problem with programs looking for it, so I
had to patch the programs. It has no HW MIDI support: MIDI emulation must be done
in SW by apps, such as timidity. By the way, my card picks up noise in the form
of static when playing .wav and .mp3 files at mid to high levels. I think it is
the ripple in the power supply DC lines. Do you know of ways to filter it out
(with passive elements, such as capacitors, etc.) cheaply? I noticed you are
studying electrical engineering...
This is card is highly rated at www.pcavtech.com.
Thanks
Carlo Scarfoglio - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Carlo Leorini" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ATI RAGE 128 FURY and X
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:26:25 +0200
Is there somewhere a support (a X11 server, even beta) for this card ?
Thank you for the help !
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Modem sharing
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:11:39 GMT
I've got a 3 machine home network, 2 run Win98 one (mine) runs Linux. Thanks
to geography, the ISDN Terminal Adapter has to be in a Win98 machine, for now
at least. I'm currently running all sorts of severs for the LAN from the
Linux machine, but I have to use the Win98 machine to do the internet proxies
and stuff. If possible I'd like the Linux machine to think it's connected
directly to the ISDN TA and do IP forwarding and stuff from there. I read the
mini-HOWTO for Linux server (has modem) Windows client (thinks it has modem),
but I want to do it the other way round, without using commercial software.
The ISDN TA is external and uses AT commands, so it's essentially a modem to
the Win98 machine, don't think it'll be a big problem on the Linux box
either.
If that's not possible, how could I run certain scripts on the Linux box when
connecting and before diconnecting on the Win98 machine - similar to ip-up
and ip-down? I managed to get a free Win98 utility (DynamIP) to upload the IP
address to a web page on the "intranet site," but I'd like the LInux box to
run scripts if poss. For example now, fetchmail is checking every minute
whether connected or not. Incidentally, I'm in the UK and have to pay local
ISP call charges :-P so being connected more is not an option!
I'd appreciate any help anyone can give me, thanks in advance.
David Watters
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From: Nathan Ranger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FTPing
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 16:47:47 -0400
Paul,
Tail your /var/adm/messages (or /var/log/messages) file. It shows each
command the user executes via ftp. You can also split the ftp messages
out by configuring /etc/syslog.conf to dump them to another file.
There is also a file called /var/adm/xferlog (or /var/log/xferlog) that
shows the transfer operations. However, it does not show the CWDs and
DEL, etc in that one. Just basic get and put operations.
-NR
Paul wrote:
>
> IF I have users logging in to my machine via ftp, how can I view what
> they are doing and all the fun stats administrators would like to know
> about the user.
>
> I am currently useing netstat but there must be a beter way.
>
> thanks in advanced.
>
> Paul
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From: garf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Kernel freeze switching Netscape windows
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 23:24:11 +0100
Have you tried the lastest version of X (3.3.3.1). I know that support fo=
r the
NeoMagic Chip set has certainly improved in the last few version of X86Fr=
ee.
H&Ks
Garf.
Jimmy Navarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi Kelsey,
>
>I installed WindowMaker 0.52 including WindowMaker-extra-0.1.tar.gz and
>libPropList-0.8.3.tar.gz. My Netscape Communicator 4.07that came with R=
H 5.2
>haven't crashed yet, nor experienced web browser going minimize from tim=
e to
>time. You might consider giving a try to this latest WindowMaker...?
>
>--
>P.S.: To reply me direct, remove extra.
>
>Kelsey Jordahl wrote:
>
>> I've had this problem occuring intermittently for a while now (perhaps
>> once a week), but I have only managed to reproduce it today.
>>
>> The problem is that sometimes, while using Netscape, the whole machine
>> will seize up completely, leaving nothing to do but reboot. I know
>> that the kernel itself has come to a grinding halt, because I am
>> unable to log in remotely to my machine, and I have compiled in SysRq
>> key support, but it doesn't work during one of these crashes. Right
>> now I suspect the window manager, since it happens while switching
>> windows (as I'll describe in a second). I'm using FVWM2, through
>> RedHat's AnotherLevel. I will eventually try setting up FVWM2 from
>> scratch, but first I'd like to hear if anyone has any good ideas or
>> has seen this before, as I don't particularly want to redo all of my
>> configuration.
>>
>> The crash has occured doing various things, and I haven't been able to
>> reproduce it on demand until now. These are the circumstances which
>> duplicate the crash: I had two Netscape widows open in a single
>> virtual desktop. In the back one, I was composing a post to Slashdot.
>> In the front one, I started loading www.npr.org. Just as the NPR page
>> started loading, I clicked on the top of the Slashdot window to bring
>> it to the front, and it froze completely. The cursor froze as a solid
>> circle, indicating it is in the process of bringing the window
>> forward. The timing is important: I have to click the back window
>> just as the page is beginning to load. Although I don't know the
>> circumstances as specificly for previous crashes, it seems to me I was
>> often doing somthing with the window manager: changing windows, or
>> virtual desktops. This is why I suspect FVWM2, although maybe it is
>> triggering an XFree86 bug or a hardware problem.
>>
>> My software configuration:
>> RedHat 5.1 with 2.2.1 kernel
>> XFree86 3.3.2 (XFCom_NeoMagic-2.0.0)
>> Netscape 4.5 glibc version (though crashes also occured with libc5
>> versions of 4.01 and 4.5)
>>
>> hardware:
>> Fujitsu 656tx
>> video card: Neomagic MagicGraph 128ZV with chipset NM2093 and 1152k
>>
>> Any insights would be appreciated.
>>
>> Kelsey
>>
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rest.fr
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>> Institut Universitaire Europeen de la Mer Fax: (33) 2 98 49 87 60
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: linux being user-friendly
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 04:11:29 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
hellraiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> why are poeple trying to make linux user-friendly? i don't think linux
> should be any user-friendly than it already is. the morons complaining
> about linux having to many confusing aspects or cryptic commands, etc.
> etc. shouldn't be using linux and should use windows instead. not
> everyone should use linux... only those who actually need linux to
> perform some powerful, administrative tasks, not the general public...
> the general public should be using winblows. gnome, kde and the other
> desktop envoirnments are trying to make linux operation easier, but i
> don't think they should make it too easy. linux isn't supposed to be
> friendy... it's supposed to be a powerful, stable os that can actually
> do stuff... stuff that windoze can't do and other operations that would
> be too confusing for the average windoze user.
>
> what do you think?? i'm just curious as to what anybody else thinks
> about this. btw, i have slackware and use fvwm2... i don't really like
> fancy stuff (as you've probly guessed). i love my command line and i
> love typing away furiously doing various complex commands... so i wanna
> hear what you think (if you like lots of terminals and typing... or a
> nice, easy interface). just curious... hope i didn't offend anyone,
> (ie, kde/gnome users) heh...
>
A flowery user interface for linux would be nice, but as is seen with the
microsoft os the more user friendly they become the less power they have and
the more memory they need. I like the fact that linux does not need a super
powerful machine to run it and it still is a top notch operating system. I
run linux on an old 486 that I had lying around and i use it for all of my
server functions and internet proxy server/FTP server/etc. all straight from
the command line and even though I have looked at X-windows, i still prefer
to use the command line. In addition to this I found the actual os easier to
run and administer than many of the former MS-DOS programmes that I had been
running before. The true genius of linux and the focus of the operating
system should be geared to the power of the OS and not to the user
friendliness. After all, it is a simple matter to integrate linux into a
winblows network.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
Subject: Re: Running X apps remotely
Date: 17 Apr 1999 22:53:15 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Justin B Willoughby)
"Steve D. Perkins" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) writes:
> Thanks alot! That was a neat trick, and accomplished what I was
> trying to do.
>
> Can you tell me if an IP address you add to you access control list
> like this stays until it is explicitly removed, or if the list is reset
> when your linux box is re-booted. If the changes are permenant... is
> there a way to view exactly what all IP addresses are in your access
> control list?
They are not permanent..... I don't know if they are reset when you
restart X or when you restart Linux. I would guess they would get reset
when X is restarted.
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From: Nguyen-Dai Quy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: compiled Kernel 2.0.36 & LOADLIN : HELP ! HELP !
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 13:40:12 +0200
Hi all,
I use RH-5.2. Yesterday, I tried compile my Kernel 2.0.36.
The compiling is OK and I obtain 'zImage'.
I use LOADLIN for booting from Win95's partition.
I copied new 'zImage' to this partition and boot ...
... not an Image file
Please enter name of kernel image file followed by optional command line
parameters for Linux...
I don't understand why ?
I try copy this image (zImage) to diskette by using :
$ cat zImage > /dev/fd0
or
$ dd if=zImage of=/dev/fd0
And I can boot from this diskette !!!
Anyone can explain me why ? With the same 'zImage' but I can't boot from
hard disk !!!
Thank you very for your help.
PS: If possible, I hope receive your ideas at my address e-mail.
--
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LTAS-ULG
http://ltas18.ltas.ulg.ac.be/~quy
...Pourquoi utiliser 'window' quand on a une 'door' ?
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From: Mark Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: cross-device links
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:35:08 GMT
Is there any way I can use cross-device links?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Kendrick)
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: LOCAL: Linux User Group of Davis - Meeting Tuesday, April 20th 6:30pm
Date: 18 Apr 1999 05:46:08 GMT
The Linux User Group of Davis (LUGOD) will hold its next meeting
this Tuesday, April 20, 1999, at 6:30pm.
The meeting will be held at Steve's Place Pizza, located at 314 F Street
in Davis (530-758-2800). We have reserved the back room.
Topics to be discussed include:
- Status of the "Davis High School Committee"
(See website for updated topic list)
LUGOD is open to all members of the public (UC Davis students/faculity/staff,
as well as NON-STUDENTS). For more information about LUGOD, please visit our
website:
http://www.lugod.org/
If you have any other questions, feel free to contact me at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-bill!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.lugod.org/ http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bill/
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From: Dana Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 05:28:39 GMT
In comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Tak Pui Lou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
TPL: Did you post this to entertain other people? I think this joke make a lot of
people
TPL: laugh. Yeh, NT, HAAHA...
We had an NT advocate at my shop when I was tasked to create a fileserver
system. Figuratively speaking, I kicked his ass and didn't even bother with
his name. The story appears in the 2-99 edition of daemonnews.
Even after our system was up and running (on an OpenBSD computer running
Samba) this NT advocate snidely remarked how NT mirrors data by default. So
I wrote a script that mirrors data. It's so easy to make NT look bad
compared to UNIX(-likes) that it's almost a turn on to come across NT
advocates... :)
--
===========================
Dana Booth <dana[at]oz.net>
Tacoma, Wash., USA
===========================
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daniel Ts'o)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Wanted: Database/Contact mgr with backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend
Date: 17 Apr 1999 22:34:33 PDT
I am looking for a database application that either is like, or could
be made similar to Symantec ACT, ie a contact manager which organizes
people, companies, addresses, phone numbers, contact notes, group membership,
action notes, perhaps scheduling, phone log, calendar, etc.
It should be "client/server" (unlike ACT), preferably with the client
being any decent HTML browser on the Internet and the backend running on Linux
or FreeBSD (e.g. Apache + PHP + MySQL). In addition to DB entry and reporting,
it would be nice if it were capable of printing address labels after a
selection (ie print labels in zipcode sorted order for all contacts who are
interested in X, or the member of group Y).
I gather that much of this could be implemented with MS Outlook and MS
Exchange on NT, dialing in with RAS. However I would prefer an "open source"
solution.
Such a thing around ? Thanks.
Cheers,
Daniel Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Rockefeller University, 1230 York Ave MS138, NY, NY 10021
212-327-7671, FAX: 212-327-7671
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From: Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux being user-friendly
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Christiansen)
Date: 17 Apr 1999 17:59:17 -0700
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
In comp.os.linux.misc, hellraiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:why are poeple trying to make linux user-friendly?
Pop quiz time: "user-friendly" is defined as
1) just like Windows
2) programmer-hostile
3) user-obsequious
4) all of the above
Answer: #4, of course. It's all just a mad rush to copy Windows.
It's sickeningly unoriginal. No one ever comes up with anything new,
because that would scare away momsy and popsy. No one ever thinks
of programmer-friendly interfaces, because programmer-friendly is
user-hostile. We're talking about designing software interfaces with
the goal of making a good demo so you can sell more. Of course you're
unhappy.
--tom
--
You know, by the time you get done with all this, the "Swiss Army
Chainsaw" is going to be more like a Swiss Army Tactical Nuke.... :-)
--Brandon Allbery on perl in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Steve D. Perkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Running X apps remotely
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 18:24:18 -0400
Thanks alot! That was a neat trick, and accomplished what I was
trying to do.
Can you tell me if an IP address you add to you access control list
like this stays until it is explicitly removed, or if the list is reset
when your linux box is re-booted. If the changes are permenant... is
there a way to view exactly what all IP addresses are in your access
control list?
Steve
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From: Geoff McCaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: vmware.for-linux.installation
Subject: Re: LILO problem
Date: 18 Apr 99 00:34:29 GMT
G. Pollack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm trying to set up vmware for Win98 as a guest OS, using the rawdisk
> method. Win98 is on /dev/hda1, and the MBR is on /dev/hda0. When I
> attemp to Power On, lilo writes just 'L' to the screen, and then I get
> the following message:
> Attempt to read 1 sector(s) starting at sector 6044173. This is outside
> the allowed range for raw disk '/home/jerry/vmware/win98/win98.hda'.
> Can anyone tell me what's wrong, and how to correct it?
You need to give the hosted OS read access to the place it's trying to read
from. I can't remember the exact incantation [my VMware box is at work], but
the rawdisk instructions tell you how.
I found when I first used rawdisk with VMware to boot NT that I was getting
loads of messages when NT booted that it was trying to read from illegal
places [even outside the NT partition].
An easy way to fix this is to give vmware Read [not Write!] access to the
entire disk.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Printing Problem
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 11:40:58 GMT
Hi ,
I have a HP Deskjet 670C which Linux detected perfectly. When I still had the
2.0 kernels , I could use lpr to do a print job. but after upgrading to the
2.2s kernels .. I couldn't print anymore .. although my printer was
recognized during startup.
When I try to print , it says something like my print job was queued , but the
lpd daemon is not available or is buzy ..
hmm I don't think its buzy and moreoever , I thought lpd starts at boot ?
Moreoever . .when I try to shutdown my system ... when it comes to lpd .. it
says file not found ..
Hmm what could be the problem ? does anyone know ?
Thanks
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From: "REDSHIFT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Virutal console control from a telnet session
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 00:19:14 -0500
Ay guys I know its in the docs somewhere but I cant find it. I need to be
able to take over control of a console from a telnet session. or at least be
able to see what a user is doing.
THnks
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From: Dana Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:30:05 GMT
In comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Stephen H. Kapit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
SHK: I'm looking at a web server OS for a web hosting only system. I seem to be
SHK: coming down to Redhat Linux or freebsd. Can anyone comment on this for me? I
SHK: plan to put it on an AMD 350 scsi hd system with lots of ram. And co-locating
SHK: the server.
Try Windows NT, it's the best, way better than any of those cheezy, free
UNIX wannabes.
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Dana Booth <dana[at]oz.net>
Tacoma, Wash., USA
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 22:36:18 -0400
"Stephen H. Kapit" wrote:
>
> I'm looking at a web server OS for a web hosting only system. I seem to be
> coming down to Redhat Linux or freebsd. Can anyone comment on this for me? I
> plan to put it on an AMD 350 scsi hd system with lots of ram. And co-locating
> the server.
I'd prefer FreeBSD over Linux. But if I were using Linux, I wouldn't
use RedHat. Debian or Slackware are the Linuces I recommend. A lot
of people don't like Slackware (it's what I use), but Linux isn't my
main OS, FreeBSD and Windows are. Slack doesn't seem to be too "up"
on glibc2, aka libc6, though beta versions of Slack might have
packages available.
Just check out:
BSDs:
http://www.freebsd.org/
http://www.openbsd.org/
http://www.netbsd.org/
Linuces:
http://www.linux.org/
http://www.slackware.com/
http://www.debian.org/
--
Donn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "John Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: linux being user-friendly
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 1999 20:20:59 -0400
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> hellraiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> why are poeple trying to make linux user-friendly?
<snip>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
<7fb3l3$rcm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I think Linux can be friendly and powerful at the same time. I mean, if
it's a
>free software, someone can find the way to make it friendly for the new
users.
>
>Linux is fighting against Debill Gates and his Windows. Users are gonna
change
>Windows for other OS, and that Os will have to be better in all the
possible
>ways, and it includes the interface.
>
>Linux HAS to change its command-line interface for a graphic interface.
Now,
>only the experts can use Linux, but it is made for everyone. We can make it
>attractive to the users by changing its interface.
>
>JORRAMI
First things first:
I don't believe you should be commenting when just 20 minutes earlier in
another post you wrote:
-
I know that Linux is a free OS, but who distributes it? What's the main
advantage of Linux over Windows? What does Microsoft do against Linux?
-
More knowledge should be attained before commenting; however, I'm glad you
are interested in Linux.
I've only had Linux on my computer for two months and don't want to come
across as being an expert in Linux and what it should do or not do. I've
also read tens of articles on Linux before installing it and continue to
follow it's course from www.idg.net.
Just to set you straight.
-Linux has a graphical user interface - some would say too many.
-You do not have to be an expert to use Linux. With only some reading,
Linux was an easy install and I am by no means an expert.
Now my opinion:
You can always have command line Linux, just don't type startx. With the
amount of people that love the command line, I doubt its support will fall.
If I'm not mistaken, Linux and its software were, at least in part, created
to provide people with free software. Making it user friendly is just
making it better and more available to the rest of the public. There are
lots of choices of Linux; pick the one that is right for you. I definately
sympathize with how you feel though when something that you've used for so
long is being pushed towards mainstream. Hopefully the best qualities are
kept intact.
-John, using command line Linux to learn Unix commands
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 01:00:08 -0400
Tak Pui Lou wrote:
>
> Dana Booth wrote:
> >
> > Try Windows NT, it's the best, way better than any of those cheezy, free
> > UNIX wannabes.
> Did you post this to entertain other people? I think this joke make a lot of people
> laugh. Yeh, NT, HAAHA...
An even bigger joke is that NT is POSIX compliant.
--
Donn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 02:55:24 GMT
In <NsbS2.1038$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 04/18/99
at 02:30 AM, Dana Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>Try Windows NT, it's the best, way better than any of those cheezy, free
>UNIX wannabes.
NT is great if you can handle it crashing on a regular basis. We have NT
servers in the office and we are going to move to a UNIX. ______________
Surfin' @Home (cable)
Hal Murray
Calgary, AB
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