Linux-Misc Digest #882, Volume #27 Thu, 17 May 01 03:13:01 EDT
Contents:
Re: WP Office2000/Hancom Office/Applixware? (Michael Perry)
Re: Crash iwth 9679 Nvidia driver ("grendel")
Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes ("grendel")
Re: Interrupt conflict between PS/2 mouse and pcmcia controller on (Glitch)
Re: Datachute-PCI Slimscsi 1480 (David Hinds)
Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes (Dean Thompson)
Re: OPENSSH SFTP (Dominik Rudisch)
Re: Star Office -- I give up (Michael Heiming)
Re: GNOME RPMs (steve)
Re: Linux as voicemail system? (rdh)
bANNER aDDS ("Earl Basham")
Re: can't read mounted fd0 or hda1 (Allan Adler)
kernel compile (Jason Hudson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Subject: Re: WP Office2000/Hancom Office/Applixware?
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 05:15:01 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 16 May 2001 16:14:24 -0700, Christopher R. Carlen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I started with WP5.1 for DOS. I agree with those who assert it was the
> best word processor ever. WP 5.2 for Win 3.1 was very unstable. WP 7.0
> for Linux was marginally stable, and very buggy. I also bought
> Applixware 3.5 or so for Linux, which has always been stable, but is too
> weak on features to use for a job I need to do now. (Actually I could
> have probably done the job with Applix's limited features in the time I
> wasted battling with Star Office's bugs.)
>
> Now I have tried Star Office 5.2 for Linux, and it is so unstable and is
> such a struggle to get it to print, that I have given up on it.
> Featurewise it is quite good. Interface is a bit disorganized and
> complex, but the problem is the crashes and some serious printing bugs I
> have posted in another thread. If these problems are the fault of my
> Linux distro, and not Star Office, I'd like to work that all out
> sometime, but I don't have time for that now.
>
> I am now considering three alternative office packages for Linux:
> Applixware 5.0, Corel WordPerfect Office 2000, and Hancom Office 1.2.
>
> Hancom is probably not very well developed yet, but I will probably try
> the eval. I have been disappointed by stability and bugs in WordPerfect
> in the past, but it may be worth while now. Applixware has never let me
> down, but there isn't an eval for the new version. It isn't very
> expensive. Perhaps I will just buy it.
>
> Any comments appreciated.
> --
> _______________________
> Christopher R. Carlen
> Sr. Laser/Optical Tech.
> Sandia National Labs
WordPerfect Office 2000 will install WINE on your system. These
applications including coreldraw and photopaint require the WINE layers to
even run. I disliked my experience intensely with office 2000 but ymmv.
Check out the news groups/forums and see what others have faced even getting
them installed on non debian distributions. Corel will probably never do
another thing to these applications. On redhat 6.2, I struggled for awhile
with getting their rather rediculous fonttastic font server to run. On
debian, I particularly disliked how the applications wanted to be on top all
the time and the screens would scramble as soon as they were resized.
You could also try koffice in kde2.
If the problem is with your distribution and not StarOffice, it would be
good to know now, I would think. I don't know where the problem is likely
to exist for you using SuSE 7.1. Have you signed up for the suse mailing
list? I was a longtime reader and lurker in that group and it had a great
blend of gurus, SuSE folks, and users.
But the real thing, as you have so aptly mentioned in your other 4 or 5
posts on the same subject is that you cannot find a tool to do a job you
need to get done quickly. If the tool is non-existant in Linux at the
moment, what will you do? For me, the tools that Linux provides work. My
choice of distribution is debian but I run at the unstable level because I
like the approach it has. Perhaps you should rethink your own approach and
build a better and more competitive philosophy to getting your work done.
Put bluntly, I understand you have used Linux for a long time. Thats great!
To me, this is all about getting work done and being productive. You are
not being productive because the tools that exist in Linux do not work for
some reason. Why not find an adequate tool and use it? That tool could be
a tool which runs under dos-emu, wine, vmware, or win4lin. Then get the
work done, relax, and enjoy using an operating system which lets you boot
other operating systems as mere applications.
--
Michael Perry
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "grendel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.comp.periphs.videocards.nvidia,alt.linux,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.x,comp.windows.x.i386unix
Subject: Re: Crash iwth 9679 Nvidia driver
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 05:01:02 GMT
It's an Asus 7700 Geforce 2 GTS Pure 64 meg. Works great when using nv
driver though. I've tryed all the options like IgnoreEDID and NvAGP, etc.
There was the BIOS thing I think you mentioned about disabling the refresh
of the video BIOS or something when X starts. It wasn't a valid option when
loading the driver via modprobe. Not sure if it was invalid when put in
modules.conf as an option. Didn't look for an error message. Anyway if the
code in the sources has to be changed to change this option and it may fix
the problem then let me know.
"Ya!Right!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9LHM6.11033$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> What card is that?
> GForce, TNT or TNT2?
> grendel wrote:
>
> > WIth SuSE 7.0 running the NVidia driver from Nvidia (with AGP disabled
via
> > the NvAGP "0" option) I try to start X with startx I get a black screen
> > and have to hit Ctrl-Alt-F1. The last thing is "Write-combing range" in
> > Xfreelog. I get the error "Unable to handle kernel paging request at
> > virtual
> > address 0000400b" when I do dmesg. Any ideas? I've read all readme's
and
> > Howto's.
> >
> >
> >
>
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From: "grendel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 05:04:42 GMT
I think the network card powers down after awhile and that's what's
happening. Could this cause the loss of DNS settings. (meaning it changed
resolv.conf) This stopped working while using this and sometimes it works in
the GUI so it's not a run level issue. All I can think is a lower down
issue. This happens on the same machine (network card powers down) if I
leave it alone for awhile.
"Dean Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Hi!,
>
> > I do not run a DHCP server. I am a client not a server. I can not put in
> > the server in debug mode since it's sitting at my ISP.
>
> But of course you could put your dhcp client into debug mode couldn't you
?
>
> See ya
>
> Dean Thompson
>
> --
>
+____________________________+____________________________________________+
> | Dean Thompson | E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|
> | Bach. Computing (Hons) | ICQ - 45191180
|
> | PhD Student | Office - <Off-Campus>
|
> | School Comp.Sci & Soft.Eng | Phone - +61 3 9903 2787 (Gen. Office)
|
> | MONASH (Caulfield Campus) | Fax - +61 3 9903 1077
|
> | Melbourne, Australia |
|
>
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:26:14 -0400
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Interrupt conflict between PS/2 mouse and pcmcia controller on
I just changed the ordering of the PCMCIA script and the script that
loads the mouse stuff, so that the mouse loaded first and grabbed IRQ12
before the PCMCIA stuff could. I changed the ordering in /sbin/init.d/.
This was a few years ago in a Toshiba satellite 200CDS laptop so my
'fix' for the problem may be a little off but i remember for a fact I
got the mouse driver to load first so it grabbed irq12 and that made
pcmcia drivers have to grab antoher irq.
Leonard Evens wrote:
>
> I have been struggling with a recalcitrant problem on my Winbook
> XL which uses a TI PCI1131 pcmcia controller. The 2.4.2 kernel
> which comes with RedHat 7.1 uses kernel modules to support
> pcmcia, and the module yenta_socket.o has been completely rewritten.
>
> In the 2.4.2 version, when pcmcia is started, it assigns irq 12
> to the controller, but that is the irq normally reserved for the
> PS/2 mouse. The kernel doesn't realize this because of reasons
> I'm not sure I understand, but it has something to do with the
> interrupt not being used unless the mouse is in use. The upshot
> of the problem is that the mouse and the keyboard (which uses the
> same controller as the PS/2 mouse) hang because of the interrupt
> conflict. In console mode, gpm hangs the mouse and keyboard
> if pcmcia has been started. Even if you stop pcmcia, that doesn't
> solve the problem because the pcmcia controller still keeps
> the interrupt. If you start X, mouse and keyboard hang.
>
> With quite a lot of help from David Hinds, I've found
> tentatively that the following seems to work. Pass an IRQ mask
> to the kernel with
> pci=irqmask=0x8fff
> This excludes irqs 12, 13, and 14 and forces yenta_socket to choose
> 15. You can pass this to the kernel directly by entering
> at the lilo prompt
> linux pci=irqmask=0x8fff
> or you can add the following line to /etc/lilo.conf
> in the image section for the linux kernel
> apppend="pci=irqmask=0x8fff"
> and then run lilo.
>
> I originally tried masking off just 12, but for some reason I
> don't understand, I encountered a problem with hda although it
> also appeared to assign irq 15 to the pcmcia controller.
>
> I hope this actually fixes the problem and I hope other people with
> Winbook laptops will try it to see if it works and/or if other
> problems crop up.
>
> This problem may already have been fixed in the 2.4.4 kernel.
> I will try to find out.
>
> Some other people have reported possibly related problems with
> the PS/2 mouse under RH7.1. I suspect something similar is going on,
> but I don't know what.
>
> --
>
> Leonard Evens [EMAIL PROTECTED] 847-491-5537
> Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208
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From: David Hinds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Datachute-PCI Slimscsi 1480
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.portable,comp.os.linux.setup
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 05:27:36 GMT
In comp.os.linux.portable [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I got linux to recongize my datachute-pci card adatper. When I insert my adaptec
> Slimscsi card I get the following error.
> initializing socket 0
> unsupported card in socket 0
> cs: no valid ROM images found!
What were the startup messages from the PCMCIA drivers?
-- Dave
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From: Dean Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: No DNS with DHCP sometimes
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:43:33 +1000
Hi Grendel,
> I think the network card powers down after awhile and that's what's
> happening. Could this cause the loss of DNS settings. (meaning it changed
> resolv.conf) This stopped working while using this and sometimes it works
> in the GUI so it's not a run level issue. All I can think is a lower down
> issue. This happens on the same machine (network card powers down) if I
> leave it alone for awhile.
Sounds like you might have to disable the power management facilities in your
BIOS. There might be a way of disabling just the power down on the LAN card.
However, it might be more beneficial to just disable all your APM support in
the BIOS.
See ya
Dean Thompson
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+____________________________+____________________________________________+
| Dean Thompson | E-mail - [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
| Bach. Computing (Hons) | ICQ - 45191180 |
| PhD Student | Office - <Off-Campus> |
| School Comp.Sci & Soft.Eng | Phone - +61 3 9903 2787 (Gen. Office) |
| MONASH (Caulfield Campus) | Fax - +61 3 9903 1077 |
| Melbourne, Australia | |
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From: Dominik Rudisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: at.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: OPENSSH SFTP
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 05:51:58 GMT
dubcaller wrote:
> Is Putty pretty much the best one?
Well, theres also SecureCRT, but thats commercial stuff. putty is
Freeware AFAIK, at least for private use (dunno, but i guess you have
to pay a license fee for commercial use...)
HTH,
Tom
--
Madam, there's no such thing as a tough child - if you
parboil them first for seven hours, they always come out tender.
-- W. C. Fields
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Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:08:15 +0200
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Star Office -- I give up
Chris Carlen wrote:
>
> Michael Heiming wrote:
> >
> > "Christopher R. Carlen" wrote:
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > Good luck Sun developers, I hope you folks can get SO to be a stable
> > > program some day. But you have a lot of work cut out for you it seems. I
> > > would even be willing to pay good money for SO if it worked well.
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > curious, SO never crashed on various machines I use/used it.
> >
> > Sure, you need a fast machine + plenty of RAM to be even able
> > to do something meaningful. Printer setup is a pain, there was
> > one version I had to setup some laser printer to get my HP 850 C
> > working, really strange. Perhaps, your soffice version/printer
> > has similar problems?
> >
> > Michael Heiming
>
> Interesting. If I get a lot of reports that Star Office is stable, then
> I may have to refocus suspicion on Suse 7.1 Linux. What distro do you
> use? Are you using SO 5.2?
I'm running SO 5.1/5.2 on SuSE Linux 7.0/7.1 & SUN Solaris on a bunch of
machines....
Michael Heiming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve)
Subject: Re: GNOME RPMs
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:29:16 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christian Rose):
>| steve wrote:
>| > >| > I wouldn't at this point recommend Ximian to anyone. Have you seen the
>| > >| > supported distro list?
>| > >|
>| > >| Yes. What's wrong with it?
>| > >|
>| > >| * Red Hat Linux 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0, and 7.1
>| > >| * SuSE 6.3, 6.4 and 7.0 on x86
>| > >| * Mandrake 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2
>| > >| * Debian GNU/Linux (Potato) on x86
>| > >| * LinuxPPC 2000
>| > >| * TurboLinux 6.0
>| > >| * Yellow Dog Linux Champion Server 1.2
>| >
>| > Wasn't that large a few weeks ago...
>|
>| I don't know if "by a few weeks ago" you mean before Ximian released
>| their GNOME 1.4 packages or when it was still GNOME 1.2, but this is
>| from their Ximian GNOME 1.4 release announcement, dated April 24th,
>| 2001:
>|
>| "Supported Platforms
>| -------------------
>|
>| Ximian GNOME 1.4 is available for most GNU/Linux distributions:
>|
>| . Red Hat Linux 6.0, 6.1, 6.2, 7.0 and 7.1
>| . Debian GNU/Linux Stable ("Potato")
>| . Mandrake 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2
>| . SuSE 6.3, 6.4 and 7.0
>| . TurboLinux 6.0
>| . LinuxPPC 2000
Yep for *most* not all and not one of the most popular being Caldera,
do you know why? If so I'd like to know. If it installs for Redhat why
not Caldera, as there isn't much difference between the two.
>| So those distros were all supported from day one of the Ximian GNOME 1.4
>| relase.
>|
>|
>| > Still, it won't install on any distro running XFce as of last week.
>|
>| Okay, I haven't used XFce, nor have I used a distro that ships with it.
>| XFce is not that common, that's probably why there are conflicts (I
>| doubt that it's on purpose :-)
Unless you have inside information, how can you comment on that? There
is no conflict - the Ximian net installer asks - no make that `tells'
one that the install cannot proceed until XFce is uninstalled. Now there
is no possibility of conflicts as the XFce relies on GTK not Gnome libs.
By naming XFce in the installer, it would kind of make the point that it
is on purpose, wouldn't you think?
Again after Ximian pulled the stunt on google, I wouldn't be so sure
that there motives are honourable in this instance, IMHO.
>| > >| > Also the installer asks one to do some strange things, like de-install
>| > >| > XFce before the install process can proceed.
>| > >| > There couldn't possibly be any legit reason for this as XFce doesn't use
>| > >| > any Gnome libs or interfere with Gnome in any way.
>| > >|
>| > >| Are you sure about this? Are you sure there are even no file conflicts?
>| > >| Are you sure your rpm database is healthy? Have you bug reported it?
>| > >
>| > Yes I'm sure. =) They know,
>|
>| Ok, fine. :-)
>|
>|
>| > and I'm troubled that they would do something like this,
>|
>| So you believe it's on purpose and it's a conspiracy?
I don't know, do you?
After the fiasco on Google...who knows? It's worth taking a look
at.
>| > it seems suspicious after the Google fiasco.
>|
>| Tell me about the google fiasco, I'm not sure I know about it.
Obviously not - for a period of time all/most references to KDE were
replace by links to Ximian Gnome.
>|
>| > >| > As far as I'm concerned Ximian with the google debacle, and now this, is
>| > >| > not a company I'd want open source to be associated with.
>| > >| >
>| > >| > FWIW, I went to SuSE's ftp site and downloaded their rpms.
>| > >|
>| > >| Wooha, that's funny, as SuSE is one of the companies I don't want free
>| > >| software associated with (see yast licensing and the constant iso
>| > >| delaying etc; all to "protect" their customers)
>| >
>| > Well at least they have Gnome rpms which I can't seem to find on the
>| > gnome site. <shrug>
>|
>| You cannot find rpms on ftp.gnome.org, as well as you cannot find deb
>| packages or slp packages. ftp.gnome.org has tarballs only.
>|
>| But that's about to change, and that's because a "GNOME Packaging
>| Project" has been launched. You can find it on
>| http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gpp/ . You could even contribute to
>| it, if you're handy with packaging... :-)
Why is the only link to download Gnome [from the Gnome site] to Ximian?
Would it have something to do with one of the leading developers of Gnome,
is now working for Ximian?
--
Steve - Toronto ICQ 35454764
Powered by GNU/Linux
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rdh)
Subject: Re: Linux as voicemail system?
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 06:15:22 GMT
On 17 May 2001 04:08:30 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank
McKenney) wrote:
>Thanks for the pointer. This looks like a full-fledged telephony
>system, and it's definitely interesting. Unfortunately, it's a bit
>high-powered for what I'm trying to do -- it requires a dedicated
>telephony adapter (e.g. Dialogic).
You're going to need one of those anyway, if you want your system to
keep the phone from ringing in certain cases. QuickNet's "Internet
LineJack" product is probably the most economical choice, and even
that will cost you nearly $300 (unless someone knows where to get it
for less; if so, let me know!). It works with Bayonne, and also
Asterisk [http://www.asteriskpbx.com/].
Note: I am not speaking from experience here, only from documentation
and product descriptions on the QuickNet, Bayonne, and Asterisk
websites.
--
Russell rdh at salug dot org
"I don't like the way typical females act. Neither do I like
the way typical males act. I loathe the vast majority of
humanity." --mdxi, K5
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From: "Earl Basham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: bANNER aDDS
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:42:46 +1200
i am using bannerfilter for squid which works great but does any one know
where i can get a list of banners to block it blocks alot but id like to
block more
thanks in advance
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Subject: Re: can't read mounted fd0 or hda1
From: Allan Adler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 17 May 2001 02:56:05 -0400
In an earlier posting, I asked why I can't read mounted dos partitions
such as fd0 or hda1 on a Dell laptop. I thought it might help if I
included some of the information provided by /var/log/messages.
First, df shows that fd0 and hda1 are mounted and how much free
space they have.
[bongo]# df
Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda3 2071416 507232 1458960 26% /
/dev/hda6 5289348 1436152 3584512 29% /usr
/dev/hda1 4088568 1175224 2913344 29% /c
/dev/fd0 1423 862 561 61% /a
Then I try to list the top directory of /dev/hda1:
[bongo]# ls /c
Segmentation fault
Then I look at /var/log/messages:
[bongo]# tail -f /var/log/messages
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at
virtual address 00000000
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: current->tss.cr3 = 005b4000, %cr3 = 005b4000
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: *pde = 00000000
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: Oops: 0000
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: CPU: 0
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: EIP: 0010:[<00000000>]
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: EFLAGS: 00010246
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: eax: 00000000 ebx: c0780bb0 ecx: c103d200 edx:
c15b8cc8
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: esi: c024c230 edi: c0780bb8 ebp: c024c230 esp:
c05b3f50
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: Process ls (pid: 1037, process nr: 62,
stackpage=c05b3000)
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: Stack: c0780bb0 00000000 c024c230 00000095 c103d200
c01318dc c103d200 00000095
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: c024c230 bfffecb8 000002d0 bfffeca8 c05b3f94
c406910c c103d200 00000095
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: bfffecb8 c05b3fbc c406925e c103d200 00000095
c05b2000 08058850 00000003
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: Call Trace: [iget+88/96]
[autofs:__insmod_autofs_O/lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0/fs/autofs.o_M3A7DE+-44788/76]
[autofs:__insmod_autofs_O/lib/modules/2.2.14-5.0/fs/autofs.o_M3A7DE+-44450/76]
[system_call+52/56]
May 13 12:43:20 bongo kernel: Code: <1>Unable to handle kernel NULL pointer
dereference at virtual address 00000000
It gets repetitive at that point....
If someone can figure out why I can't read fd0 or hda1, please let
me know. Thanks.
Allan Adler
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From: Jason Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: kernel compile
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 01:58:55 -0500
after recompiling my kernel what changes do i have to make to the boot
disk? just do a bzdisk?? or what?
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