Linux-Misc Digest #63, Volume #19 Tue, 16 Feb 99 23:13:12 EST
Contents:
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers ("Sam Felton")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Mantikor)
Re: Login incorrect (Mark Ramos)
Re: Help with X related concepts. (Ian Tester)
Re: why can't I get BIG newsgroups easily? only want to pick over the new stuff
(Brian Greer)
Re: Mounting... ("William H. Pridgen")
Announcing Project (LIMP) -- Fighting for the little guy! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: SuSE 5.3 -> SuSE 6.0 broke IPForwarding or routing (Tim Lines)
Re: Does chroot work on Red Hat Linux 5.1 (Neil Rickert)
Re: Advanced RAM usage question... (William Burrow)
Re: Simple Samba question. . . I hope ("Wladimir Melnikov")
Set modem speed in a script ("Albert Want")
loadlin equivilent for Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux has too many problems (Rob Turpin)
Re: where to learn down'n'dirty character mode / graphics (steve mcadams)
Re: Linux has too many problems (Ian Hay)
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Reply-To: "Sam Felton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Sam Felton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:28:07 -0800
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Kinkster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<surgery>
>
> Maybe we should all drive busses ?
>
> We have about 5% of the worlds population but consume about 40% of
> it's energy. The CAFE standards were implemented for more than just
> mileage , we also seem to have major problems with huge gas guzzling
> monsters polluting the atmosphere. Take a trip to Europe or Asia and
> you'll see they aren't infatuated with driving behemoth land yachts
> like we seem to be here.
This statement is highly misleading.
I preface this by saying that I mean no offence to anyone who lives outside
North America:
With _very_ few exceptions, every place outside the US and Canada that I
have been, has little or no emission control standards. Take a walkabout in
Pu Dong in Shanghai, or Oxford Circus in London, and you'll see very quickly
what I mean.
How else can you explain the fact that, despite our consumption of resources
here in North America (for which I make no apologies, we paid for them), we
produce far less toxic effluent per user than other countries of equivalent
population density?
Resource use is one thing. Recycling and diminution of effluents is quite
another.
>
>
> > A one size fits all airbag which has
> >killed many people. The auto companies would have been able to put the
> >adjustable kind in from the beginning but the government wouldn't
> >allow it. While not an actual regulation it was government pressure
> >that has gotten the SUVs lowered and lightened thus lessening the
> >safety of the last really safe class of vehicles left.
>
> Yeah, I _LOVE_ seeing a 90 pound woman driving 5500 Lbs of Lincoln
> Navigator all by herself down to the quick mart for a gallon of milk,
> it makes for real economical/ecological sense. When's the last time
> you actually saw someone have something in the back of 4000 Lbs of
> pickup truck or 5000+ Lbs of SUV hurtling down the expressway ??
> (Besides a Tonneau cover ??)
>
You'd see a lot less of this if the price of the vehicle were exhorbitant.
If we really want to reduce private vehicle use, punch up gas and vehicle
and licence prices, take the money, and build efficient, cheap public
transport everywhere. Short of this you won't see any change in people's
usage patterns. They like their cars. As do I.
When the public transport in our area stopped running efficient routes to
where I worked, I stopped using it. Get real: the general populace will not
put themselves out enormously just to save a few CO2 molecules. There must
be efficient and convenient design, and proof that the individual will
profit from the sacrifices made.
>
>
>
> >
> >>........ Maybe the government should get out of safety regulations for
> >>Airlines too ??
> >
> >And where did I say that there should be no regulation? Could you
> >please point that out or admit that you are just a hysterical ninny?
>
> You're the Chicken Little that cries about the government being in
> everything from throttling m$ to the auto industry to handgun control.
> Why don't you admit you're a relic from (somehow) the frontier past
> and can't fathom this modern society we live in ?
I assume, Kinkster, from reading previous posts, that you really don't give
a flying fuck what anyone thinks of you. 'Nuff said.
>
>
> >We need some regulation. What we don't need is this layer upon layer
> >of nit-picking oversight that allows any agency to regulate any and
> >every thing in the name of 'safety' or 'for the children' or whatever
> >the buzzword at the time is.
> >
> >> You take the first Value Jet minus government
> >>regulation.
> >
> >Again with the 'no regulation' hysteria. Its not an either or kind of
> >deal. We can have something less than the heavy handed over reaching
> >approach that government uses now and still be safe. Have you ever
> >been involved in a heavily regulated industry?
>
> Uhhh care to try the auto industry or isn't that "heavily regulated"
> enough for you ??
>
> >Until you have been you
> >have absolutely no idea how this works.
>
> That's why I'm so anti-m$, I've seen first hand the sloppy, fat and
> lazy ways of doing business when one has the market to themselves. The
> equipment and factory buildings I was working with/in , in the mid
> 80's dated back to the 1930's and 1940's, that sure as hell changed in
> a hurry when the Japanese (read _competition_) damn near drove the US
> auto industry into bankruptcy.
That's why I am _not_ anti-M$, but am
anti-commercial-software-industry-in-general. The shrink-wrap marketplace
seems intent on selling glitzy, hyped-up software that is often buggy and
overpriced . The fact that M$ can do it well and kick everyone's arse is not
an indictment of them, it merely demonstrates that in human endeavour, where
there exists a condition, there will (eventually) exist, somewhere, a master
of that condition. We humans are designed (please, religion is not the topic
here) to do this, and we adapt quite well to the task.
This is why Linux is doing as well as it is: it is an example of a group of
people building a system for recognition of skill and quality rather than
for economic gain. I would almost characterize it as a sport. No offence
intended, I participate in that sport myself. In any case, Linux exists
(partly) to demonstrate how well a system may be built if people do it with
overall quality as a goal rather than profit-motive.
M$ is not the only company out there screwing the competition. This
anti-trust (sic) trial is going to change little if anything in the way that
software companies do business.
I still say, if you want something done right, do it yourself...
>
> Want some _true_ horror stories of the existing conditions of some of
> the vehicles we sent to the dealers prior to some strict government
> regulation ??
>
>
> >
> >> Maybe the government should also get out of trying to
> >>provide for safe meat and food products too , I hope you wind up with
> >>the first E.Coli or Listeria Burger.
> >
> >The childish thing would be for me to wish that you are 5' 0" and get
> >involved in collision that deploys your airbag. However I don't wish
> >anyone dead; not even a jerk like you.
>
> I didn't say (or mean to imply) I wanted you dead, a good dose of the
> shits would do justice.
This is where everyone seems to be going down the deep-end of the pool
without swimming lessons.
There is no reason to equate the regulation of the software industry (and,
even more frightening, the regulation of software design and implementation)
with the regulation of automotive manufacture or agriculture. Shitty
commercial software never killed anyone.
We should probably end that analogy before it mushrooms into an ugly
metaphor.
>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I doubt that it would
> >>>take that long before they made a total cluster fuck of the computer
> >>>industry.
>
> They broke up Standard Oil in the early 1900's without making a "total
> cluster fsck" of the gasoline industry. They made Proctor and Gamble
> divest themselves of Clorox Bleach, they made Ford sell off their
> parts division and the list goes on, yet I don't see P&G or Ford or
> any other company suffering from "Cluster Fsck" as you put it.
>
There are other problems with this analogy.
I used to work at M$ (one of the reasons I have few illusions about them).
What a lot of people either don't know or seem to be deliberately ignoring
is the fact that M$ is _already_ like multiple companies under the same
roof.
The simile I generally use goes as follows.
M$ is like a guerrilla war; lots of factions (each of whom claim fierce
patriotism) all fighting each other over a bigger slice of the territory. If
you were to divide them up, it would mean simply that some of the factions
were now fighting from outside the country. I suspect that little would
change; given the characteristics of the people involved.
For the folks who haven't worked there, it is hard to imagine why, for
example, the Exchange group is called "the most feared and loathed" group,
or why NT (ok, Win2K now) folks are considered insufferable "build snobs",
or why there are feuds of the most bitter sort between Internet group and
WOSD.
They do a lot of things wrong. But I think it is _extremely_ risky to get
the government involved; this trial has proven that the people writing the
laws have very little idea what goes on in an engineering shop.
--
Cheers,
= Sam =
"Remember, when you're feeling very small and insecure,
how amazingly unlikely is your birth;
and pray that there's intelligent life somewhere out in space,
'cause there's bugger-all down here on earth."
--- Eric Idle in "The Meaning of Life"
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From: mantikor @ hotmail.com (Mantikor)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:14:30 GMT
>What a lot of people either don't know or seem to be deliberately ignoring
>is the fact that M$ is _already_ like multiple companies under the same
>roof.
>
>The simile I generally use goes as follows.
>
>M$ is like a guerrilla war; lots of factions (each of whom claim fierce
>patriotism) all fighting each other over a bigger slice of the territory. If
>you were to divide them up, it would mean simply that some of the factions
>were now fighting from outside the country. I suspect that little would
>change; given the characteristics of the people involved.
>
>For the folks who haven't worked there, it is hard to imagine why, for
>example, the Exchange group is called "the most feared and loathed" group,
>or why NT (ok, Win2K now) folks are considered insufferable "build snobs",
>or why there are feuds of the most bitter sort between Internet group and
>WOSD.
That really *IS* interesting.
It goes a long way towards explaining why MS cant make their own damn
products work together.
And here I was figuring it was lousy communication! Not so... it was
one departments blood-feud with another for some previous injustice!
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From: Mark Ramos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Login incorrect
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 16:12:35 -0800
Christian Plent wrote:
> I got a little amazing problem (Rehat 5.1).
> I can't login as a normal user (only root works). The answer is "login
> incorrect".
> I've checked my passwd, the available shell, the directory security,
> etc...
> Any idea ?
Make sure you can su as that user from root. If, for example the shell
is not correctly specified then it won't let you in. Do a man on login
and it should tell you what it takes to authenticate a login process.
Mark
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From: Ian Tester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: Help with X related concepts.
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:13:59 +1100
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Greg Thorne wrote:
> 1) What are the advantages/disadvantages of E, WindowMaker, KDE, and
> AfterStep (I think I'm leaning toward WindowMaker)?
ummm...
E: _REALLY_ configurable. Its main aim is to be totally configurable. It
can be a real memory and CPU hog because of the way it draws the window
decorations. But, of course, this can me reduced by playing with the
config. Also, since Rasterman (it's original author) now works at RHAD
labs, it is always going to be the most GNOME-compliant WM.
WindowMaker: This is pretty popular. It's a nice-looking WM that can be
customized a fair bit, but is still pretty damn lean. I believe it's now
the official WM of the GNUStep project, so it looks alot like the original
NeXTStep. Fun things like a docking bar and dockable applets.
Afterstep: Originally a hack of fvwm (2?) to look like NeXTStep. Many
people still use it, but it's been overtaken by WindowMaker. Has most
of the things that WindowMaker now has, but since it is still based on
FVWM, it's not as lean and efficient.
<out with the asbestos suit>
KWM: The default WM of the KDE desktop. The KDE guys can say what they
like, but KDE and KWM are pretty much glued to each other. Trying to run
some of the core KDE stuff (like the panel and file manager) with a
different WM isn't very nice. And I think you still need some of the KDE
libs to run it, and probably some of the KDE tools to configure it. So
don't plan on running KWM without the rest of KDE. KDE can be a bit of a
memory and CPU hog. But it depends.
> 2) Is there a way to switch WM's while you're in your X session?
Yes, many WM's suport this. It does has to be supported by the WM though.
> 3) What exactly is GNOME? I know it's not really a separate WM,
GNOME is a desktop environment. It was originally started in reaction to
the licence for the QT widget set used by KDE. It has since started
moving off in a slightly different direction to KDE. It looks like GNOME
might end up being more of a 'hacker' or 'power user' desktop, or at least
to begin with.
Enlightenment is the de-facto GNOME window manager, but pretty much any WM
can be used. WindowMaker and FVWM2 are probably the best alternatives.
> but it still will run GTK themes? How does this work?
I'm not sure what you mean here.
GTK is a widget set, and dictates how the 'widgets' look. i.e buttons,
menus, lists, etc... The current development version of GTK has support
for themes, also done by Rasterman. This is totally seperate to the WM.
> 4) I know this is objective, but give me your opinions: which WM's are
> superior in resource usage, graphical look, and "feel"?
I'm using enlightenment at home on my K6-2 300 with 128M of ram. I run
X at 1440x1080 @32bpp (8M Millenium G200 with a nice 17" mitsubishi
monitor!) and have 12 desktops, with 8 different 'wallpapers' at the
moment. I can't remember how much it takes up, but the X server process
usually swells to over 70M to cache all of the wallpapers.
But enough bragging...
I also use enlightenment here at work on a P5-100 with 32M of ram. I run X
at 1024x768 @16bpp (simple 2M Trio64V2), also with 12 desktops but with
the one wallpaper for all. The X process is around 7M.
Apart from the differences in wallpapers, both my home and work machines
use the same enlightenment config.
I haven't used other WM's for a while, so I don't know about them. But as
you can see, Enlightenment can act quite differently. I've heard good
things about WindowMaker.
> 5) I know this is trivial, but I like the "transparent window" look. Is
> this possible with any WM?
This isn't up to the window manager. Actually, it could be. E has a drag
mode where the window becomes semi-transparent while you drag it around.
But it's really slow on my work machine here. The window manager could
perhaps do all the work to make a window translucent, but it would not be
pretty.
The 'Eterm' program (an X terminal modelled after enlightenments'
configurability) does have the ability to be transparent.
hope this helps,
bye
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Greer)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.slackware
Subject: Re: why can't I get BIG newsgroups easily? only want to pick over the new
stuff
Date: 17 Feb 1999 01:18:58 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>At that rate I'll be glad I have nettamer... ...
As a registered Nettamer user, I understand your frustration. I too would
like Pine to work better with newsgroups, and some say the improvements
are coming.
Have you tried SLRN? (ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/davis/slrn) I've found it
to be the best overall newsreader - the great thing is that it can also
provide *offline* newsreading by using the slrn-pull binary. It's totally
character-based and I find that you can save your articles in a format
that Pine will read! This provides a somewhat Nettamer-like experience
for archived messages. <grin> Be sure to get the latest slang library
(also at the same ftp site, same directory when you get slrn).
I was almost tempted to run dosemu and run Nettamer through that before I
settled down and found SLRN. I suppose that would be an interesting
option....
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From: "William H. Pridgen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mounting...
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:33:09 -0600
Grand Poobah of PRAM wrote:
>
> I'm trying to set up my Linux box (running RedHat 5.2) so that any
> user can mount cdroms and floppies. The GUI for this doesn't seem to
> be working-aside from using something like supermount, how can I pull
> this off? The mount man page has severly confused me..
You can edit /etc/fstab and add <user> as an option where needed, thus:
/dev/cdrom /cdrom iso9660 ro,user
--
Bill Pridgen
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,alt.os.linux
Subject: Announcing Project (LIMP) -- Fighting for the little guy!
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:46:04 GMT
In the age of Viagra, we find that Microsoft gets a big stiffy in boasting its
corperate partnerships...
We are here to make'em LIMP.
LIMP: The _L_inux _I_mage _M_ontage _P_roject.
http://linux.remotepoint.com
We intend to take many linux and orginizational logos and assemble them
into an image montage (like the Star Wars Poster of Darth Vader made up of
many tiny movie stills) of Larry Ewing's Tux Penguin!
Come Check Us Out, and submit your image today!
http://linux.remotepoint.com
Jordan Husney
(LIMP) Project Coordinator
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From: Tim Lines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: SuSE 5.3 -> SuSE 6.0 broke IPForwarding or routing
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:11:43 +0000
I don't know SuSe at all ( Ya know, I think there's a song here: "If I knew
SuSe like you know SuSe...". I'm sorry. It's been a long day. ) but I do know
a bit about routing and IPMasq (at least the 2.0.x version) and one thing I
don't see is anything about your ipfwadm rules.
I keep my rules hidden in /etc/rc.d/rc.local on my caldera 1.2 box. They are so
well hidden that when I upgraded from 1.1 to 1.2 the installation script didn't
know they were there and overwrote my rc.local with a new copy that had no
rules. Luckily I had done a full backup of the machine before the upgrade.
I think I'll go sing to myself for a while. Let me know if I've helped...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Rickert)
Subject: Re: Does chroot work on Red Hat Linux 5.1
Date: 16 Feb 1999 21:11:47 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Hi, perhaps someone could point out my deliberate mistake, it appears
>the chroot command on linux just fails all the time with
>'no such file or directory' I know this must be something obvious but
>I can't spot it
>[root@dev /test]# chroot /test /test/testprog
>chroot: cannot execute /test/testprog: No such file or directory
Unless the program is actually '/test/test/testprog' we would not
expect that to work.
>[root@dev /test]# chroot /test ./testprog
>chroot: cannot execute ./testprog: No such file or directory
>[root@dev /test]# ./testprog
>heello
If 'testprog' is a shell script, then it requires '/bin/sh', which is
probably not available in the chroot environment.
If 'testprog' is a dynamically linked compiled binary, then it
requires access to the dynamic link libraries, which are probably not
available in the 'chroot' environment.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William Burrow)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: Advanced RAM usage question...
Date: 17 Feb 1999 02:37:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 15 Feb 1999 23:29:38 -0800,
Michael Powe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joel> Free memory is a waste. Linux will use whatever memory it
> Joel> finds for the disk buffer cache. If that memory was instead
> Joel> just sitting around doing nothing, it would be as brain dead
> Joel> as windoze!
>
>Surely, this must be one of the dumbest remarks I've seen in a while.
>"Free memory is a waste" -- we're better off if all our memory is used
>up? That sounds like a great justification for the way Windows works.
Back in the days when memory cost $1 a byte, I don't think too many
computer types ran to the boss and said, "Look, we have $2,000,000 of
memory not being used! Aren't we smart!"
The fact is, you paid for the RAM in your computer, and extracting as
much useful work from it as possible is a good thing. Linux caches
disk activity in RAM, so that the processor can more effectively, er,
process. RAM is millions of times faster than disk and making your
CPU wait on disk reads all the time is yet another waste.
Disk cache is freed when an application requires more memory, so the
most effective use can be made of precious resources.
Disk cache and using available RAM effectively goes beyond being cool,
its part of doing high performance computing and getting value for your
money.
As a side note, I find zero swap usage annoying, because I know that
there are processes idling that could free RAM by swapping their data
out. Eventually, though, a well used system will force some processes
to swap out. Recall that disk space is a fraction of the cost of RAM,
so again you are making the most of the resources you have.
--
William Burrow -- New Brunswick, Canada o
Copyright 1999 William Burrow ~ /\
~ ()>()
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From: "Wladimir Melnikov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Simple Samba question. . . I hope
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 15:34:39 +0300
Hello, Thom V!
>Enter Network Password
>You must supply a network password to make this connection:
>Resource: \\LinuxBox\IPC$
>Password:
>
You must add following lines to smb.conf:
smb passwd file = /etc/smbpasswd
username map = /etc/smbusers
, then use smbadduser to create Samba account for Win98 user. Because Win9x
connects to remote hosts only
using logon user name (unlike NT) you must :
smbadduser root:<YourWin98UserName>
Password: <YourWin98Password>
and all be o.k. :)
Best regards,
Wlad M.
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From: "Albert Want" <al-want@#--remove--#usa.net>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Set modem speed in a script
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:14:28 -0000
I need to write a script to connect my modem to the vodafone-sms gateway at
the fixed speed of 2400bps.
I'm thinking about write this script in expect or shell script but I don't
know how to set a fixed modem speed.
Any advice is appreciated.
Please answer in mail too ! (remove #--remove--#)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: loadlin equivilent for Linux?
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:46:25 GMT
Loadlin works great for loading Linux from Windows 95/98 without requiring a
reboot. Is there an equivilent for Linux that will load Windows 95/98 without
a reboot? If one does not exist, how difficult would that be to write?
Thanks in advance for your assistance,
Andy
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:36:54 -0700
From: Rob Turpin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has too many problems
TomX wrote:
> A software engineer's experience on RedHat 5.2:
>
> Extremely difficult to install. (take me one week to get installed)
> Often hang up(esp. in X Window).
> Less descriptive error messages.
> So many problems, Linux still has a long way to go.
>
> I believe all the problems I met are caused by my hardware,
> but why Linux developers can't test on more hardware list?
About 6 months ago it took me 4 hours to install Redhat 5.0. I didn't
know any programming languages and wasn't real familiar with the *nix OS
(or any OS for that matter.) I had some basic knowledge of Unix
commands.
I've definitely had some head banging experiences playing around with my
Linux but, that's part of the learning process. I'm a rank beginner
trying to do it on my own.
I'm sure there is much work that can be done with Linux but, I think you
have a long way to go; not the OS. Don't you bother to read any of the
documentation? Or perhaps you wish to be spoon fed?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve mcadams)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: where to learn down'n'dirty character mode / graphics
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 03:45:28 GMT
[Posted & mailed, snipped, quoted is ">"]
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 00:13:15 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David M. Cook)
wrote:
>Writing software that interfaces directly with the video hardware would make
>it unportable even between different Linux platforms.
I'm not sure if that's a concern, but I'll take your word that it
would make it unportable. Portability is something I am no expert at
(though I have dragged some logic around for a good number of years
and implemented it everywhichwhere). Actually I am thinking very
seriously about getting back into assembler. It's an art-form that
dies hard, I've written only C++ for the last 5 years and I'm heavy
into machine-code withdrawl. Also I seem to recall reading something
somewhere that leads me to believe that portions of the Linux kernel
are written in assembler. All good reasons for me to sit down and do
it... so many projects, so little time; luckily all I'm getting out of
the effort is enjoyment, so the more time the better :-]
> We'd also make fun of you if you did this ;}
Promises promises. Really, my best friends make fun of me (and vise
versa), so don't worry about it. Hell boy, my -mamma- makes fun of me
(did foghorn leghorn say that? hmmm).
>>- Info about how to write character-mode code
>
>With ncurses or S-Lang.
>
>http://www.clark.net/pub/dickey/ncurses/ncurses-intro.html
>http://space.mit.edu/~davis/slang.html
Cool, thanks muchly.
>>- Info about how to do graphics without X
>
>You probably want to look at libggi. I can't find the main site, but a web
>search should find lots of info.
Is this the obsolete one? Or maybe that was svgalib? Sorry,
muttering to myself again, I remember reading that one of them was
obsolete, fallen into disrepair, or something or other. Probably my
raggedy memory playing tricks agin.
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"Always give a sucker an advantage." -steve, http://www.codetools.com/showcase
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From: Ian Hay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux has too many problems
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:39:00 -0500
TomX wrote:
>
> A software engineer's experience on RedHat 5.2:
>
> Extremely difficult to install. (take me one week to get installed)
> Often hang up(esp. in X Window).
> Less descriptive error messages.
> So many problems, Linux still has a long way to go.
>
> I believe all the problems I met are caused by my hardware,
> but why Linux developers can't test on more hardware list?
Your problems could be due to -faulty- hardware, which no developer can
really test for.
I.
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Linuxing about since June 21, 1998 <Redhat 5.1 - 2.0.35>
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