Linux-Misc Digest #63, Volume #20 Tue, 4 May 99 21:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Please Bug test my site ("Ari Freeman")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: Backup with dd ("Daniel Thomas")
Re: Backup with dd ("Daniel Thomas")
Re: Backup with dd ("Daniel Thomas")
Re: Wanted: Database/Contact mgr with backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend (Thomas
Keto)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Pas Moi)
ISO image file of Redhat 6.0: where? ("Terminus")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to "GNU Communism") (Pas Moi)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Pas Moi)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522) (Pas Moi)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Ed Avis)
Re: Modem problems : new newsgroup required. (M. Buchenrieder)
Deeply Hosed... fsck ? urgent plea. ("user12")
Re: Newbie having problems mounting floppy (mist)
Re: "Glint" (GC Cyr)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Re: Modem Problem---------It works but PPP doesn't Route (Ian Hay)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: HELP!! Linux Server crashes every 3-4 hours (brian moore)
Gnome Help ! (GC Cyr)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Peter Seebach)
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From: "Ari Freeman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Please Bug test my site
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:06:06 -0700
I have recently Beta launched a new Linux Site. www.freelinuxspace.com -
Linux Users get 25 free megs for linux file storage. Storing, accessing and
sharing files is easy and secure. I am trying get linux users to help test
the site & report any bugs.
I believe Linux users will find it very useful.
I am open to any comments and suggestions. Please email them to me at
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks
Ari
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:02:46 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> That presumes that the needs it addresses are that crucial.
That is something the market gets to decide. In the end, what people
actually go to the trouble to obtain is all the matters.
> That's why Free Software
> is even relevant. Software capitalism too easily degrades into
> something more resembling a command economy or a null copyright
> enviroment where there is little monetary motivation to create
> new and potentially profitable ideas.
Free software is relevant, but it will never displace for-profit
software. I leave reality as the strongest evidence of that.
We can argue all we want, but the real world is where these decisions
are being made. If we meet again in ten years we will see that Free
software will have come to dominate some segments, but will have
utterly failed to make inroads in others.
The "Free software is so good that it will naturally take over" crowd
is no different than the "communism is so good" crowd. Both assume the
capitalists sit still and don't adapt.
Consumers will decide in the end. My opinion is that it's not a one or
the other type choice. Both will serve the needs they both are best
at.
Oh well.....
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From: "Daniel Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backup with dd
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:10:24 +1000
Just an idea, although I'm not familar with the NTFS structure.
Did you fully defragment the drive before using dd, if not there may have
been data that was further into the drive than you actuallt copied.
Just my thoughts anyway,
Hope this helps.
Daniel Thomas
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From: "Daniel Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backup with dd
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:10:24 +1000
Just an idea, although I'm not familar with the NTFS structure.
Did you fully defragment the drive before using dd, if not there may have
been data that was further into the drive than you actuallt copied.
Just my thoughts anyway,
Hope this helps.
Daniel Thomas
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From: "Daniel Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Backup with dd
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:10:24 +1000
Just an idea, although I'm not familar with the NTFS structure.
Did you fully defragment the drive before using dd, if not there may have
been data that was further into the drive than you actuallt copied.
Just my thoughts anyway,
Hope this helps.
Daniel Thomas
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From: Thomas Keto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Wanted: Database/Contact mgr with backend on Linux/FreeBSD, web frontend
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 23:11:39 GMT
Daniel Ts'o wrote:
>
> I am looking for a database application that either is like, or could
> be made similar to Symantec ACT, ie a contact manager which organizes
> people, companies, addresses, phone numbers, contact notes, group membership,
> action notes, perhaps scheduling, phone log, calendar, etc.
>
> It should be "client/server" (unlike ACT), preferably with the client
> being any decent HTML browser on the Internet and the backend running on Linux
> or FreeBSD (e.g. Apache + PHP + MySQL). In addition to DB entry and reporting,
> it would be nice if it were capable of printing address labels after a
> selection (ie print labels in zipcode sorted order for all contacts who are
> interested in X, or the member of group Y).
>
> I gather that much of this could be implemented with MS Outlook and MS
> Exchange on NT, dialing in with RAS. However I would prefer an "open source"
> solution.
>
> Such a thing around ? Thanks.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel Tso [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The Rockefeller University, 1230 York Ave MS138, NY, NY 10021
> 212-327-7671, FAX: 212-327-7671
Up to about 2 years ago, there was a handful of Unix contact manager
software vendors, now I think there may be one at the high end of the
market with fully integrated telephony. telemagic, goldmine and another
contact manager pulled out of the Unix i386 market in the last couple
of years, if this a political move or just plain economics I don't know.
Alternates are an emacs based contact management called "insideous big
brother database" and another commericial vendor that can be located via
search engines, make sure to use Unix and Contact Management in your
search criteria to narrow down the results. From what Ive seen the pickins
are slim for contact management for Unix/Linux.
Sorry I don't rememeber the name of the vendor with the client server
model, I had discounted it for me because it would work under tcp/ip
gui only and I need it to work under dumb terminals also. The average
price for contact management about 6 years ago was about $100-$200 per
user, now it seems that contact management is only available for i386 under
the m$ platform at about $1250-$1500 per user, not including the elaborate
network and pc's. I think there are alot a disadvantages using the
client/server model for Unix i386 based contact management. While it is
important to serve any platform anywhere with a client/server model it is
just as imortant that that the underlying contact mangager model work
through character based shell and telnet.
I am currently working with software developer called Panasoft, they claim
to have a Unix/Linux contact manager available in the next couple of months.
I will marketed at a fair price with "unlimited" users or users based upon
the user license of the Unix flavor you are running. I really hate to see
Unix and Unix software marketed like single user operating systems.
If you seek more info contact: Neville A. Millar at Panasoft
818-784-485 http://www.panasites.com
Say that Greg Keto refferred you.
Greg Keto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
From: Pas Moi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:51:57 GMT
>> "TC" == Tesla Coil wrote on Sat, 01 May 1999 03:09:05 -0500:
TC> Marx's analysis states that the exchange value of a commodity is
TC> determined by its socially necessary labor time. The worker is
TC> also a commodity, and their exchange value is determined by the
TC> socially necessary labor time to produce one to serve that
TC> worker's function, e.g., their means of survival, education, etc.
it's far more complicated than that, even within the framework of das
kapital. for one, as soon as you introduce the concept of "socially
necessary labour time," the waters cloud considerably. prices,
commodities, and production standards come as a momentary fixing of a
constantly shifting network of relations between commodities, classes,
and capitalists, in other words, capitalism as a whole. how much
people have to eat may or may not figure into all this. i'm not sure
if applying the ltv ever made sense in the way that people thought
that it did.
ciao,
g.y.
--
Guy Yasko -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [remove noise]
.. I have read the INSTRUCTIONS ...
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From: "Terminus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ISO image file of Redhat 6.0: where?
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:22:32 -0230
Where can I find a FAST FTP server with the ISO image of Redhat 6.0?
Possibly in USA or Canada.
Thanks
Max
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to "GNU Communism")
From: Pas Moi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:51:57 GMT
>> "MC" == Mike Coffin wrote on 30 Apr 1999 11:26:15 -0700:
MC> Ewan Dunbar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Yes. As the thread has mentioned before, there are areas in which
>> capitalistic ideas simply do not work. Technology is one of them,
>> especially computing. While it has a few meagre benefits, on the
>> whole, capitalism gets computers nowhere.
MC> What kind of processor do you use? Was it developed for profit by
MC> a capitalistic corporation?
answer me this: what massive social institution now out of favour with
trendoids and conformist ideologues funded a large part of basic
research through a often-not-so-cold-war and university research, all
of which eventually enabled "entrepeneurs" to profit from it all?
uhh, intel?
no. guess again.
intel?
no, guess again, only this time answer differently.
you'd have to invent a theory of something like "state monopoly
capitalism" to explain this. either that or pretend that it didn't
happen, which is what many people in the computer industry do.
ciao,
g.y.
--
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It's the RINSE CYCLE!! They've ALL IGNORED the RINSE CYCLE!!
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
From: Pas Moi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:51:56 GMT
>> "MW" == Matthias Warkus wrote on Sun, 2 May 1999 13:06:27 +0200:
>> So, I think, RMS is not quite an anarchist communist, even in the
>> software sense.
MW> He's neither anarchist nor communist as far as I can see. ESR is
MW> anarchist.
the execrrrable esr is a libertarian capitalist. moreover, his
toadying to mega-corps other than ms and his elitism are a far cry
from anarchism.
then again, trotsky wrote that anarchists are but liberals without the
police.
ciao,
g.y.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism (returning to %252522GNU Communism%252522)
From: Pas Moi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:51:57 GMT
>> "CD" == Craig Dowell wrote on 30 Apr 1999 20:03:15 GMT:
CD> It seems to me that when free markets are removed, _that's_ when
CD> you need to start worrying. It's been proved over, and over, and
CD> over again.
no such thing as a free market, better start worrying.
the liberal doctrines you espouse developed in the 18th & 19th century
just as the reality they attempted to describe was transforming them
into nonsense. yes, a worker is free not to work, but this is more or
less the freedom to starve to death. there are also many barriers to
market entry, such as the need to be compatible with ms word or
something.
--
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.. the HIGHWAY is made out of LIME JELLO and my HONDA is a barbequeued
OYSTER! Yum!
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From: Ed Avis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:59:52 +0100
Andrew Carol wrote:
[if copyrights on software were abolished]
>Why assume the dongle is
>under software control? This is a brave new world. Dongles need not
>be like the crude ones we are used to.
If I had a choice between hardware with built-in 'licensing
protection', and hardware without, I'd choose the uncrippled version
every time. Hardware manufacturers will recognize this, and with a
little competition, hardware 'protection' would all but disappear.
Look at what is happening with DVDs and 'regional coding'.
--
Ed Avis
Advertise here! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Modem problems : new newsgroup required.
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:30:35 GMT
[Please note FollowUp-To: header]
Jody Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
[...]
>I have an idea. How about a HOWTO devoted to nothing but getting modems
>configed in Linux.
Good idea. Go for it - and count me in.
>Or would that be to simple to correct this problem.
Possibly, yes :))
Michael
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From: "user12" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Deeply Hosed... fsck ? urgent plea.
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:59:23 GMT
Hello:
This may be peripheral to the problem, but I'll mention it in case it has
significance. My RH5.2 box was powered off by accident yesterday.
Today, two of my Virtual Hosts won't resolve. The interesting thing is that
the IP addresses PING and the HOSTNAMES show up correctly in NETSTAT -R
...some other programs like TOP are behaving strangely as well...
I'm at a loss as to how to proceed. I have backups of all the files, so I
can likely restore the system from scratch. But I'd rather not. Meanwhile,
two of my clients are without web services.
Any suggestions?
Thanks...David
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From: mist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Newbie having problems mounting floppy
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:17:09 +0100
Reply-To: mist <new$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
AnOldCowboy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> scribed to us that -
>I have Redhat 5.2 installed as workstation and can't
>get the floppy mounted. First I gor the error message
>saying {cant find mention of /dev/fd0 in /ect/mtab or
>/ect/fstab} Edited the files and now get the message
>mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on
>/dev/fd0, or too many mounted file systems. Watched
>the boot info and noticed entrys saying max amount
>of devices mounted hda6 and hda5, max number is 4.
>device fd0 is not a block device. That is not the exact
>wording but as close as I can do. When useing disk
>manager it reports 4 mounted devices including the
>cdrom. Tryed unmounting the cdrom and still get the
>same message. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>TIA
What type of disks are you trying to mount? If it's windows disks
you'll have to specify that. Something like -
mount /dev/fd0 -t vfat /mnt/floppy
or
mount /dev/fd0 -t msdos /mnt/floppy
without the -t option it will expect to find a Linux type of disk. That
could give the bad superblock error message.
--
Mist.
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From: GC Cyr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Glint"
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 06:41:29 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello once again... In "glint" I'm trying to see what packages I have
> available to install. When I click available a little bitty window comes up
> and says /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS doesn't contain any RPMs... Then I click on
> configure and basically the same happens telling me to choose a path, When I
> click save still no go,can't see what packages are available to install. I
> have Redhat 5.2 and it has 3 cd's which one do I throw in 1,2or3? Also, when
> I type in /mnt/cdrom/RedHat/RPMS at my Xterminal the response I get is No
> such file or directory. Just trying to learn a few basic tasks. Thanks in
> advance... Allan
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
> http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
If the mnt isn't the problem one of your CD's might just contain source code.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:48:22 -0700
On Tue, 04 May 1999 16:02:46 -0700, Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> That presumes that the needs it addresses are that crucial.
>
>That is something the market gets to decide. In the end, what people
>actually go to the trouble to obtain is all the matters.
The market only decides what was popular first.
>
>> That's why Free Software
>> is even relevant. Software capitalism too easily degrades into
>> something more resembling a command economy or a null copyright
>> enviroment where there is little monetary motivation to create
>> new and potentially profitable ideas.
>
>Free software is relevant, but it will never displace for-profit
>software. I leave reality as the strongest evidence of that.
It's already displacing for-profit software.
>
>We can argue all we want, but the real world is where these decisions
>are being made. If we meet again in ten years we will see that Free
>software will have come to dominate some segments, but will have
>utterly failed to make inroads in others.
>
>The "Free software is so good that it will naturally take over" crowd
>is no different than the "communism is so good" crowd. Both assume the
>capitalists sit still and don't adapt.
Good has never been the point. Cheap and available has been.
Free Software has as much of that as does DOS. That's the
bulk of it's utility. It overcomes what would otherwise be
a barrier to entry.
[deletia]
--
Microsoft subjected the world to DOS until 1995. |||
A little spite is more than justified. / | \
In search of sane PPP Docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: Ian Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Modem Problem---------It works but PPP doesn't Route
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:58:22 GMT
"Eightfold�" wrote:
>
> I am Running Linux Mandrake 5.3 with the KDE xwindows. I reloaded the
> whole thing from scratch and after a day of reading HOW-TOs and scores
> of news articles, I'm still stuck...
>
> The modem connects fine to my ISP, but apparently doesn't route
> correctly. No packets transfer and Netscape eventually returns
> "server not found" message.
>
> Could someone please help me with the entries in netcfg.
> I went to http://nitro.med.uc.edu/DR3web/netcfg.html and did
> everything he says to do and according to usernet I have a
> functional PPP connection.
This sounds like the simple problem of not having your DNS entries in
/etc/resolve.conf.
You can either enter them manually in that file, or use netcfg to enter
them in the "nameservers" field in the first "names" tab.
I.
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Ian R. Hay <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Toronto, Canada <http://www3.sympatico.ca/ian.hay/>
"Linux already IS user-friendly ... it's just very picky
about who it makes friends with!" -- source unknown.
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:37:28 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It's already displacing for-profit software.
Yes it is. But that is not evidence that it will displace most/all
for-profit software. There is no reason for us to argue. You and I
don't control this, the people who decide which software they want to
use do. You seem to confuse what you think would be best if happened
with what is likely to happen.
> Good has never been the point. Cheap and available has been.
> Free Software has as much of that as does DOS. That's the
> bulk of it's utility. It overcomes what would otherwise be
> a barrier to entry.
No disagreement there. Free Software can cross that barrier. I just
don't think it will become the primary type of software that people
use.
It will have it's important uses, but so will for-profit stuff.
I belive that free software will do well for development, servers, OS,
utilities, small projects, etc. I think it will do poorly for consumer
applications such as word proccessing, spread-sheets, hot action games,
etc. You may point to free versions of these things, but I will also
say their use is insigifiant to the $ versions.
I also think free software will be esp poor where the development of
the software requires an expensive investment or reliability guarentee,
such as software to navigate an airplane, generate tax returns, operate
a CAT scan, run a bank, design automobiles, etc.
Oh well.....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: HELP!! Linux Server crashes every 3-4 hours
Date: 5 May 1999 00:47:44 GMT
On 04 May 1999 23:36:53 +0200,
Desmond Coughlan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ron Bergeron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > I had a similar problem where the machine would just completely
> > freeze. It used to happen 8-10 times a week. The load on the machine
> > made no difference. The only way to recover was to power cycle the
> > box. It turned out to be the Intel Etherexpress network card. I
> > replaced the card over a year ago and haven't had the problem since.
>
> My server occasionally freezes, but when I check out /var/logs/syslog,
> I note that it always happens when my ISP's DHCP server interrogates
> my server.
Um, are you sure it's not that other way around? Your machine
contacting your provider's DHCP server to renew its lease on the IP it
was granted?
Normally a DHCP server does not 'interrogate' a client: the client
informs the server that it is online and needs either new
configuration information or it needs to renew the lease on what it got
earlier.
--
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Sysadmin, C/Perl Hacker | a cockroach, except that the cockroach
Usenet Vandal | is higher up on the evolutionary chain."
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From: GC Cyr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Gnome Help !
Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 06:48:10 -0600
I am having a problem adjusting my color depth and themes in Gnome.
Does anyone have any suggestions?
Thanks
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 00:49:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Free seems to do very well for OS's, servers, and development software.
>I don't see a lot of free tax advice software. The hottest action
>games are almost always proprietary. Why is there no credible option
>in the consumer software market which is free?
If you look at the two categories of non-free things, you'll note that both
are things which must be updated constantly to remain of use; this, then,
corresponds to the understanding that people are willing to pay for work.
Essentially, a free compiler can evolve for years; tax software requires a
fair amount of rework constantly. Games have to be rewritten with newer,
"better" engines. This means that most of the work is recently-done, so
people are more tolerant of paying for it - also, the relatively small
contributions, repeated over a long period of time, model that supports a lot
of free software won't work for things that are time-critical.
Yet.
This could change.
-s
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