Linux-Misc Digest #52, Volume #20 Tue, 4 May 99 06:13:12 EDT
Contents:
Re: Can linux damage my hardware? (bklimas)
Re: fsck finds errors on HD (Mihaly Gyulai)
Re: Alpha Server + WinNT + DOS progs??? ("cpm")
Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really) (jik-)
Re: SUID games? What is RedHat doing? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
System crash, please help (soane)
Re: ssh for redhat 6.0 (Jason M. Lester)
Re: Linux's Last Chance (David Tansley)
Re: Linux's Last Chance (David Tansley)
Re: Backup with dd ("Daniel Thomas")
Re: Backup with dd ("Daniel Thomas")
Re: viewing Linux Xserver Xfree86 on NT ? ("Larry Brasfield")
APACS credit card system ("Clinton Gormley")
Re: SUID games? What is RedHat doing? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: bklimas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can linux damage my hardware?
Date: Mon, 03 May 1999 01:23:59 GMT
Hi Shaun:
In my opinion, computers do break. I can tell you a few stories of weird
hardware problems occuring under any operating system, but there is no
point. I don't think Linux can heal broken hardware, but it also does not
damage it in a malicious way.
Still if something like that happened to me it would make me think.
It could be either a coincidence, or perhaps a third factor that we you
are not aware. For example, is it hot or humid in your place?
Maybe you have water condensation on your hardware? Do you have
large temperature changes? Anything else unusual?
Best regards,
Stan
Shaun Schembri wrote:
> Here is my story....
>
> I decided to give Linux a try way back in August 1998 and installed Red
> Hat Linux 5.1. Everything worked fine and soon Linux become my default
> operating system replacing Win98. But in the last one and a half months
> two incidents happened and I am thinking to revert to that crap of
> Micro$oft Win98.
>
> So, about 6 weeks ago I booted as usual my Linux system (A P100 with a
> UMC chipset board and 32MB of RAM) and started a X Windows session with
> KDE 1.0. But the display started to work incorrectly. The mouse
> started to leave a white trail after it. So I decided to reboot my
> system. I shut it down as usual but the computer didn't reboot. After
> some inspection I decided that my video card (a Trident 9440 1Mb PCI)
> was faulty. So I replaced it and everything came back to normal.
>
> Until then I upgraded my system from Red Hat 5.1 to 5.2, the kernel from
> 2.0.36 to 2.2.5, the KDE from 1.0 to 1.1 and the XFree86 from 3.3.2 to
> 3.3.3.1. Last Monday I was writing a document using Star Office 5.0 and
> I was hearing some mp3 using X11amp. After about 1 hour of playing
> X11amp hanged and continued to repeat the same second of music. I
> restarted the program but the problem was still there. I rebooted my PC
> and loaded Win98 which reported my sound card was not working. After
> about 2hours troubleshooting the problem my reinstalling the drivers and
> moving it to another slot. The only answer was that the sound card (an
> OPTI 82C929 ISA) was faulty. Again a replacement solved the problem.
>
> Now here is my question. Was it a coincidence that both cards went
> bonkers while using Linux? I believe that I set the drivers correctly
> because I wouldn't have worked for the past 6 months. Finally my PC is
> almost 3 years old and never gave me this kind of problems while using
> Windows.
>
> If there is any logical answer for this dilemma please tell me as I
> really like Linux but I don't want to buy new cards every few months.
>
> Thanks for the patience.
> Shaun
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From: Mihaly Gyulai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: fsck finds errors on HD
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 06:19:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Hans Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Every time when 'fsck' reaches the max. count,
>> it always
>>finds many-many errors (lost clusters, inodes,...).
> I had a similar problem and it turned out to be bad RAM
> that lead fsck to report non-existing disk errors.
> You may want to run a memory check.
How can I do a memory check ?
--
Mihaly Gyulai
http://www.freeyellow.com/members5/gyulai/
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From: "cpm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions
Subject: Re: Alpha Server + WinNT + DOS progs???
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 02:01:21 +0200
[EMAIL PROTECTED] heeft geschreven in bericht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>On 1999-05-02 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> >Hi Everybody !
> >My question;
> >On my job I have a ALPHA server running UNIX,
> >is it possible to change that to a WinNT server running DOS
> >programs ??
>Why on earth would you want to?
No, No, No !!!!!!
It's company policy !
But indeed, I do not have much knowledge of unix.
what I know , it's a very good operating-system build on "C" and
you can build your own "commands".
It can do much more than DOS,but the fact is that (i'm just the system
administrator
the last two months) our company decided that we switch to Win-NT ,so now
I have two servers, one Alpha with one particular program and one Win-Nt
server
with another program, and it's all working fine !
So my boss asked me one day ...."THE QUESTION".....
I answered " HUH??" He said "WHAT DO YOU MEAN" and I said
"Well, I will post this question on some news-groups".
So, please don't blame me, but help me! {;))
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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 00:25:13 -0700
From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
talk.politics.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.activism,alt.society.liberalism
Subject: Re: The GNU Fragrance of Sharing vs. the Stench of Greed (was: GNU reeks of
Communism (really)
> > Including the lawyers because now they get to get paid.
>
> i don't see that. here it is again without the work proprietary, in
> case it wasn't perfectly clear.
>
> If I want to, say, use an IRC server that's GPLed, and add my
> extensions to it for conferences amongst my coworkers, I can't do
> that, now, can I?
>
> yes. you *can* add extensions.
>
> where do the lawyers come in?
They come in at the point when the owner of the copyright finds out that
you distributed modified forms of their work and did not GPL such
modified versions.
Not only do you have to take away the word proprietery, you MUST add the
word GPLed. The workes are free to distribute the modifications, and
you must provide them opertunity to get at the source code,...and all
other requirements of the GPL. So, simply stating the answer to the
person's question you would most certainly have to say "No, such an act
would be illegal."
> > As soon as you give it to a single person and your source was not
> > licenced under the GPL,....you have just violated the GPL licence.
>
> it would still be under the GPL. GPL doesn't mean you *have* to
> release it. it just says that if you do release a binary, you need to
> provide access to the source. if you never release anything, the GPL
> has nothing to say.
Well, giving copies to coworkers IS in fact distributing.
>
> if it never leaves your little group, it makes no difference if you
> choose to call it proprietary or not (it won't *be* proprietary since
> it's GPL'd but you can try to call it that), since it makes no
> difference. however, once it's left the premises, you can't get it
> back. courts will not agree that it would be proprietary.
I can't quite tell what your talking about here,...The GPL does not say
that you have to share your code, it only states that if you do, any
modifications and the program as a whole must be, and always are,
licenced under the GPL. I do not believe I ever tried to state
otherwise.
>
> > I didn't say it was a big problem,...but there is certainly some
> > compatability issues with any other free licence...fact is, the GPL is
> > not really free.
>
> i figure that the united states of america is a free country and does
> not restrict my freedom of movement or assembly. yet, if i bring my
> buddies, break into your house and throw a wild destructive kegger, i
> would be breaking the law and the state would step in and throw me in
> jail. freedom requires justice and responsibility. it's not anarchy.
Hmmmm, I can't tell if your being moronic on purpose or if your just an
idiot. Your statement has nothing whatsoever to do with anything else
and is in itself pretty pointless and stupid.
And if you think the USA is free, your probably pretty naieve.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.security.unix
Subject: Re: SUID games? What is RedHat doing?
Date: 4 May 1999 06:39:08 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Komar) writes:
>As far as the Quake ports go, your comments are probably fair.
Okay, I didn't even check to see if Quake was installed by default
on RedHat or not.
They've just been de-installed by default on all our systems when I
took svgalib out...
--
Lamont Granquist ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
ICBM: 47 39'23"N 122 18'19"W
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From: soane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: System crash, please help
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 03:17:18 GMT
Can someone explain this crash to me? This system has been rock solid since I
built it about four months ago. I was reading news in SLRN when I noticed the
system acting strange: junk started showing up in SLRN in an xterm and a text
console. vi gave a segmentation fault one second and worked the next.
I don't know what the following log is telling me. Does this look like a
hardware problem or something else?
Thanks.
My system:
Redhat 5.2, kernel 2.0.36 (stock Redhat; never recompiled)
AMD K6-2-350, 64MB PC100 RAM
The log:
kernel: general protection: 0000
kernel: CPU: 0
kernel: EIP: 0010:[put_page+8/36]
kernel: EFLAGS: 00010282
kernel: eax: 00608042 ebx: 0011b1a0 ecx: 00608042 edx: 401246de
kernel: esi: 401246de edi: 00000000 ebp: 0120a414 esp: 0178ff74
kernel: ds: 0018 es: 0018 fs: 002b gs: 002b ss: 0018
kernel: Process view (pid: 1395, process nr: 32, stackpage=0178f000)
kernel: Stack: 0011b31e 401246de 00608042 00111d8c 0120a414 01f0ee58 40124000
00000000
kernel: 00608042 00000000 00608000 00608042 00608040 0100ac18 00000002
0010ad28
kernel: 0178ffbc 00000004 4012ac84 00000000 08134208 bffff618 bffff621
bffff560
kernel: Call Trace: [do_no_page+382/776] [do_page_fault+284/732]
[error_code+64/72]
kernel: Code: 83 3a 00 74 13 6a 00 25 00 f0 ff ff 50 e8 b6 62 00 00 83 c4
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jason M. Lester)
Subject: Re: ssh for redhat 6.0
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 02:47:10 GMT
ftp.replay.com/pub/replay/redhat/test_rpms/
I had to use --nodeps to get one of them to install. Works fine
though.
Jason
On Mon, 3 May 1999 11:31:48 -0500, William Schwartz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Does anyone know of an rpm of ssh that works on redhat 6.0?
>
>Also need ssh for Redhat 5.2
>
>
>thanks
>Bill
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Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Tansley)
Subject: Re: Linux's Last Chance
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:22:19 GMT
Stephen Lewis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Well the first rule has to be "if it isn't broken don't fix it!"
:
: Sounds like you skipped the last bit about installing LILO. I did this on
: upgrading from RH5.1 to RH5.2 and got the same helpful message as the kernel
: has a version specific filename in RH. Try going back to the installation in
: expert mode for an upgrade and reinstall LILO. That should see you up and
: working.
Close, but no Havana. I did install Lilo when I upgraded. In fact, I've
installed LILO at every possible window or oppurtunity, with so many
different options and configurations that I could (and do) recite the doc
file in my sleep.
: > 4) Right, I'm nothing if not a glutton for punishment, so I decide that the
: > kernel must have some thing that disagrees with my system. Mmmmm, smells
: > like time for a kernel recompile folks. Reboot, reload with
: > non-ms-dos-vmlinuz kernel and try to recompile the kernel. I run the usual
: > config programs, run make dep etc, and try to compile the
: > kernel.....Successful? Ahem...sure.
: > For the first time ever, I get a segmentation fault about 5 minutes into
: > compiling.....*sob*
:
: Sound like your enthusiasm is getting the better of you. Perchance the nose
: damage affected your sense of smell. Go back to stage 1 and fix that problem
: first!
:
Seeing as the first problem invariably results in a locked up system, I
decided to skip it on the grounds that I could get into Linux with
Loadlin anyway....and at least then I could gaze upon Gnomic Finery!
It's an asthetic thing, I'm very easily excited.
: > I tried to reload linux with loadlin....Guess what? No way Jose. It seems
: > that the pressence of the McAfee "Scan.exe" program in my autoexec is
: > required before my system can boot linux. If anyone has ANY idea why this
: > might be, I would be genuinely grateful.....
: >
:
: Personally I can't see it. If scan.exe is on a DOS partition, it has nothing
: to do with the price of fish to a penguin.
:
Yup, my thoughts exactly. But, that doesnt change the fact that: with
scan.exe - linux boots, without scan.exe - Linux-pocalypse Now....if you
get my drift.
Maybe it monkeys with some memory gubbins or something?
: Let's hope we get to next week's exciting episode I certainly made fun
: reading.
Glad you're enjoying my misery :)
--
Dave
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Tansley)
Subject: Re: Linux's Last Chance
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 08:24:58 GMT
Steve D. Perkins ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: > Well, despite being won over by the sheer spangliness of Gnome...
:
: Out of curiosity, what does "spangliness" mean?!?
:
According to Dave's Big Book Of Made Up Words:
Spangliness - a property possesed by an object or entity that is spangly.
Possesed of much asthetic goodness. Funky, in a grooved up kind of way.
--
Dave
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From: "Daniel Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backup with dd
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:10:24 +1000
Just an idea, although I'm not familar with the NTFS structure.
Did you fully defragment the drive before using dd, if not there may have
been data that was further into the drive than you actuallt copied.
Just my thoughts anyway,
Hope this helps.
Daniel Thomas
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From: "Daniel Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backup with dd
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:10:24 +1000
Just an idea, although I'm not familar with the NTFS structure.
Did you fully defragment the drive before using dd, if not there may have
been data that was further into the drive than you actuallt copied.
Just my thoughts anyway,
Hope this helps.
Daniel Thomas
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From: "Larry Brasfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: viewing Linux Xserver Xfree86 on NT ?
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 04:55:30 GMT
I am just refining Michael's tips a little.
His advice is essentially correct. In
fact, it applies for use of X in general.
Michael P. Meyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:B6uX2.1201$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 1. Start your xserver on the pc. You may need to configure it to run in
> "Single window mode", or whatever.
The MiX server (MicroImages X server as
referred to below) comes as a set of .exe's
for the Windows platform. The icon that is
installed launches TNTSTART.exe which
starts both the server itself, XS.exe, and a
window manager TWM.exe. (I don't know
how the window manager runs on the server
instead of the client as is usual with X, but
it doesn't matter here.)
To use (one of) the Linux window managers,
(KDE in my case), just be sure XS.exe has
been started first on the Windows machine,
the one whose net name is "pcaddress" here.
For your Mac, I'm sure there is a similar split
of responsibility among executable images,
but they will be named differently, of course.
> 2. Telnet into your linux box, login as your userid
I don't think the MiX server enforces any kind
of access privilege based on userid. You can
also start this from the Linux console if you do
not have telnet on your Mac.
> 3. set your DISPLAY variable: "export DISPLAY=pcaddress:0.0"
That's the bash or ksh invocation. Under csh or
tcsh you would "setenv DISPLAY pcaddress:0.0".
> 4. run your .xinit or /etc/X11/xinit verify these file locs first I
> can't remember where they live.
It is sufficient to start the window manager
at this point. For example, I do "startkde".
If this was too detailed an explanation, I
apologize. It is easy to gloss over some
non-obvious details.
> Robin Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <7E5X2.3438$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Larry Brasfield" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >As they say at their site,
> > > http://www.microimages.com/freestuf/mix/
> > >MicroImages is happy to make its X Server freely
> > >available for use on any Macintosh or Windows computers.
> > >
> > >It installs very easily, works great, and can
> > >pretty much be configured by referring to
> > >the X documentation.
That might be an oversimplification. (A
lot can hide under that "pretty much".)
> > Well I have MI/X on my Mac.
> >
> > HOW do I get the normal Xwindowx desktop that comes up on my Linux machine
> > to come up under MI/X?
> >
> > ie I want to see the control Panel, desktop manager, start bar etc??
The window manager provides that stuff.
To see what you see on the Linux box's
display, you must run the same one.
> > I have tried setting DISPLAY but nothing seems to work?
Unless there is some strangeness with
Mac sockets ports, the above should work
if you have IP connectivity otherwise.
--
--Larry Brasfield
Above opinions may be mine alone.
(Humans may reply at unundered [EMAIL PROTECTED] )
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From: "Clinton Gormley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc
Subject: APACS credit card system
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 10:29:41 +0100
Would you know if any apps exist for online authorisation of credit
cards for the APACS system (as used by UK banks).
I would like to implement this functionality on a Redhat Linux box but there
seems to be little in the way of software out there.
Many thanks
Clint
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.security.unix
Subject: Re: SUID games? What is RedHat doing?
Date: 3 May 1999 17:27:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rob Komar) writes:
>These games are such an obvious security threat that they have been
>gone over with a fine-toothed comb years ago. As proof of this, check
>out how many security notices about SVGALIB executables have been released
>over the last few years. You would be safer deleting NFS, sendmail,
>pop mail and imap daemon from your system.
Odd. I've read all the BUGTRAQ discussion about SVGALIB executables over
the past few years and instead reached the conclusion that those who
write+port+maintain games should never, ever under any circumstances be
trusted with writing code that works under elevated privs.
--
Lamont Granquist ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
ICBM: 47 39'23"N 122 18'19"W
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