Linux-Misc Digest #8, Volume #20 Sat, 1 May 99 14:13:10 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!! (thi)
Re: How to find amount of Free Disk Space (Jonas Pedersen)
Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the Linux-equivalents
for these Windoze programs? (James Lee)
Re: RedHat 6.0 (kernel-2.2 + glibc-2.1).. (ANDREW R. POST)
Re: CTRL-S (William Wueppelmann)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Computer virus threat to Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Question (William Wueppelmann)
Re: How to find amount of Free Disk Space (Ed Young)
Re: The Best Linux distribution? (was Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux) (Bill Vermillion)
Re: LINUX and DOS, network file shareing? (Frank McKenney)
Re: [SURVEY] Who has an internal modem in his linux box ? ("D. C. & M. V. Sessions")
Re: Good ISP that supports Linux (Twinson)
Re: please suggest a smaller WWW browser. (Muzh)
Re: Gnome Help ! ("hau")
No sound playing CD's ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Computer virus threat to Linux? (Tom Christiansen)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Peter Seebach)
linux to replace windoze machines ? (-bill-)
Re: Computer virus threat to Linux? (Tom Christiansen)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Peter Seebach)
Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!! (Jeffrey C. Dege)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Peter Seebach)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
From: thi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!!
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 15:35:26 GMT
Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Which brings me to my next point. What effect on the Computer
> Science community does this have? A lot of professors are going
> to work for MS on their research "campus", so now there'll be a
> shortage of instructors teaching computer science. But this can
> be a good thing also, since it will create more jobs for aspiring
> computer science professors.
the reality is that those versed in cs now must constantly teach,
whether or not they aspire to that profession. the same economic lure
used for professors works for would-be professors and even would-be
students. witness declining enrollment in cs as high school (and
younger) students trade off investment in fundamental cs understanding
for drawing a paycheck larger than their parents'.
the overall effect of proprietization of professors on the cs community
is to fracture the shoulders of giants. i suppose there is some comfort
in knowing that this phase of history is nearing its end.
thi
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From: Jonas Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to find amount of Free Disk Space
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:47:25 +0000
Bryan Gaetjens wrote:
> OK, bash me for being stupid if you like, but I'm at a loss.
>
> How do you determine the amount of free space left on a disk under
> Linux???????
>
> Bryan
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Remove 'NOSPAM' to reply.
You can use the command df, and it will be displayed in number of free
bytes. If you type df -h it will be human readable ;)
Jonas
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From: James Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux still isn't my standard boot-up OS, or what are the
Linux-equivalents for these Windoze programs?
Date: 1 May 1999 11:40:54 -0500
Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I have to see that as a failure of the editor designers. Windows does
: have recommended standardization, and makes it easier to design
: a standard app than one that works differently, but it in no way
: enforces this. An interface could be designed in any way desired
: under Windows, and many apps do use alternative methods
: (mostly alternative GUI interfaces, but anything is possible)
: There are VI clones for Windows as well (can't recommend one;
: VI is not my idea of a good editor. But to each his own).
I started using vi clones on dos/windows a few years back. Very small
ones that takes a few Ks. Very nifty. Then later ones like elvis and
vim become more sophisticated. And then I stumbled on gvim, and the
colors in it blows me off. I was looking to switch to emacs one day
because of the color coding which is very useful in tex and programs,
etc, and now that gvim has them, it is getting me stuck in vi!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ANDREW R. POST)
Subject: Re: RedHat 6.0 (kernel-2.2 + glibc-2.1)..
Date: 1 May 1999 16:44:09 GMT
I haven't been convinced that glibc-2.1 has been adequately tested for
compatibility with applications. StarOffice, for example, won't run with
glibc-2.1. I wonder what other apps have similar problems. I'm biased too
because I had a lot of problems with Red Hat 5.1, which was the first
fully glibc-based distro. There's a good reason why other distributions
are waiting a bit before they move to glibc-2.1: they prefer to let Red
Hat users be the guinea pigs. :)
Andrew Post
Do-Hoon Kwon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hello,
: Now that RedHat 6.0 is hitting the mirror sites,
: is there a good reason to upgrade RedHat 5.2 + Kernel-2.2
: to RH 6.0? Would glibc-2.1 make it worthwhile?
: Thanks.
: Do-Hoon Kwon
: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: CTRL-S
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:45:27 GMT
In our last episode (30 Apr 1999 15:36:53 +0100),
the artist formerly known as Jonas said:
>Stu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> I've noticed that within a virtual console CTRL-S disables the keyboard.
>> I am sure this is not a bug, so what is its purpose. I can only think
>> that it could be to lock the console for whilst away from the keyboard,
>> but if so how do you unlock it ?
>
>I'm not sure exactly what the purpose of it is, but whilst messing
>around with it, I found that pressing CTRL-Q sends whatever you typed
>after CTRL-S to the console. Pressing CTRL-C after CTRL-S seems to
>cancel the CTRL-S situation and returns you to your normal prompt.
>
>Anybody know what this is for? Is it just for some sort of keyboard
>capture or delayed command entry?
It suspends and resumes flow to the terminal. IIRC, whatever you type gets
put in a queue, and the terminal reads from the queue. When you suspend
flow, the terminal stops reading from the queue, but the server can still
keep filling the queue up. When you resume flow, the terminal continues to
read.
I assume that it was probably done originally so that you could pause a
free scrolling display so you could read it a page at a time. Sort of a
hardware implementation of more(1). Presumably, it's outlived its
usefulness, since the speed at which data is output or transmitted is far
to great to read without some kind of software pager. But I seem to
remember reading text over 300 and 1200 baud modem connections and using
the same sort of pause feature, where you'd let a screenful of data appear
on your screen (1200 baud is slow enough that it takes a few seconds to
fill an entire screen), then turn the flow off, read what was there, turn
the flow back on, and then let it continue with the next screenful. Or, if
you were just skimming the text, at 1200 baud you could basically let it
free scroll.
Of course, that was a long time ago, and maybe I'm remembering things
differently from what they really were.
--
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You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
Date: 1 May 1999 12:33:17 GMT
In the sacred domain of comp.os.linux.misc didst bob@nospam eloquently scribe:
: This how do you explain that windows, the more used commercial software,
: sucks by any standard, while Gnu software is much higher quality?
Perhaps it's got more to do with HOW and WHO wrote it, than the WHY it was
written.
M$ is shite. Plain and simple.
Another software company that sells its wares may produce GOOD, relatively
bug free software with good support.
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| Finalist in:- | "THAT WOULD BE AN ECUMENICAL MATTER!...FECK!!!! |
| Computer Science | - Father Jack in "Father Ted" |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Computer virus threat to Linux?
Date: 1 May 1999 12:44:06 GMT
In his obvious haste, Matthew B. Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
: Are there any threats to Linux systems from computer virii?
If there ARE any linux Virii, the only real risk is if they're executed by
root.
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| Andrew Halliwell | operating system originally coded for a 4 bit |
| Finalist in:- |microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that|
| Computer Science | can't stand 1 bit of competition. |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Wueppelmann)
Subject: Re: Question
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:45:29 GMT
In our last episode (30 Apr 1999 14:52:53 GMT),
the artist formerly known as Rizwan Syed said:
>
> Hello Guys and gals,
> I'm somewhat of a newbie with Linux, and probably
> have a newbie question. I need a quick answer so if someone could
> email me please. I need to find out how to make files invisible
> or 'hidden' in linux. If anyone knows, please let me know at your
> earliest convenience.
There is generally no need to 'hide' files in Linux: if you don't want
other people looking at the file, change the file permissions so that only
you have read access (see the chmod(1) command). If you don't want anyone
to know that the file even exists, put it in a directory and change the
directory's permissions (using chmod) so that nobody but you has read or
execute permissions. (try "chmod 700 directoryname") If your goal is to
protect the contents of the file from prying eyes, this is the proper way
to do it, and it's much, much more reliable than just trying to hide them.
Of course, you can't hide a file from anyone with root access.
A file whose name begins with a dot (like ".file") is treated differently
from other files by most shells and some other programs. It won't be
included in a file glob, so if you issue the command "rm *", the file
".file" won't be deleted (but if you issue the command "rm .*", it will).
The ls utility doesn't list dotfiles by default (but it will list them if
you use the -a or -A option). Dotfiles are usually used for configuration
files like .bashrc so that you don't have to wade through a whole mess of
config files every time you list the directory. You can also use them to
protect the file from routine housecleaning operations.
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It is pitch black.
You are likely to be spammed by a grue.
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From: Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to find amount of Free Disk Space
Date: 1 May 1999 16:49:25 GMT
Bryan Gaetjens wrote:
>
> OK, bash me for being stupid if you like, but I'm at a loss.
>
> How do you determine the amount of free space left on a disk under
> Linux???????
df
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Crossposted-To: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: The Best Linux distribution? (was Re: FreeBSD vs. Linux)
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:20:54 GMT
In article <7fjq2b$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
david parsons <o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>: Oh, yeah, those are on a linux box. Not surprising there's no
>>: manpage for cua, because the cua devices don't exist on Linux.
>>Let's look into this...
>> bsd% man 4 tty | wc -c
>> 16514
>> linux% man 4 tty | wc -c
>> 1674
>>Can you say "order of magnitude"? I thought so. :-)
>>I rest my case.
> And your case is? That the BSD development teams need an
> editor to clean up the manpages? Really, you could have just
> said it outright instead of hiding it behind a half-hearted
> linux complement.
Take a look at those man pages. There isn't much that could be
taken out of the BSD pages if you want anything useable. I felt
the implication was that the Linux was very undocumented.
The docs look identical to my printed 4.4BSD manuals from the
Usenix/OReilly work.
--
Bill Vermillion bv @ wjv.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Frank McKenney)
Subject: Re: LINUX and DOS, network file shareing?
Date: 1 May 1999 16:57:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lloyd Weehuizen)
writes:
>I'm just wondering if anybody knows of software that will allow LINUX
>and >DOS to mount each others drives over a network? I'm sure there
>must be a NFS >mount program for DOS, and if possible some way of the
>LINUX machines seeing >the DOS drive??
Lloyd,
Using Samba with DOS, Win3.x or OS/2
http://huizen.dds.nl/~jacco2/samba/index.html
Some of the URLs no longer work, but it'll give you a little background.
I tried checking the MS site (www.microsoft.com) to see if I could
locate the client itself, but I couldn't even find any references to
DOS. It is possible that someone more familiar with the site, or more
time and patience, could find it.
Hope this helps a bit...
Frank McKenney, McKenney Associates / OS2BBS OS/2 Advisor
Richmond, Virginia (804) 320-4887
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / TalkLink: WZ01123
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From: "D. C. & M. V. Sessions" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [SURVEY] Who has an internal modem in his linux box ?
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 10:00:14 -0700
David Guyon Martin wrote:
>
> Do you have an internal modem working with linux ?
Yup.
> Is there any trouble or dissadvantage ?
Good thing it has a switch to kill PnP
> What kind of modem is it: constructor, series, ... ?
Wisecom Accelerator Pro 56K
--
| Microsoft: "A reputation for releasing inferior software will make |
| it more difficult for a software vendor to induce customers to pay |
| for new products or new versions of existing products." |
+---------- D. C. & M. V. Sessions <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----------+
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From: Twinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Good ISP that supports Linux
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:58:53 +0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Good ISP doesn't recognize any computer except the PPP connection and
TCP/IP protocol that the machine uses to talk to ISP.
Good Jet wrote:
>
> Can anyone suggest a good ISP that supports Linux? I am in the LA area and
> would like unlimited access with no set up fee, a good news feed and a UNIX
> shell account.
>
> Thanks.
>
> J
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From: Muzh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: please suggest a smaller WWW browser.
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 20:02:08 +1200
Actually, I see a lot of pictures using Lynx. Just run it in an xterm,
and when you open a picture link then ee or xv will display the
picture!! :)
"Pedro R. Andrade" wrote:
>
> You may always use lynx. You'll see no pictures though.
>
> Pedro Andrade
>
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From: "hau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.linux,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,linux.redhat.rpm,nl.comp.os.linux,nl.comp.os.linux.installat
Subject: Re: Gnome Help !
Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 01:58:07 +0800
it can be either .xinitrc, .xsession, .xclient (the dot in front of the file
is important)
if not sure just at to all of that, depend on your envirorment,
if you use graphical login it maybe .xsession or .xclient
John van der Zanden wrote in message <7gcosu$3he$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Unpacked all gnome packages without serious problems, but what to do now ??
>the manual says this
>
>To start gnome, you must edit the X startup files. (which one and how ?)
>a sample x startup file using gnome-session follows:
>#!/bin/bash
>exec gnome-session
>## end sample
>the default Gnome session configuratio file is
>/usr/share/gnome/default.session. The user gnome session is
>$HOME/.gnome/session.
>
>All nice and well, but what must i do ? I dont have any clue what this all
>means as i am a NEWBIE !!
>Which file must i edit and what should i put in it ??
>
>
>John
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: No sound playing CD's
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 17:54:36 GMT
I'm a newbie and I've followed the procedure as far as configuring my sound
card, and can hear the sound sample given, but when I attempt to play a CD
I'm getting no sound. Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance...
Allan
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From: Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Computer virus threat to Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Christiansen)
Date: 1 May 1999 12:00:39 -0700
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
In comp.os.linux.misc, "Matthew B. Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:At my place of work, there are constant worries about .DOC files (Word
:files) being infected with macro viruses (thanks Tom, for the grammer
:correction). In theory, this type of virus is not limited to platform.
Does any remember the old modeline scare? In ex (or vi, the "ex" programs
SUI or screen- user-interface), if the top or bottom N lines looked like
they contained "vi" or "ex", these would be automatically executed.
Evi Nemeth, a compsci professor at Boulder and author of a well-known
sysadmin book, once had a very bad experience with this. She ran the
vipw command as root, and her login entry ("evi:....") was enough to
trigger modeline execution. It was a bad thing.
In nvi, this has been "fixed" in that it you try to set modelines, it says
set: the modeline option may never be turned on.
But in vim, it appears to work, for potentially unpleasant values of
work. :-)
--tom
--
Supercomputer - a computer that can complete an endless loop in under 5 minutes
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 22:06:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>What do you get for your tradeoff when using Windows???...
Video games, support from a lot more vendors, and an arguably more convienent
installer. (I personally don't think it's as flexible, but it *is* awfully
convenient. When it works at all.)
You get a big company promising that they really will, within a decade or
two, fix your bug.s
>The only advantage i could think would be that you'd have to pay less taxes,
>because you've got to pay money for windows....
Doesn't help in most cases.
Windows has a much larger variety of application software out for it, this
year. That's a trade-off. It's not one I generally want to make.
-s
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From: -bill- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux to replace windoze machines ?
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 17:48:36 -0400
I am about (in 3 months, more or less) to implement a network.
I was planning to use windoze machines, but I spent all day today to try
and get one to run.
I basically need to run Netscape Navigator at 1024 x 800 (or whatever
the correct description near that is) and 16 bit color and WordPerfect.
I read the HowTo and the FAQ, but I could not determine if I can support
a card at that resolution. I have not purchased the computers yet so I
have some choice in video cards.
Any thoughts and/or suggestions, including a link to where the
information is that I really should have found, would be appreciated
If you want to duplicate your reply to my email, that would be
appreciated but not necessary as I will be back.
--
-bill-
Technical Service Systems - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Computer virus threat to Linux?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Christiansen)
Date: 1 May 1999 07:55:55 -0700
[courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
In comp.os.linux.misc, "Matthew B. Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:Are there any threats to Linux systems from computer virii?
There is no word "virii", since there is no rule that takes "-us" to
"-ii". There is a rule that takes "-us" to "-uses", and I suggest you
use it by default, including for such words as virus and hippopotamus.
Classically, there are also rules that take "-us" to "-i" as in radius or
alumnus, to "-era" as in genus and opus, to "-ora" as in corpus, and to
"-Us" with a macron over the long "u" as in the ancient forms of status,
hiatus, apparatus, and prospectus. But there is simply no rule that takes
"-us" to "-ii".
The incomplete but simple answer to your simple question is a simple
"no". The best form a virus protection is to install Unix, whether it
be BSD, Linux, or some other flavor, all of which happily provide this
wonderful thing called access control and protection. In other words,
an operating system.
That being said, computer folklore suggests that historically there have
been two viruses to which Linux may have been vulnerable, but I don't
have any details. One cannot but imagine that they were running as the
superuser in order to circumvent the operating system's enforcements of
separation of powers.
You might also do some research into the Robert Morris worm, which
targetted only the Sun and Vax platforms. Exploits against setuid
programs are a well-known issue, particularly now that we have executable
stack pages, arguably not the cleverest of "innovations".
Binary intrusions are of limited effect in an environment populated
with diverse combinations of hardware and software platforms. If you
try to insinuate a bit of Wintel DNA into a Sparc running BSD, you will
quickly find yourself barking up the wrong tree with the wrong dog.
That's why it's a highly significant matter of National Security that
we *not* all run identical platforms, particularly in government work.
You wouldn't expect us to fill all of our wheat fields with clones of
each other, lest one particular virus destroy them all. In computing,
the same principle applies, and for the same reason.
Hybrid vigor is a good thing.
--tom
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hellish minions will be as *nothing* compared to five minutes alone with
me...and this pencil."
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Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 18:11:56 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yes you do get more video games, but that isn't a fair trade-off, if Linux would
>be in the position Windows is in they would all be Linux games. And any video
>game you play with Linux runs better, than it does under Windows, for which they
>are made....
That's a fair trade-off. Engineering includes acknowledging the state the
world is in now, whether or not things would be the same if they were
different.
:)
That's like saying "it's not fair to blame new poorly-understood structural
materials for failures we have with them". It is fair to blame the
"poorly-understood" part.
-s
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeffrey C. Dege)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Microsoft is the Communist!!!
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 14:00:38 GMT
On Sat, 01 May 1999 15:41:34 +0200, Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>The biggot: imagine_me wrote:
>
>> Wanting to buy and control every-fucking thing...
>> "... They spend billions(?) in research" Come fucking on... research of
>> what? Fucking win9x is not billions worth to develop... it's a piece of
>> shit!
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> The key word here is control.... MS wants it!
>> Linux frees your fucking spirit!
>
>aahhh it looks like we have a real moron on our hands here...i think you
>using the word commi says it all...real communism ( not what u americans
>think it is) gives you choices, real communism is based on discussion in
>which everybody has influence....and dont you think Redhat and Suse
>etc....want control, hey they would love to control the market...
Well, I'm not going to get into what is or isn't "real" communism, or
what Redhat or SUSE intend. But even us right-wing murricans recognize
that groups of individuals who want to pool their resources and live
in a collective, with communal ownership of property, have a perfectly
clear right to do so. We may have doubts about how well it might work,
but everyone has the God-given right to be a damn-fool.
Our primary complaint against communism, as it has been implemented in the
various nation-states, has been its irrevocable, non-consensual nature.
If people choose to live that way, great, as long as the retain the
right to change their mind. If they do not have that right, it's just
another form of tyrrany.
And as for the FSF - communism may very well be a good description of
its goals, or maybe communalism would be better. But for all of its
gift-culture ethos, collective effort, and communal control, it preserves
the most significant right, that of choice, the lack of which has been
the primary complaint of the US against the various communist states.
So suppose the GNU movement is communist in spirit? If you have the
free choice to participate or to not participate, why is it a problem?
--
We can found no scientific discipline, nor a healthy profession on the
technical mistakes of the Department of Defense and IBM.
-- Edsger Dijkstra
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 18:13:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Prins Olivier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>But you can do all those things With Linux too.
Many of them.
>and i still don't understand you saying
>windows is relatively inexpensive. Linux u can get for free, well you've got to
>pay the phone-bill but hey then just get cable.
Windows is still *relatively* inexpensive, as in, it's not very much of the
cost of the computer.
And, of course, there's a lot of freeware for Windows, too. They're still
way ahead on installed base and software selection, for a little while yet.
>And if u use Linux you dont have
>to buy a p III to get performance.
You don't for Windows, either. Now, you'll never get *as much* performance,
but often, that's okay.
-s
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