Linux-Misc Digest #882, Volume #23 Sat, 18 Mar 00 10:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Newbie question ("WL")
Re: Linux keeps crashing...? (long) (Robert Heller)
Re: Phat Linux (Tom Brinkman)
Do you hate vi? vi or vim? Deathmatch! (Iain Georgeson)
Re: What are frame errors? (Floyd Davidson)
Re: Xfree and geforce (Joshua Baker-LePain)
Re: SuSE Install nightmare ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: AOpen .. Lothar (Duane Evenson)
Does Linux (2.0.30) work with AGP graphic cards? (Jan Panteltje)
Re: Do you hate vi? vi or vim? Deathmatch! ("Tim Haynes")
Re: Salary? ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Salary? ("Joseph T. Adams")
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From: "WL" <will@$pammer$.net (my email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED])>
Subject: Re: Newbie question
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 13:32:38 -0000
Reply-To: "WL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
And how do I use that?
Will
Garen Erdoisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:RYeA4.15$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> WL <will@$pammer$.net (my email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED])> wrote in
> message news:8argpd$3ouns$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Garen Erdoisa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:OlUz4.14$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > ncftp some.archive.site
> > > help get
> > > get -R directory/
> >
> > But I need to use bgget, because I need to get over 150 directories, and
> > that totals over 100MBs. What do you suggest?
>
> In that case use fmirror.
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Will
> >
> > --
> > Web Developer and Programmer for Lukrative Media Ltd
> > http://www.lukrative.com
> > Domain Names-> http://CreativeNames.co.uk
> > Classified Ads-> http://www.LocalAds.Net
> >
> >
> > >
> > > If you want to automate this, you can use an ftp mirror program.
There
> > are
> > > several out there, mirror, fmirror, etc.
> > > If you do use a mirror program be carefull that you deticate the local
> > > target directory to that particular remote directory.
> > >
> > > I've made the mistake in the past of designating an wrong local
> directory
> > > and had the mirror program (working as intended) delete everything
> locally
> > > in that directory tree that wasn't also on the remote site. No major
> harm
> > > done, but something to keep in mind. :)
> > >
> > > fmirror can be gotten from ftp://ftp.guardian.no/pub/free/ftp/fmirror/
> > which
> > > is what I use sometimes and is suitable for running out of cron with
the
> > > apropriate switchtes.
> > >
> > > WL <will@$pammer$.net (my email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED])> wrote
in
> > > message news:8aotlk$3prk2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to get nctp to download all directoried - I tried using
> > > bgget -R
> > > > * which I thought downloaded all directory levels (as
> > > > deep as you can go), but it didn't. Anyone know another switch?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Will
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Web Developer and Programmer for Lukrative Media Ltd
> > > > http://www.lukrative.com
> > > > Domain Names-> http://CreativeNames.co.uk
> > > > Classified Ads-> http://www.LocalAds.Net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux keeps crashing...? (long)
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:00:59 GMT
Bob Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Fri, 17 Mar 2000 17:33:13 -0600, wrote :
BM> Jehsom wrote:
BM> >
BM> > I've used linux for almost a year now, exclusively. I'm running into
BM> > a strange problem now, though. Every 3 weeks, approximately, my linux
BM> > box will completely lock up. It's happened both when I'm using it and
BM> > when I'm not physically on it. Can anyone give me an idea of why it
BM> > might be doing this? Here is my configuration:
BM> >
BM> > Redhat 6.1
BM> > Linux 2.2.14
BM> > OC'd celeron 300a @ 450 (tried downclocking, still hung)
BM> > Abit BH6 motherboard
BM> > 128mb Micron CAS2 pc100 ram
BM> > Sound Blaster PCI128 w/commercial OSS drivers
BM> > (tried disabling sound and it still hung, eventually)
Did you remove the card?
BM> > NVidia Riva 128 AGP, 4mb
BM> > 3com 3c905b/TX LAN card
BM> > Intel EtherExpress Pro 100 LAN card
BM> > Adaptec 2940AU scsi controller (currently one scsi cdrom on it.
BM> > It is a replacement drive for my cd-r, which broke. In-
BM> > terestingly enough, when I had only my cd-r in there, the
BM> > system was stable, and I remember having this replacement
BM> > drive in the system as well before, and back then it was
BM> > also unstable. Could this possibly be it?)
SCSI Termination?????
An unterminated SCSI bus can cause problems. Esp. if you have
something looking to access something on the bus.
BM> > (2) 17gb maxtors
BM> > (1) 27gb maxtor
BM> > (1) 40gb maxtor, all ide
BM> > My 40 and 27gb maxtor are in a software raid 0 (striping) config.
BM> > To accomplish that, I appended the following line to lilo.conf:
BM> > append="md=0,-1,8,0,/dev/hdd,/dev/hdc" (see md.txt)
BM> > (actually, that's linear append mode, not raid 0 striping. It was
BM> > crashing under both configurations.. lin append and raid 0)
BM> > It's incredibly hard for me to test in a non-raided config, because
BM> > this system is used as a production server, and the raid array
BM> > contains a lot of data that must be available at all times.
There is really no need for a sound card in a 'production server'. If it
is removable, pull it.
BM> >
BM> > Anyway, the problem is, it takes so long to crash under bad cir-
BM> > cumstances that I can never tell for sure what's causing it. It
BM> > only crashes about once every 3 weeks, as I said. But whenever it
BM> > does, the hard drive light remains lit. So I'm thinking it's some-
BM> > thing hard drive related.
What is the 'hard drive light' wired to: the IDE or the SCSI board?
BM> >
BM> > Any suggestions? Your input is REALLY wanted/appreciated here.
BM> >
BM>
BM> Don't know, I haven't had any crashes like that. Did have some hangs
BM> after first installing, think it was power management related. turned
BM> that off and it hasn't hung anymore ( about six months up ). When did it
BM> start doing this ? I you suspect it started after you added the scsi
BM> controller/cdrom I'd definetly take it out and see if it runs normally
BM> for few months.
BM>
BM> What about logs ? any error messages ?
BM> --
BM>
BM> Bob Martin
BM>
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From: Tom Brinkman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Phat Linux
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:03:39 GMT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
On 3/17/00, 11:30:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote regarding Phat=20
Linux:
> Im an above-average user of computers. I want to try out Linux but DO =
NOT
> want to partition my hard drive or get a new hard drive. So I want to =
try
> out Phat Linux. Im just wondering if it overwrites any of the bootup
> config files at all...I just want to boot into Linux from Windows=20
using
> the .bat file that Phat Linux uses. Peeps who are using Phat Linux=20
pleaz
> tell me what its like
I run 'regular' Mandrake 7.0, but I also installed Phat
(Mandrake 6.1) on my Winblows HDD. It's a very simple install.
You just unzip Phat to c:\phat and start it with the included
.bat file. The only modifaction is to edit the .bat file to
reflect the amount of installed ram you have. There's absolutely
no modifications to Windoze or hardware.
Phat runs Mdk 6.1 in a single compressed file (loop device),
so it still uses the Linux ext2 file system, but on a dos formatted
disk. A much better solution than the UMSDOS distro's of Linux
running on DOS. It will run a little slower than 'real' Linux
tho. I have 600+mhz and 256mb of ram, and a 7200rpm 2mb cache HDD
and the difference is slight.
Most likely you have a Winmodem, so it won't work with any Linux
distro. Well there's a few software modems that will, but they're
difficult to setup, and performance is usually poor. Same is true
for Win-printers. Phat will be using Linux drivers for your other
hardware, eg, video, sound, etc. so you will need to have the specs
(IRQ's, com?, IO addresses, Monitor specs, etc.) handy to set it up.=20
You can get most if not all this info from Crtl Panel | System, or=20
W98's System Information (in System Tools).
A word of caution: you'll like linux so much you'll so find
yourself making some HDD ext2 space available and getting a 'real'
Linux distribution. Happened to me a coupl'a years ago. Plus=20
side is by then you'll be familiar enough with Linux that all you'll
need is a $1.99 CD from Cheapbytes.com ;->
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Iain Georgeson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Do you hate vi? vi or vim? Deathmatch!
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2000 19:48:53 +0000
[FU set to the only place this is remotely on-topic]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tony Houghton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>If Emacs was
>based on perl instead of Lisp, I'd probably have stuck with it, because
>perl has many other uses for me.
Take a look for 'Perlmacs'. I think it's under <URL:http://www.john-
edwin-tobey.org/>, or search CPAN.
>Or if there was a utility that
>generated a .emacs file from a much simpler language dedicated to no
>more or less than configuring a text editor (like vim's) and the
>documentation for these options was easier to use.
M-x customize?
Iain.
--
So I think trying to direct Linux is like herding cats. Cats are not
motivated by anything resembling what motivates you, but if you get
enough cats, some portion of them will go the right direction just by
chance. -- Dave Taylor, responsible for Doom on Linux
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What are frame errors?
Date: 18 Mar 2000 04:28:47 -0900
Ian MacLure <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Quoth [EMAIL PROTECTED] (sleddog) wrote
>> >What are the 'frame' errors? Is it something I should be concerned
>> >about, and if so how do I correct it?
...
> FYI only ( < Stevens UNIX Network Programming, Pg 181 )
>
> Packets are Network Layer artifacts.
> Frames are Data Link Layer artifacts.
> Bits are Physical Layer artifacts.
>
> The DL layer breaks packets down into frames and checksums
> each frame. If the checksum doesn't match when a frame
> arrives at its destination an error may be reported such as
> the one you got. Other things happen but you weren't asking
> about that really. Tanenbaum explains it in his "Computer
> Networks" book ( Pg 179 )
>
> As far as the advice given, its like the previous responder
> says, beat on the telco.
What good is that going to do?
Look at what the physical layer is in this case... two serial
ports connected via a "reliable link", using modems with error
correction. The telco portion is _between_ two error correcting
modems, which deliver error free data.
This if you have problems with the telco portion the result will
*never* be frame errors. The error correction in the modem will
prevent that, and in the process will slow down the data
throughput to whatever degree is required to obtain correct
data. For example, with enough errors, it might take 50% of the
available bit rate to produce an error free link, and as a
result the channel will have 50% of the expected data
throughput, but it will *never* have a frame error.
On the other hand, if there is a problem with the serial port
connection to the modem (flow control, too long an RS-232 cable,
etc.) there is _no_ error correction in that portion of the
link, and framing errors will be detected. Another possible
cause is an overloaded cpu that cannot respond quickly enough to
interrupts from the serial port, thus dropping data.
Floyd
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Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: Joshua Baker-LePain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xfree and geforce
Date: 18 Mar 2000 14:22:56 GMT
sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> seem to do anything expect restart it again. is there any way i can stop
> it from being going into graphical login???
This question has been asked *many* times. You should really check
deja.com first -- you can find lots of answers there.
Anyway, at the LILO prompt, type 'linux single' or 'linux 1' to
boot your system into single user mode. This will keep it from
booting up xdm. When you get a prompt, cd to /etc and edit
the file 'inittab'. Change the line
id:5:initdefault:
to read
id:3:initdefault:
Reboot and you'll be in console mode. Good luck.
--
Joshua Baker-LePain
Department of Biomedical Engineering
Duke University
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: SuSE Install nightmare
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 12:59:35 +0000
And verily, didst Bill Earley hastily scribble thusly:
>> Now I'm back to the point of once again trying to install linux on a
>> new dual HD home computer. Again, I purchased SuSE, this time Linux
>> 6.2..............and have run into a series of problems.
6.2 isn't the latest Distro, but I use it and have never had problems.
>>
>> First, YAST didn't recognize the FAT16 partitions on my hard drives.
>> It had done so in my previous attempt. I posted and was told that there
>> was a patch available on the SuSE support website. Great! That should be
>> a simple download...right?
At what point didn't it recognise the partitions?
>>
>> I continue with the installation to get the modem up and running.
>> PROBLEM 2: Can't get the modem working. Why? Unlike with my other
>> computer, this time I've got a winmodem (wasn't even aware there was
>> a difference). Order new modem....still in the mail.
Not a SuSE issue. It's a problem with Winmodem manufacturers, not SuSE or
even Linux.
>>
>> Moving on, I try to install X with Sax. As soon as I fire up Sax, my
>> mouse cursor pegs at the top of the screen then randomly jumps around
>> the screen with mouse movement. Now here's the thing: the mouse
>> initially installed fine with gpm. In fact when in text mode, I can
>> use the mouse to move the curor around. But as soon as Sax fires up,
>> "something" happens and it destroys whatever set it up it had so even
>> exitting Sax, the mouse no longer works.
YaST offers 3 different methods of X configuration.
SaX has never been very good (IMnsHO). Personally, I always use xf86config.
It's not pretty, it has no GUI. It just asks the questions in a text only
way, and tends to word flawlessly every time.
Did you bother to try XF86Setup and xf86config?
They're offered as alternatives BECAUSE sometimes one of them doesn't work
and the others do.
>> Anyway, the whole point of this long diatribe (besides the specific
>> questions) is to simply ask: what happened to SuSE? Is this version
>> particularly bug-prone or did I just luck out the first time around?
>>
You had an awkward hardware setup. Nothing more. I have a very old setup
(P90, S3 Virge 64+, soundblaster 16, etc), which means things tend to be
VERY well supported....
New hardware always takes longer to filter down to us linux users due to
lack of manufacturer support and tech information.
This is beginning to change, and with the release of Xfree86 4.0, this
should ease these problems dramatically.
And remember, SuSE 6.2 was released over 6 months ago, which means hardware
support with be more behind than the later distros, like SuSE 6.3 for
example. In this case, downloading a few patches or new driver modules may
be inevitable.
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From: Duane Evenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: AOpen .. Lothar
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 07:22:13 -0700
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I'm familiar with the FM56-P as I was trying to find out if my FM56-H was a
winmodem. The P is the successor to the H and they share the same chipset,
Rockwell's RLVDL56DPF/SP. AOpen called their FM56-P a controller-less modem
(Winmodem). The FM56-PVS has the TI TMS320X2APJ chipset, a different beast. Check
out AOpen's web pages:
FM56-P Data Sheet
MM FAQs-F/M, FM56-P (where AOpen answers your question)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > I am using Mandrake 7 and I have an AOpen FM56-P (which I believe
> >is NOT a winmodem) ... the manufacturer says that it's not
> >Linux-compatible; however, when I went out to buy anAOpen FM 56K/ITU-2
> >ISA internal yesterday, the salesperson told me that he is using the
> >FM56-P on Mandrake 7, and it works fine for him!! ... he said he used
> >Lothar ... I tried it last night .. but still Lothar shows no modem
> >whatsoever ...
> >
> > Has anyone done it successfully?? .. or do I need a more updated
> >Lothar (I have the Jan version)??
>
> I have a AOpen FM56-PVS (or something like that) and I think that it's
> great. I've had no problem, just set it for com2 and it works fine. Try using
> minicom to see if the modem is working, that way you can change the speed and
> port quickly and easily to check.
>
> -John
>
> ps. try /dev/ttyS0 for com1, ttyS1 for com2 not /dev/modem since it may not be
> linked correctly, then $ln /dev/ttyS? /dev/modem when you get it working if
> you really want to.
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I'm familiar with the FM56-P as I was trying to find out if my FM56-H was
a winmodem. The P is the successor to the H and they share the same chipset,
Rockwell's RLVDL56DPF/SP. AOpen called their FM56-P a controller-less modem
(Winmodem). The FM56-PVS has the TI TMS320X2APJ chipset, a different beast.
Check out AOpen's web pages:
<br><a href="http://english.aopen.com/products/modem/fm56p.htm">FM56-P
Data Sheet</a>
<br><a href="http://english.aopen.com/tech/faq/modem/fm56-p.htm#Linux Operation
System">MM
FAQs-F/M, FM56-P</a> (where AOpen answers your question)
<br>
<br>
<p>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>> I am using Mandrake 7 and I have
an AOpen FM56-P (which I believe
<br>>is NOT a winmodem) ... the manufacturer says that it's not
<br>>Linux-compatible; however, when I went out to buy anAOpen FM 56K/ITU-2
<br>>ISA internal yesterday, the salesperson told me that he is using the
<br>>FM56-P on Mandrake 7, and it works fine for him!! ... he said he used
<br>>Lothar ... I tried it last night .. but still Lothar shows no modem
<br>>whatsoever ...
<br>>
<br>> Has anyone done it successfully?? .. or do I need
a more updated
<br>>Lothar (I have the Jan version)??
<p> I have a AOpen FM56-PVS (or something like that)
and I think that it's
<br>great. I've had no problem, just set it for com2 and it works fine.
Try using
<br>minicom to see if the modem is working, that way you can change the
speed and
<br>port quickly and easily to check.
<p>
-John
<p>ps. try /dev/ttyS0 for com1, ttyS1 for com2 not /dev/modem since it
may not be
<br>linked correctly, then $ln /dev/ttyS? /dev/modem when you get it working
if
<br>you really want to.</blockquote>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Panteltje)
Subject: Does Linux (2.0.30) work with AGP graphic cards?
Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2000 14:37:34 GMT
Just got a k6-2, running my old harddisk.\No way can I get other graphics then
VGA16 with my S3Trio3D/2X, downloading xfree.4 (yes its on www.xfree.org),
that seems to support it.
HOWEVER this is an AGP card?
Cannot find anything on AGP in the kernel sources.
Does the BIOS handle this?
Or do I have to start writing it ?
Jan
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From: "Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi? vi or vim? Deathmatch!
Date: 18 Mar 2000 14:10:32 +0000
Reply-To: "Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kenny McCormack) writes:
> Emacs is simply the MS of Unix - the line between OS and app is totally
> blurred. And everything is fine as long as you do everything their way.
> Which is fine, ... for most people.
ITYM "killer app". HTH.
> But not for hackers/Chinese restaurant types - who like to pick and
> choose their tools.
Cut the crap. Whatever a 'Chinese restaurant type' is I dunno, but maybe
they're suited to the pick-&-choose approach. Real hackers write their
*own* tools.
In Emacs Lisp.
~Tim
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 18 Mar 2000 14:50:14 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: It was the 8 Mar 2000 18:41:53 GMT...
: ...and Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> I think that where "racism" ( for want of a better word ) kicks in is
:> in the "networking". It's simply easier to "network" with your own race.
:> ( Women have the same problem in male dominated industries btw ) This
:> problem is extremely subtle and also somewhat self-perpetuating. It's
:> precisely the kind of thing that affirmative action was designed to
:> ( but often fails to ) address.
: *completely OT!*
: Someone recently explained it to me, but I forgot it in the meantime:
: what is affirmative action again?
In theory: taking positive steps to make sure qualified minority
candidates are recruited, so as to promote fairness and equality in
the workplace.
In practice: a quota system that forces the hire and promotion of any
available minority candidates, whether qualified or not, reinforcing
two of the false beliefs that the ruling elites use to justify racism
in the first place: (a) that people with different color skin should
not be treated equally, and, even worse, (b) that minorities *cannot*
succeed without special help from "Massa."
I agree with affirmative action in the former sense, but most
assuredly not the latter. Institutionalized racism, of which today's
so-called "affirmative action" is a small but important part, is by
design both self-perpetuating and self-reinforcing. It is getting
worse, and will keep getting worse until root causes are examined and
addressed.
Joe
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: 18 Mar 2000 14:56:42 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy JEDIDIAH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: On 17 Mar 2000 21:58:11 GMT, Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>On 17 Mar 2000 18:55:45 GMT, Ian Mac Lure wrote:
:>>In comp.os.linux.misc Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>>: On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 02:27:35 GMT, Christopher Browne wrote:
:>> I have no idea what property goes for in rural Ireland though.
:>
:>I'm from Australia. WHen I lived there a 3 yrs ago, I could get a place
:>about 1k from the middle of the city (Melbourne)for $54 per week ( ie $108
:>total for a two bedroom apartment ) Keep in mind that this is Australian
:>dollars ( so it's about $75/week US )
: 1K from city center may or may not be a good thing...
In the U.S. it's usually bad because that is where the high-crime
ghetto tends to begin (the exact distance varies based on the size and
geography of the city).
The same is not necessarily true of cities outside the U.S.
Joe
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