Linux-Misc Digest #52, Volume #24 Wed, 5 Apr 00 17:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix) (Grant Edwards)
Re: Sychronise the content of two web site? (Henrik Becker)
Re: backups and cd's (Dances With Crows)
Re: Cut 'n paste from KDE app to Netscape (Uwe Malzahn)
Re: Dish Network's site is DOWN if you don't use M$'s browser. (Mark H. Oehrlein)
Re: Bloody clock is an hour fast (Brady Montz)
Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix) (Logan Shaw)
Need help root pass lost ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Newbie: boot from HD i.s.o. from floppy ("Jamie Webb")
Re: Create batch file and send screen output to a file ("Jamie Webb")
Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix) (Leslie Mikesell)
FSDEXT2 on Win98 ("James Potter")
Re: bash prompt (Steve)
Re: strange Zip 100 problem (James Franklin)
Re: ? comp.os.linux.announce ? (Robert Hampf)
Converting filenames (James Franklin)
How to shut down xdm remotely or otherwise ? (mike)
xringd and multiple telephone companies (John Kimball)
Re: (recommendations) linux icq clone (console only) (Darren Wyn Rees)
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From: grant@nowhere. (Grant Edwards)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix)
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:08:53 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David Steuber wrote:
>Come to think of it, isn't the US Gov required by law to have multiple
>vendors? Isn't the DOD? If so, then perhaps there is legal recourse
>to force the gov to obey the law.
>
>As another poster pointed out, we have POSIX for a reason. The gov
>should be required to use POSIX compliant systems.
They often are. If you add enough crud to NT, you can make it
minimally Posix complianc (to what level I don't know). That
is apparently enough to let various agencies buy NT and stay
within regulations.
--
Grant Edwards grante Yow! Is this "BIKINI
at BEACH"?
visi.com
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From: Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sychronise the content of two web site?
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:06:21 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Calvin wrote:
> Hi,
> I am going to move my web site to my own linux server. SO i think i have
> to let the new server and old server to run parallel for few days, and wait
> for the DNS record to change. And the content of the web site in the new &
> old server should be sychronise in this few days. (The old server use UNIX
> also).
>
> Is there any way i can do this in a efficient way??
Check freshmeat.net for sitecopy
--
Henrik Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.HenrikBecker.de
support FREE SOFTWARE www.KDE.org www.WINDOWMAKER.org www.LINUX.org
dt. J-Pilot Handbuch fertig: http://www.henrikbecker.de/jpilot
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: backups and cd's
Date: 05 Apr 2000 15:10:35 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:29:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<<8cg0mf$e3p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I'm wondering how to do backups to my cdrw. I don't think I can create
>a ext2fs file system on the cd, so what is the best way to do this? I'm
>thinking a gzip'ed tar file that I save somewhere and then burn it to
>the cd. Is this the only way?
Search freshmeat.net for "CD Backup" and you'll find about 10 sets of
utilities specifically designed for backing things up. And you can put an
ext2 filesystem on a CD, but then only Linux machines will be able to read
it. iso9660 is the safe bet.
I've heard tell of people skipping filesystems altogether on backup CDs
and just doing something like
# tar czf /dev/sg0 directory
to make a backup of "directory", but you have to make sure the compressed
tarball is < 650M. You'd read that back with a
# tar xzf /dev/scd0
of course. Haven't tried this myself. Maybe I should....
--
Matt G / Dances With Crows \###| Programmers are playwrights
There is no Darkness in Eternity \##| Computers are lousy actors
But only Light too dim for us to see \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
(Unless, of course, you're working with NT)\| BOFHen burn down theatres.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Uwe Malzahn)
Subject: Re: Cut 'n paste from KDE app to Netscape
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 20:52:37 +0200
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"G. R. Gaudreau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Hi all,
> I'm running KDE and trying to find a way to cut 'n paste between a KDE
> app and Netscape messanger. Netscape doesn't seem to want to accpet data
> from KDE apps. Is there a way of doing this?
I propose the usual way. Mark what ever you like, holding the left mouse
button. Paste it, pressing the middle button.
Cheers
Uwe
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Crossposted-To:
rec.video.satellite.dbs,alt.satellite.tv,rec.video.satellite.misc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.browsers.x,comp.infosystems.www.browsers,comp.infosystems.www.browswers.misc
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark H. Oehrlein)
Subject: Re: Dish Network's site is DOWN if you don't use M$'s browser.
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:30:35 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Joe Schottman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Incidentally, if you'd like to call them and let them know what your opinion
>is, the number is 800-333-3474.
LOL! I've been trying to get through to them on the phone for four days to
try to activate a second receiver. You'll just get the "due to unusually high
call volumes, we can't take your call now. (click)".
Seems their phone skills match their java skills.
Mark
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Subject: Re: Bloody clock is an hour fast
From: Brady Montz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 05 Apr 2000 12:41:30 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Ferraretto) writes:
> I'm running Mandrake 7.0. Daylight Savings (summer time) finished here a
> couple of weeks ago and ever since, my PC has been booting up an hour fast!
> I run date to set the time back and all is OK until the next reboot!
>
> I'm running a Toshiba laptop and it doesn't let me set the clock in the BIOS
> so date's the only way to go. I'm running NTP but it dies because the
> variation is too great.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> --
> Mark Ferraretto Phone: +61 8 8396 2448
> Ferraretto IT Services Fax: +61 8 8396 7176
> 26 Observation Drive Mobile: +61 407 959 719
> Highbury SA 5089 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I agree, most annoying.
There's two ways people use their hardware clocks. Set it to GMT, or set it to
the local time. If it's set to GMT, then linux uses the timezone info in
/etc/localtime to figure out what the difference is, and adjusts accordingly.
When the offset changes (such as it did last week), it's all accounted for.
However, if you run windows on the same machine, it doesn't like this one
bit.
Second option is to set the hardware clock to the local time. Then, when the
local time zone changes, the hardware clock has to be reset. Now, windows is
happy, and the linux user less so. Linux doesn't automatically change the
hardware clock for you (unless it's configured to of course). Windows
will. Seems nice of windows to do that for you, until you into situations
where it's heuristic for knowing when to do this reset gets confused.
You use hwclock to set the hardware clock. Read the manpage, taking note of
--systohc --utc and --localtime.
On redhat (and perhaps mandrake), /etc/sysconfig/clock stores info used by
whichever boot script sets the system time from teh hardware clock..
--
Brady Montz
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Logan Shaw)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix)
Date: 5 Apr 2000 14:45:56 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Roger Marquis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>' write your representatives in
>' Congress and ask what they're doing to support the DOJ in their
>' anti-trust case against Microsoft.
>
>Another answer is for the software industry to
>file a class action law suit against Microsoft. We shouldn't be
>running to Big Brother for help.
What's the difference between a government agency bringing a lawsuit in
U.S. courts and a bunch of U.S. companies bringing a lawsuit? Either
is an appeal to the courts for help.
The first is an established way of doing things that has worked just
fine since (Teddy) Roosevelt and Taft started doing it at the beginning
of this century. At least, it works fine if the administration and the
courts are in favor of actually enforcing the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.
Sometimes the U.S. government (including the courts) are just too
"business-friendly", meaning they're too friendly to certain businesses
that happen to have influence and also meaning that they seem to
believe that any action that affects business in any way is sure to be
bad for business. (It isn't. That's why we have the Fed "interfering"
with interest rates -- so the economy won't collapse.)
Of course, another big part of the problem is that the American public,
by and large, isn't educated. They don't realize they're how badly
they're being screwed by Microsoft. They don't know there's a better
way. That combined with the fact that they don't disapprove of
Microsoft's methods makes things difficult.
- Logan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Need help root pass lost
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 19:50:19 GMT
I am having a small problem. I recently took over administrative duties
on a Linux Slackware server and the root password has been changed and I
cannot access the machine as root. I have a Linux boot disk with a root
disk so I can boot the machine that way. However, how do I access the
the root partition so I can access the proper files to make the change.
Or is there an easier way of going about this. I know I've heard of
booting the machine in single user mode, but I can't seem to do this
since its set up to automatically boot to multi-user mode and I can't
seem to bypass this. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Neil Thompson
Network Administrator
ISCO
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Jamie Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie: boot from HD i.s.o. from floppy
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:06:11 +0100
The boot manager is totally separate from the kernel. To use it, you need to
create a file called /etc/lilo.conf which describes your system setup, and
then just run the program:
lilo
to install it.
For information on how to make the /etc/lilo.conf file, type:
man lilo
There are also several HOWTOs describing its use. These are probably files
located in /usr/doc/HOWTO
-- Jamie Webb
Catilina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:954601378.147833@marvin...
> I've build my kernel on a floppy, and I use this disk to boot into Linux.
If
> the floppy isn't inserted, the system boots into Windows. Now I would like
> to use Lilo (or another boot manager) to start, so that I don't need this
> bootdisk anymore. How can I do this without having to rebuild the
> kernel/reinstall Debian?
>
> TIA,
> Catilina
>
>
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From: "Jamie Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Create batch file and send screen output to a file
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:11:31 +0100
It's almost identical to dos, but a few extra steps are needed.
Your file (called a shell script in Linux) must start with the line:
#!/bin/bash
(or #!/bin/tcsh or whatever shell you are using)
After you have created the file, you need to make it executable by running:
chmod +x myscript
Redirection is just the same as dos, e.g.
ls > dirlist
will list the current directory to the dirlist file.
You use the # sign for a comment, e.g.
# My comment
To run the script, you need to run it as
./myscript
(or /mydirectory/myscript if it isn't in the current directory)
Notice the ./ This is because Linux doesn't search the current directory for
executables by default.
Linux shells are a lot more powerful than the dos shell. A complete
description is the subject of a fairly hefty book (several of which are
available).
-- Jamie Webb
Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8c9qhi$h5e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi,
>
> I want to execute a number of linux commands from a batch file, and have
the
> screen output sent to a file. So...
>
> How do I create a batch file (like in dos).
>
> How do I then send the screen output from the programs which are run from
> the batch file to another file.
>
> Thanks for anyone who can help,
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leslie Mikesell)
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.solaris,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Visio (Microsoft vs. Unix)
Date: 5 Apr 2000 15:02:40 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Grant Edwards <grant@nowhere.> wrote:
>
>>Come to think of it, isn't the US Gov required by law to have multiple
>>vendors? Isn't the DOD? If so, then perhaps there is legal recourse
>>to force the gov to obey the law.
>>
>>As another poster pointed out, we have POSIX for a reason. The gov
>>should be required to use POSIX compliant systems.
>
>They often are. If you add enough crud to NT, you can make it
>minimally Posix complianc (to what level I don't know). That
>is apparently enough to let various agencies buy NT and stay
>within regulations.
Does anyone happen to know why posix doesn't specify fork()?
And what other posix-compliant system besides NT doesn't
have fork() with its expected semantics? (In other words
was it left out as a special consideration for someone?)
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "James Potter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FSDEXT2 on Win98
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:15:08 +0100
Should FSDEXT2 work with Win98? mount appears to work but nothing can be
seen. Any ideas?
Or does anyone know of anything else I could use to see my Linux partition
in Win98
Cheers
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Subject: Re: bash prompt
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 5 Apr 2000 21:30:27 GMT
On 04 Apr 2000 16:16:29 -0800, Floyd Davidson wrote:
>David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>>' PS1="\$PWD $";cd # will show the full path of the home directory
>>' PS1="\W $";cd # will show the basename only, of the full path
>>' PS1="\w $";cd # will replace the full path with '~' character
>>'
>>' Almost without exception the last example is the most desirable.
>>
>>I don't like the path in the prompt. It takes up too much space. If
>>I forget where I am, there is always pwd.
>
>Different strokes for different folks. The discussion wasn't about if
>it is useful, just about how to do it.
>
>Your point though is well taken... for some people. But I
>often have at least a dozen or more xterms open with a shell
>prompt in them, and I'd waste all manner of time figuring out
>which host they are on, which user it is, and what the working
>directory is if I didn't have that information in the prompt.
>Clearly in my case it makes sense. I also use 100 column
>xterms, so I've got 20 more characters to deal with than a 25x80
>screen.
>
>If I had one or maybe just two screens to remember (and if this
>was 30 years ago when my memory worked better) it might make
>sense to rely on memory.
I have all my xterms set up as icons which open different coloured
xterms depending on what I'm want to do in that term, for editing
code I use the yellow on midnight blue etc.
--
Cheers
Steve email mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%HAV-A-NICEDAY Error not enough coffee 0 pps.
web http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~sjlen/
or http://start.at/zero-pps
10:49am up 1 day, 13:23, 5 users, load average: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:42:51 +0000
From: James Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: strange Zip 100 problem
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Hi, I`ve had a look through the previous discussions and can`t find
> what I`m looking for.
>
> I have a Zip100 drive mounted on my Linux machine (Dell XPS T700r,
> 256MB, SuSE 6.3, kernel 2.2.13) under /dev/hdd4
>
> Normally it works without any problems, but occasionally, after I
> unmount a disk and mount a different disk, a ls shows the contents of
> the previous disk, not the new disk. It then tells me that the disk
> has been mounted readonly.
>
> I`ve tried remounting the original disk, but that`s now readonly too.
>
> A mount tells me that the disk is mounted rw, and the only solution
> to getting the Zip working properly is to hard reboot the machine.
> Obviously not ideal!
>
> Does anyone know if this is a common problem?
>
> I am sharing the Zip drive through Samba, allowing access through Linux
> and my VMWare virtual machine. I stop Samba when umounting, but this
> doesn`t seem to have any effect.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
I have mine mounted as /dev/sda4 to /mnt/zip and do not suffer that
problem. The support is loaded as a kernel module ppa.
--
Love,
Brian and Misook
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Hampf)
Subject: Re: ? comp.os.linux.announce ?
Date: 5 Apr 2000 23:44:39 +0200
Robert Lynch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> h�lt �essu fram:
: Hiya-
:
: I've always enjoyed reading comp.os.linux.announce. Starting a couple
: of weeks ago (?) it seems to be missing.
Mee too :-(
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Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:45:33 +0000
From: James Franklin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Converting filenames
How would I convert Windows filenames (with spaces) into Linux
acceptable filesnames (with underscores). I have a lot of files I want
that have poor Linux names, so a shell script or similar approach is
needed. I do not know what program will substitute underscores for
spaces.
Forgive this newbie questions. I am trying hard to convert to Linux
from windoze.
--
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to shut down xdm remotely or otherwise ?
Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:51:26 -0400
I can start xdm remotely from my other networked machine through
telnet, but I haven't the foggiest idea how to shut it down.
If I look at the processes with ps, it seems that starting xdm
launches
other processes. I have tried to kill them individually starting from
the last one and working back, but that doesn't seem to kill it. It
seems
to keep restarting. What is the proper way of doing it?
Thanks
Mike
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Kimball)
Subject: xringd and multiple telephone companies
Date: 5 Apr 2000 20:58:29 GMT
Does xringd behave well for many telephone companies? If I'm travelling
through several countries in Europe, dragging a computer with me, will
xringd have problems? Is it a lot of hassle to get it working right for a
new phone company's system?
Thanks!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Darren Wyn Rees)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: (recommendations) linux icq clone (console only)
Date: 5 Apr 2000 20:40:18 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc on Wed, 05 Apr 2000 07:58:54 GMT,
Faux_Pseudo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> the best consol icq app i have found is BitchX
> very configurable and regularly updated and loots of prity colors
according to the BitchX FAQ ...
1.1 What is BitchX?
BitchX is a VERY heavily modified ircII client.
^^^^^
I'm not sure BitchX is compatible with _ICQ_
(but feel free to prove otherwise).
(Thanks to those who offered suggestions. I'm currently
evaluating micq, centericq, and licq (with console plugin).
Not all the same time, of course.)
--
Le biblioteche ci hanno dato il potere,
poi il lavoro � venuto e ci ha reso liberi.
Che prezzo ora, per un piccolo assaggio di dignit�...
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