Linux-Misc Digest #63, Volume #26 Tue, 17 Oct 00 15:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Jan Schaumann)
Screen-freeze,fsck and inode 407562!!! (Jason Hogan-O'Neill)
Re: RH7 Kernel Compiling Problem (Jason Hogan-O'Neill)
need help with samba user profiles ("datagram")
Mandrake Kernel Patch help ("A.Bev")
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Robert Kiesling)
File system problem ("Chris Wong")
Re: IPChains and Cable Modems - Fequently loosing connectivity to the Internet
("Chris Prediger")
latex templates for first time latex user (Matt Garman)
Re: Linux OS under W2K (Lew Pitcher)
RPM 4.0 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
mytime script (killroy)
Problem installing rpm
postgresql : lo_export to stdout ?
Re: file is *really* tough to delete
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Search utility (robot) for Linux (Black Dragon)
Using RDEVHi, (mike)
How safe and up to date is NFS? ("Sjoerd Langkemper")
Using RDEV (mike)
Adding Linux to the boot menu of Windows2000 and WindowsNT ? (mike)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Schaumann)
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:09:43 GMT
Christopher Browne wrote:
>In our last episode (Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:03:17 GMT),
>the artist formerly known as Jan Schaumann said:
<snip>
>>The most portable document format is PDF (Portable Document FOrmat -
>>D'uh). RTF is not half as portable.
>
>PDF is readable using roughly 4 programs; that is not terribly
>satisfactory.
Potrability (with respect to a document format) is not defined by
how many programs can open/read it, but by in how much it is displayed in the
same way on different Opearting Systems/machines.
Or would you say that HTML is not portable at all, since it can be dsiplayed
properly only in one application (a browser)?
> Note that when interoperability with MS Word is one of
>the goals, PDF is a _ridiculously_ unsatisfactory option.
Indeed - if you want interoperability with MS-WORD, buy the latest Word (and
then update and upadte and update).
>Have you ever tried to load a PDF document into MS Word? I have; the
>results Aren't Terribly Satisfactory.
have you ever tried to open a MS-WORD doc with an iamge-viewer? With a
newsreader? with a simple text-editor?
The point being, PDF is not ment to be opened in Word, just as Word is ont ment
to be opened with any of the applications above.
>Further question: What application do you use to modify PDF documents?
>Adobe Acrobat appears capable of adding _annotations_, but that is a
>far cry from _editing_ the documents. In effect, it is a read-only
>format.
As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, if I wanted other people to edit my
files I would use LaTeX. I would use PDF to distribute the result.
>And this is comp.os.linux.misc, where the goal would be to have an
>option that runs on Linux. According to Adobe's web site
><http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/main.html>, the only platforms
>on which Acrobat 4.05 runs are MacOS and Windows.
I believe I would be using Framemaker if I wanted to use an adobe-product to
handle "word-processing and layout" which seems to be available for Windows,mac
and Unix.
Cheers,
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Please add smileys where appropriate.
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From: Jason Hogan-O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Screen-freeze,fsck and inode 407562!!!
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:09:35 +0300
Hi,
ON a quite regular basis (sometimes several times in one hour!!) my
screen just freezes: I cannot move the mouse cursor, do ps -df to kill
application or do CTRL+ALT+F1 - it just freezes. My only option is to
press the reboot button which means the system hasnt been correctly
shutdown. Teh consequence is that it automatically runs fsck upon
reboot. Sometimes this gets rid of the problems (more often that not it
deletes inode 407562 - always the same!) but sometimes I then have to
log in to a shell and run it manually which will fiz the problem.
Now my questions are these:
- why does the screen freeze, and how do I fix it
- when the screen freezes is there any way to unfreeze it? I cannot log
in from another computer and kill applications.
I upgraded the kernel from 2.2.12-20 to 2.2.17 but still the same
problem. The problem is always on /dev/hda2 where the main root mount
point is.
Usually this freeze happens when I run netscape or mpeg player .. but
not always. Sometimes just moving the xterm window across the screen
will cause the freeze (I am using GNOME).
Any help would be REALLy appreciated as sometimes I have lost important
work due to this problem.
Many thanks in advance,
Jason
PS To be even more of a pain in the ass is there any chance you could
copy your response to me and send it in an email. Not sure when I will
get the chance to check back here. Ta!
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From: Jason Hogan-O'Neill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH7 Kernel Compiling Problem
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 20:21:28 +0300
Metropolis wrote:
> Hey folks...
>
> Having problems recompiling a kernel in RH7. My steps are:
>
> 1. cd /usr/src/linux (symbolic link to linux-2.2.17)
> 2. make xconfig (import default Redhat config - make a few minor
> changes - save)
> 3. make dep
> 4. make clean (as directed by several sources, though I know some
> people dont' do this)
> 4. make bzImage
>
> This, of course, is where the problem comes in.
>
> I get several "warning" messages which I don't think are a problem,
> but here they are:
>
> cdrom.c:1247:84: warning: pasting would not give a valid preprocessing
> token
>
> # I also get this warning in tcp.o and tcp_input.o
>
> /usr/src/linux/include/net/ip_masq.h:273:26: warning: nothing can be
> pasted after this token
>
> # I get this in a few other files as well
>
> Here's the fatal one:
>
> make -C arch/i386/lib
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.17/arch/i386/lib'
> make all_targets
> make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.17/arch/i386/lib'
> cc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux/include -D__ASSEMBLY__ -traditional
> -c checksum.S -o checksum.o
> checksum.S:231: badly punctuated parameter list in #define
> checksum.S:237: badly punctuated parameter list in #define
> make[2]: *** [checksum.o] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.17/arch/i386/lib'
> make[1]: *** [first_rule] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.2.17/arch/i386/lib'
> make: *** [_dir_arch/i386/lib] Error 2
>
> Crapped our, sir... Any suggestions (or if you need more info to
> diagnose) would be very much appreciated...
>
> Also, I've got an AMD K6-2 processor and have been choosing
> accordingly in the xconfig setup. Does this make any difference?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Adam
before doign ANY of thos steps above do 'make mrproper' and see if that
fivxes your problem. See the upgrade page at redhat for example:
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/howto/kernel-upgrade/kernel-upgrade-3.html
I didnt have ANY problems by following these steps.
Jason
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From: "datagram" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: need help with samba user profiles
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:24:58 -0400
Hi,
I've configured Samba so that users must connect to the network to get
access to the shared files.
When a user connects, samba saves that users profile on the server. but what
I think is that when the user connects, it does not try to load the profiles
from the samba server it just looks for it in the windows machine.
How can i do, so that everytime a user connects to the samba server, the
windows systems loads that user profiles from the server and ignore the
profiles already on the windows machine.
thanks.
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From: "A.Bev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Mandrake Kernel Patch help
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 19:48:43 +0100
Hello people,
Ok i'm using Mandrake 7.1 wich has kernel 2.2.15 pathed by mandrake. I
want to install 2.2.17 in order to build my own in order to be 100% for
my maschine. But how can i also add the patches added by mandrake. I
searched a bit (since it should be open source) but can't find any
Mandrake specific patch.
thank oyu for your answers.
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Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 17 Oct 2000 13:42:38 -0400
Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus),
> In a message on Mon, 16 Oct 2000 23:34:15 +0200, wrote :
> etc.).
[Text deleted]
> I would say most of the truly hairy parts are done, since DTP is really
> just a GUI over a typesetting system, and TeX is already here.
Actually, such workstation apps do exist, but they're priced to be
used for vertical market publishing systems, not normal people.
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From: "Chris Wong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.admin,comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: File system problem
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 01:58:08 +0800
Hi,
I have a linux box web server, recently, I found that when it reboots, some
of the file system fail during the file system checking during boot up.
The error is something like:
/dev/hdb5: fsck.ext2 exit with signal 10
However, when I use fsck manually to check the file system, it says that
the
file system is clean and I can manually mount it then. Can anyone tell me
what's wrong with this file system. Also, how can I skip the file system
checking during the boot up time?
Thanks for your help.
Regards,
Chris
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From: "Chris Prediger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: IPChains and Cable Modems - Fequently loosing connectivity to the Internet
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:02:40 -0700
I had this problem too where my linux box would lose the connection to
@home. I figured that my connection was being shutdown automatically when I
wasn't active by @home to save unused bandwidth so I set up the startup
scripts with a command that will ping the default gateway once every 30
seconds in the background (ping -i 30 'gateway' > /dev/null &). This worked
for me.
"time traveller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:sHLG5.7784$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well, I have similar problem. My Setup.....
>
> Cable Modem
> |
> |
> RH 5.1 Linux Eth1
> RH 5.1 piLinux Eth0
> |
> |
> Hub___________________
> | |
> Win98 Box Win95 Box
>
> My problem is the Linux box seems to lose the connection. And it just
seems
> to happen while it's just sitting there. But when it goes, all the
> connections on both interfaces die. Right now, I can't seem to resolve
DNS
> from the Win95 box, but I can from the Win98 box.
>
> I'm sure someone has some idea what's going on here?
>
> len ralph
>
>
>
>
> Vinson Armstead wrote in message ...
> >I am almost embarrassed to say I am a SR Net ENG for a large
International
> >organization. I have been working with Ethernet since 90'..in this case I
> >know what works I just don't understand why???
>
>
> Gads, what hope do the rest of us have....
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Garman)
Subject: latex templates for first time latex user
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:01:45 GMT
Hello:
I was reading the earlier thread "Is there a MS Word... for Linux" and
someone mentioned that LaTeX is easy to teach/learn with the use of
templates. When I started using LaTeX, I just bought Leslie Lamport's
_LaTeX_2e_ book. That method worked fine, but I wonder if I could have
learned faster (or at least become more productive in a shorter amount of
time) had I used said templates instead.
My roommate has a computer on order, on which he'll run only Linux. He's
pretty smart, so learning LaTeX from the book the way I did would
certainly not be hard for him. But I was just wondering if I could
expedite the process a bit, i.e. so he could start using LaTeX for
homework and such right away.
Thanks,
MG
--
Matt Garman, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think."
-- Jethro Tull, "Thick as a Brick"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: Linux OS under W2K
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:07:41 GMT
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:57:34 -0500, "Mark S. Cubberley"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can anyone suggest a Linux distribution(s) that operates under Windows and
>is compatible with Windows 2K? Thanks
All Linux distributions can operate under Windows, and are compatable
with Windows 2K, so long as you run them in a VMWare virtual machine
under Windows.
Otherwise, _no_ Linux distribution runs "under Windows"; Linux 'owns'
the bare CPU (just like Windows 'owns' the bare CPU) and sharing is
not an option.
Lew Pitcher
Information Technology Consultant
Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employer's.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RPM 4.0
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:55:16 GMT
I've been trying various things to build a working rpm-4.0
and it just does not compile properly. If you try to install the rpm-
4.0.rpm file you can't because you aren't using rpm-4.0
which doesnt make any sense at all because you would not need an rpm
for rpm-4.0 if it is already installed.
The source for 4.0 doesn't compile properly as I mentioned. Its not
marked as a beta release, but it doesn seem at all reliable or even
usable. It always hits linker errors. I've read th docs several times
that are included with the source and all the auiliary software it
requires it installed up to date and configured fine.
I have only found people posting questions about all kinds of trouble
with it and not any success stories. Has anyone had any luck with this
at all? Please let me know, or if you know any pitfalls that are common
when compiling this that I am probably missing. Thanks
- Eric
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: killroy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mytime script
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:10:21 -0000
Hi there!!
Is there a software(and its site) that checks the time of a dial-up user.
We are using XTACACSD ij our server.
Thanks...
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem installing rpm
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:10:40 -0000
I have posted this message before in this forum. Unfortunately i can't
still solve this problem !
I have RH 6.2
I've got rpm v. 3.0.4
i managed to install rpm vs. 3.0.5 but when i tried to install rpm v.
3.0.6 I get the error rpm 3.0.6 conflicts with glibc.
I can't install rpm v.4 because the versions I installed earlier does not
support packages >3
RH 7 is not available in my country yet so upgrading is not an option,
though i know it's the safest and easiest way !
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: postgresql : lo_export to stdout ?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:10:40 -0000
Hello !
I'm using Postgresql 7.0.2-6, and I would like to use the lo_export
statement in a shell script calling psql. What I would like to do is for
psql to grab the large object and, instead of writing it to a file, to
write it to stdout so that I can input it directly into a program. In this
case the large objects are web pages that I would like to send directly to
lynx. Right now the only technique I've found is exporting to a file,
reading that file with lynx and then erasing it once done. Not very
elegant...
Any ideas ?
Moritz
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: file is *really* tough to delete
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:10:57 -0000
To be safe you need to low level format all the drives in this system and
start over. If somebody got in then you better beleive that they changed
a lot more than your ftp deamon files. If you like being hacked then by
all means just keep doing what you are doing.
Jim Schlemmer wrote:
>
> Hi.
>
> I've been trying to upgrade wu-ftp on a 6.0 Redhat system. The system's
> been hacked but I think I've got most things retored to original. In
> trying to install the wu-ftp RPM package, I came across an error that
> said it couldn't rename a file. In checkin this out, I found the
> following:
>
> [root@rss-cf bin]# pwd
> /usr/bin
> [root@rss-cf bin]# whoami
> root
> [root@rss-cf bin]# which ftpcount
> ./ftpcount
> [root@rss-cf bin]# lsattr ftpcount
> -------- ftpcount
> [root@rss-cf bin]# ls -la ftpcount
> -rwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7684 Apr 19 1999 ftpcount
> [root@rss-cf bin]# /bin/rm ftpcount
> /bin/rm: cannot unlink `ftpcount': Permission denied
> [root@rss-cf bin]# stat ftpcount
> File: "ftpcount"
> Size: 7684 Filetype: Regular File
> Mode: (0777/-rwxrwxrwx) Uid: ( 0/ root) Gid: ( 0/
> root)
> Device: 3,5 Inode: 63188 Links: 1
> Access: Mon Oct 16 13:00:35 2000(00000.00:18:38)
> Modify: Mon Apr 19 09:22:02 1999(00546.03:57:11)
> Change: Mon Oct 16 13:07:01 2000(00000.00:12:12)
>
> Strangely, I can chmod all I want.
>
> I've checked the sum's of /bin/rm, chattr, etc. with a good copy of RH
> 6.0 and everything looks good.
>
> Any ideas about how to clobber this thing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> -jim
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:25:09 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, John Hasler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 17 Oct 2000 03:51:56 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Jerry L Kreps writes:
>> I wish this real name policy was universal!
>
>How do you propose to authenticate those "real names"?
Credit records, requiring a credit card number and bank account.
What else? :-)
[.sigsnip]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.apps
Subject: Re: Search utility (robot) for Linux
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:45:19 GMT
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 11:18:31 -0400 in comp.os.linux.networking,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Chet Vora' said:
>Hi all,
>
>Does anyone know of a Windows utility like Webferret/Newsferret for
>linux ?
>
>Basically, Webferret is a search utility which searches multiple search
>engines for your query. It allows you to customize your query and
>results.Newsferret is a similar utility for newsgroups;I regularly use
>them on my Windows desktop and I was wondering if there is something
>similar for Linux. I searched download.com but couldn't find anything
>similar (maybe I missed something).
Cute 'Lil Toyz! (I'm keeping what I really think to myself ;-)
Webferret = http://www.google.com
If you can't find it with Google, it ain't out there.
Newsferret = http://www.deja.com
The webs largest Usenet archive.
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Using RDEVHi,
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:50:24 GMT
Hi,
I moved a hard drive with Redhat Linux 6.1 from a primary master on
one computer to another computer and set the
drive up as a primary slave. The issue was getting into
and running the Linux system.
I used TomsRtBt to use fdisk and identify partitions and
then mount the root partition of the Rh6.1. I then copied
the linux kernel "vmlinuz-2.12-20 to a c:\loadlin DOS
partition. I had to mount the c:\ partition to do this.
I also discovered that I had to change all the references
of /dev/hda to /dev/hdb in /etc/fstab. I was then able to
boot the system with loadlin. I also made a
boot floppy disk using "mkbootdisk".
The issue that I am bringing up is that I did not have to
use "rdev" to change the identity kernel's identity of
where the root partition was. Why didn't I have to
change it? I was able to make the boot floppy without rdev.
True I did not have to use lilo so far.
Out of curiosity I did, rdev /root/vmlinuz and the results were:
/dev/sdd2. What is /dev/sdd2? I thought that it would give
me the old root device /dev/hda10 as it was when the drive
was in another computer used as a primary ide master.
When is rdev used?
Thanks
Mike
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From: "Sjoerd Langkemper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How safe and up to date is NFS?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:50:00 GMT
I want to share my /root (root user dir) with another (trusted) computer.
The /root dir I want to share is on my server, which is also connected to
the internet so I have to deal with security.
Is NFS good for this job? Are there any alternatives?
I tried Samba but it doesn't support file permissions, I think.
Sjoerd
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Using RDEV
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:52:01 GMT
Hi,
I moved a hard drive with Redhat Linux 6.1 from a primary master on
one computer to another computer and set the
drive up as a primary slave. The issue was getting into
and running the Linux system.
I used TomsRtBt to use fdisk and identify partitions and
then mount the root partition of the Rh6.1. I then copied
the linux kernel "vmlinuz-2.12-20 to a c:\loadlin DOS
partition. I had to mount the c:\ partition to do this.
I also discovered that I had to change all the references
of /dev/hda to /dev/hdb in /etc/fstab. I was then able to
boot the system with loadlin. I also made a
boot floppy disk using "mkbootdisk".
The issue that I am bringing up is that I did not have to
use "rdev" to change the identity kernel's identity of
where the root partition was. Why didn't I have to
change it? I was able to make the boot floppy without rdev.
True I did not have to use lilo so far.
Out of curiosity I did, rdev /root/vmlinuz and the results were:
/dev/sdd2. What is /dev/sdd2? I thought that it would give
me the old root device /dev/hda10 as it was when the drive
was in another computer used as a primary ide master.
When is rdev used?
Thanks
Mike
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From: mike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Adding Linux to the boot menu of Windows2000 and WindowsNT ?
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 18:55:19 GMT
Hi,
I was wondering how one could set up a multi-operating system
boot menu for Linux, Windows2000 and / or NT? I understand
that Windows 2000 and Windows NT have their own boot
loader.
Thanks
Mike
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