Linux-Misc Digest #88, Volume #20 Thu, 6 May 99 21:13:10 EDT
Contents:
broken pipe tring to su -- linux 2.0.36 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Voodoo 3 PIC/AGP ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux, Who to buy from? (Kyle Gearhart)
Re: Problems upgrading to 2.2.6: dip, X, glib (Peter T. Breuer)
True Type Font Installation: How? (Huy Le)
Re: How to switch VTs wben X is running? (Hans Koch)
Re: SIOADDRT: is now fixed (disregard) ("Ron")
Re: printer doesnt print (parport-troubles ?) (peter)
Re: Redhat 6.0 and Netscape 4.51 ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Is Unix a single user operating system? (Bill Unruh)
Desktop size, XFree, KDE ("Matt O'Toole")
Re: PI in C (Scott Lanning)
Re: Computer virus threat to Linux? (John Chapman)
Re: Voodoo 3 PIC/AGP ? (Bruce Stephens)
Re: kernel 2.2 (Bill Unruh)
Re: Hidden files - Linux setup (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Linux enforcment of file permissions... (Robert Heller)
Re: Linux and y2k on intel (Robert Heller)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism (Andrew Carol)
Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Re: How do to capture Linux screen? (Robert Heller)
Re: Best Free X Windows Server for Win95/98 Box on Samba/Linux Network? (Ursa_M)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: broken pipe tring to su -- linux 2.0.36
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 18:55:29 GMT
I'm been having a problem lately, and I can't seem to nail it down.
Trying to "su" to any user results in a "broken pipe" on an Internet server
handling incoming mail and web services. This problem goes away after a bit,
but always comes back several times during the day. System load doesn't seem
to be a real contributor in this problem.
Currently running RedHat 4.2 w/ kernel 2.0.36. The Kernel has been compiled
w/ the following changes that I believe to be relevant.
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/tasks.h
#define NR_TASKS 2048
#define MAX_TASKS_PER_USER (NR_TASKS/2)
/usr/src/linux/include/linux/limits.h
#define OPEN_MAX 1024 /* # open files a process may have */
/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S99local
echo 4096 > /proc/sys/kernel/file-max
echo 12288 > /proc/sys/kernel/inode-max
Something odd that I've noted is that, `cat /proc/sys/kernel/files-nr`
returns "1200", This value never changes. Admittedly however I'm not sure
what this file is telling me. `cat /proc/sys/kernel/inode-nr` reports "12288
11384" and the 2nd value ranges between aprox 11300 - 11400. My
understanding is that the 2nd value is the number of avalible inodes.
Thanks in advance,
--Larry M. Smith
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Voodoo 3 PIC/AGP ?
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:09:12 GMT
Hi,
I was wondering does linux (or the Xfree system) support the Voodoo 3 card,
and if so does it support both the AGP and PCI models ? I'm using RedHat 5.1
Many thanks,
Simon.
P.S If possible cc me on your reply
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From: Kyle Gearhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux, Who to buy from?
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:18:39 GMT
I have done a great deal looking into Linux and have finally decided that I
would buy it. I don't know which one to buy Redhat, Caldera, etc. Does any one
have any advice?
Kyle Gearhart
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter T. Breuer)
Subject: Re: Problems upgrading to 2.2.6: dip, X, glib
Date: 6 May 1999 19:19:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thomas Zajic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: On Thu, 29 Apr 1999 01:57:21 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: > I have been running Slackware 3.1 for a while and a few days back I decided it
: > would be a good idea to upgrade my whole system. I didn't want to reinstall
: > because I have lots of things on my system I want to keep. To make it short, I
: > followed all instructions on www.linuxhq.com. I also upgraded to glibc 2.0.7.
: > [ ... ] ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
: Just out of curiosity (I�m also planning to upgrade my once-installed-and-only-
: updated-manually-since-then Slackware system): where did you get glibc-2.0.7?!
Likewise (slack 2.2 and very much up to date thank you). I got if off
staroffice, when installing version I dunno what. It had everything
nicely packaged, so I just put the glibc stuff in a /lib6 dir, added
that to the ld.so.conf file, and away you go. Uh .. only ld.so.2 and
maybe libdl.so (the new ones) need to be in /lib itself. Hey presto - glibc
compatibility.
: I assume I�m simply looking at the wrong places, but that�s just because I can�t
: find the _right_ ones ... ;-)
--
Peter
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From: Huy Le <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: True Type Font Installation: How?
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 15:41:32 -0400
Would anyone kindly tell how to install True Type Fonts on RedHat Linux?
TIA,
Huy
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From: Hans Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to switch VTs wben X is running?
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 14:41:50 -0500
>>While I can switch out of X to another VT, on switching back I am not
in X but
>>just have the same kind of data left on the display as you see upon
exiting X.
>>That being said, there is no active prompt although you can type on
the screen
>>with no activity other than scrolling in evidence. I wound up killing
off the X
>>processes left open in this test and all seemed to be back to normal.
>>
>>How CAN you switch back into X???
>
>X usually runs on 7. console (so you have to press Alt+F7, _not_ F6).
About the "usually":
When you use several virtual consoles
(on my PC at home: two per family member)
you need a way to find out which are used, andby whom.
Does anyone know a place where X keeps a list?
My current "hack" consists in saving the stdout from startx
in $USER/.startx$N
where $N is the number of the display.
To list the various VT's,
I extract info from these log files and from the output of "who".
But I suspect that there is a better way ...
- Hans Koch
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From: "Ron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: SIOADDRT: is now fixed (disregard)
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 12:10:34 -0700
Ron wrote in message <7grji8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Can anyone explain where this error is coming from?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (peter)
Subject: Re: printer doesnt print (parport-troubles ?)
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 19:53:22 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
says...
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> >>>>> "peter" == peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> peter> redhat5.2 kernel 2.2.5 parallel port-printer canon-bj200
>
> peter> I set the printerport to 378/irq7 in bios and mode=EPP/SPP
>
> peter> parport and parport_pc are compiled as modules
>
> peter> so I perform: # insmod parport.o # insmod parport_pc.o
> peter> io=0x378 irq=7 (the printer "awakes" at this point by
> peter> making its usual noise)
>
>
> You may need to add the following to your boot information in
> /etc/lilo.conf:
>
> append = "parport=0x378,7 lp=parport0"
>
> This sets up the printer at boot. I believe you will find most of the
> information you need in /usr/src/linux/Documentation/parport.txt.
>
thanks. due I dont have parport compiled into the kernel but using the
modules instead this one wouldnt work for me.
I�ve solved the problem now:
I upgraded to 2.2.7 and installed a parport-patch (which I found
following the parport-url in the printing-howto) and then I discovered
that I forgot to load the lp-module !!! I thought the parport-modules
would replace the lp-module !! thats wrong !!!
I now load parport, then parport_pc io=xxx irq=xxx and then lp and
printing works fine !! when I load parport_probe I just get the
information "vendor unknown" in /proc/parport/0/autoprobe. So I skip this
one.
peter
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pilsl@
ANTISPAM
goldfisch.atat.at
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 and Netscape 4.51
Date: 06 May 1999 12:55:58 PDT
Sam E. Trenholme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7gskb2$ik5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >I have been running Redhat 6.0 and NS 4.51 for a while now...
> >
> >Everytime I compose a message, the whole computer freezes on me and I
> >can't type anything. I have to cold reboot which always makes fsck go
> >crazy when linux reloads.
> Sounds like a incompatibility caused by the "upgrade" from GlibC2.0 to
> GlibC2.1.
>
> The best solution is to stick to RedHat 5.2 until they work out the bugs.
I upgraded to glibc2.1 to be able to run something else, and I just upgraded
to netscape 4.51 last night, from 4.5. Everything runs fine.
Matt O.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 20:18:28 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 06 May 1999 07:44:46 -0700...
..and Mike Coffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
>
> > If ESR is by any way a typical libertarian, then what you say is
> > wrong. For ESR, there are no nuances, just all this do-or-die coercion
> > first-use-of-force "Ethics From the Barrel of a Gun" bullshit.
>
> If ESR is a typical libertarian, he insists that everyone should be
> left alone unless they try to bludgen someone else into doing
> something they don't want to do. His philosophy is the precise
> opposite of "ethics from the barrel of a gun".
He has written an essay called _Ethics_From_the_Barrel_of_a_Gun_. He
has also written the Libertarian FAQ (AFAIK). If he weren't a typical
libertarian, I suspect many of them would disagree with him giving
that FAQ such an official-sounding name.
mawa
--
As long as you are still embarrassed by someone berating you or
plonking you on Usenet, you still treat your counterpart is human.
Which is more than you can say of certain posters, and which is
(hopefully) the right attitude. -- mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Is Unix a single user operating system?
Date: 6 May 1999 23:26:01 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jesus Monroy, Jr.)
writes:
> Most people, for what I can decearn, want a machine that
> they can use as stand alone. However, they want the is machine
> to free from most of the security glitches that plague UNIX.
> Namely, they don't want other people to be able to get into
> their machine.
If security were the issue, noone would use Win9x. They are very
insecure.
> Yes, I know M$ win95 does not do this, but a least you can
> have that an enviromentally controlled area (ie. your home).
> While it is true anyone can walk up to a win95 machine a
> simple get on that is really a *feature*.
Unix is very secure if not connected to a network. Win is very insecure
as soon as it is connected to a network. Terrible comparison you make!
> In short, as I see it two (2) release will be needed to
> accomplish any type of 'marketing' success. Both releases
> must have the ablity to walk up to a machine and just
> use it NO password with NO su issues whatsoever.
Sorry- why is this necessary??? You can certainly set up Linux that way
if you really want! In fact just run an automatic login to some user in
the init sequence. But that is silly. Why do parents not want to have
their stuff segregated from their kids? Do you really think people habe
such a difficult time typing in a name and a password? This is not the
issue!
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From: "Matt O'Toole" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Desktop size, XFree, KDE
Date: 06 May 1999 12:59:49 PDT
I want to know how to reaize my desktop. The default size seems to be
1024x768. If I run at a lower screen resolution, I get the usual panning
screen, which I hate. How can I set both the desktop *and* screen to
800x600?
Matt O.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Lanning)
Subject: Re: PI in C
Date: 7 May 1999 00:14:00 GMT
mark ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: How do I get the value (approximation) of pi in a C program?
This question is somewhat ambiguous. You could define it
#define PI 3.14159265358979323846
or, equivalently, #include <math.h>, where I found that number.
However, if you mean how do you compute PI in a C program,
well you should do your own homework. One approach I remember
from a data analysis class goes as follows. Consider an experiment
where you've inscribed a circle in a square. What's the area
of a circle? What's the area of the corresponding square?
What is their ratio? Now throw darts in a uniform random
distribution throughout the square. If you throw alot of
darts, what do you expect will be the ratio of hits within
the circle versus total hits within the square? This is one
approach; there are other methods, to be sure.... There is online
a booked called Numerical Recipes in C; it was free to download
last time I looked. Maybe it has other methods in there (e.g.,
numerical integration).
--
Scott Lanning
http://physics.bu.edu/~slanning/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Chapman)
Subject: Re: Computer virus threat to Linux?
Date: 6 May 1999 19:38:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>In his obvious haste, Tom Christiansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled thusly:
>: [courtesy cc of this posting sent to cited author via email]
>: In comp.os.linux.misc, "Matthew B. Kennedy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>: :Are there any threats to Linux systems from computer virii?
>: There is no word "virii", since there is no rule that takes "-us" to
>: "-ii". There is a rule that takes "-us" to "-uses", and I suggest you
>: use it by default, including for such words as virus and hippopotamus.
>Ahem... The plural of Hipopotamus is Hipopotami, and I imagine this is where
>the word Viri came from.
But there is no "viri" in this case. The noun "virus" (= "slime, toxin")
is neuter, and its plural presumably ends in -a (although I've never come
across it in actual literature).
>: Classically, there are also rules that take "-us" to "-i" as in radius or
>: alumnus, to "-era" as in genus and opus, to "-ora" as in corpus, and to
>: "-Us" with a macron over the long "u" as in the ancient forms of status,
>: hiatus, apparatus, and prospectus. But there is simply no rule that takes
>: "-us" to "-ii".
Just so. The bogus word "virii" would be the plural of another bogus word
"virius". And, in any event, the English plural of "virus" is "viruses".
Fowler is seldom wrong :-)
--
John Chapman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Linux-lover since 1.1.59
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From: Bruce Stephens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Voodoo 3 PIC/AGP ?
Date: 06 May 1999 21:07:00 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I was wondering does linux (or the Xfree system) support the Voodoo
> 3 card,
Yes. <URL:http://www.linux3d.org/>.
> and if so does it support both the AGP and PCI models ?
I don't know. I can confirm it works fine for the cheap V3 2000 PCI.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: kernel 2.2
Date: 6 May 1999 23:11:36 GMT
In <01be97dc$29bcf040$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Monica" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>How can I upgrade a kernel 2.0.32 Red hat to a kernel 2.2? I have a CD with
>this kernel but I dont't know what I must do.
>Thanks in advance,
If you like experimenting and figuring out why various things do not
work, just follow for example the kernel HOWTO and install the new
kernel. Many things will break. You then have the fun of figuring out
how to fix them or how to find fixes.
Alternatively, you go out and buy another CD which contains one of the
distributions which has the 2.2 kernle (eg RedHat 6.0) for $2 from a
place like cheapbytes.
Snce your version is using the 2.0.32 kernel it is an older version of
RedHat and is definitely not ready for the 2.2 kernels. This may be
regarded as simply further opportunity for fun in fixing the many many
things which will not work.
Or it could be regarded as an ideal opportunity to upgrade the whole
system.
It is your choice.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Hidden files - Linux setup
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 11:40:24 GMT
[Note FollowUp-To: header]
Alessandro Magni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Been satisfied with Linux as my new OS, I decided to shrink even more
>the Win98 partition that remains
>on my disk (most for gaming purposes).
>Unfortunately I discovered that, defragmenting it, I cannot gain the
>space I hoped, because some hidden
>file in the tail of the disk has not been moved.
Possibly the swapfile Win98 uses.
>Do you know of some program - under Win, Dos - able to display filename
>& position on disk,
>so that I can get rid of it?
Using explorer, you can see all files (even hidden ones) when changing
the default settings in the Explorer options.
Of course, you could do it as well from out of Linux, after mounting
the Win98 partition manually.
Michael
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux enforcment of file permissions...
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:14:26 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (ser du huset?),
In a message on Wed, 05 May 1999 01:54:58 GMT, wrote :
sdh> I'm really wondering how Linux enforces file permissions.
sdh> Theoratically, any program that reads the disk directly can access any
sdh> file on the hard drive (if it knows the file system, not encrypted
sdh> files)
sdh>
sdh> So does Linux prohibits its application from doing that or something
sdh> else?
sdh>
Linux (like a *true* multi-tasking/multi-user operating system), creates
a set of privilege 'rings'. The kernel itself is in the center and
user-mode applications are at the outside.
The processes running in the outer ring(s), run in a 'protected' mode --
these processes have no access to any real hardware. Period. *All* I/O
operations are via system service calls. Memory access is granted via a
MMU set up by the kernel.
User mode applications cannot access the hard drive as a device. All a
user mode application can do is (meekly) as for a file to be opened
(open(2) system service call) some where on the file system tree. The
*kernel* looks at the process's effective UID and GID and looks at the
permissions of the given file path. If the permissions allow it, the
file is opened and a descriptor (an integer) is returned. I/O to the
file is done by passing this integer back to the kernel as part of a
read(2) or write(2) call. Note: even the 'file' /dev/hda1 is a file on
the file system with its own set of permissions -- you'll find these
permissions quite restrictive.
CP/M and MS-DOS (a CP/M derivative) have no concept of process
protection modes. These 'systems' just load a program and unleash it
upon the hapless hardware with full access to all hardware resources.
MS-Windows 3.11 through Win98 are all layered on top of some version of
MS-DOS. 'Nuf said...
MS-Windows NT has a true multi-user/multi-tasking kernel and runs
user-mode processes in a 'protected' mode much like Linux. Except
MS-Windows NT 4.0 includes the *GUI* services in the kernel ring (a
really dumb idea) -- if something goes wrong at kernel level (including
NT's GUI), things generally die the hard way (eg BSOD).
X11 under UNIX runs as a series of user-mode processes. The *X-Server*
might run with a root UID on some systems to allow access to special
hardware (the video card), but otherwise runs as a normal process.
If the X server crashes, the *worst* is possibly a confused video
board. The *kernel* and the basic system integrity is still fine.
Telnet in from a network or space serial port and 'repair' the state of
the video board (eg. a video board (re-)init program).
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux and y2k on intel
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:14:30 GMT
Graham Daniell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Wed, 05 May 1999 15:11:13 +0800, wrote :
GD> There are a number of patches / TSR's available for the DOS / Windows
GD> world to "fix" the Bios of many Intel PC's to ensure the clock rolls
GD> over to year 2000 correctly and stays there.
GD>
GD> Are there any such "fixes" for Linux on Intel PC's?
GD>
GD> Regards,
GD> Graham Daniell
Yes and no.
Linux's system clock, once set on boot, it Y2K compliant. (32-bit
Linuxes (iX86) will have trouble come the year 2038, but that is a
different issue, and will likely become moot by the time it matters --
either we will all be on 64-bit processors or the Linux kernel version
in use by 2038 will use a 64-bit sized 'time_t'.)
I think you are concerned about the BIOS clock.
If your BIOS is like the BIOS in my two '486s, it rolls over from Dec.
31, 1999 to Jan 1, 1900, but can be set to Jan 1, 2000 and then behaves
just fine from then on.
What *I* am going to do is put in a (root) cron job to run just after midnight
Jan 1, 2000 that does a '/sbin/clock -w'. My main box runs 24/7, since
it is a FidoNet BBS. I'll set my '486 laptop the same way and will just
leave it running overnight (pluged into the wall).
--
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Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 17:05:35 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, 06 May 1999 13:58:15 -0700, Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >This is not about theory, but about what simply "is". Give them an
> >alternative that is better from _their_ point of view, and they will go
> >for it. Until then, you are just spouting slogans and tilling at
> >windmills.
>
> They don't have a point of view.
I'm sure from your lofty and self important position they don't.
>From where I live they most certainly do have a point of view. They
are generally fairly happy. (You would claim they don't know how
unhappy they really are. I would claim you are a snob.) If you
presented something better to them, they would probably take an
interest. You are certainly free to try to do something better. I
would personally love to support an effort to make things better
through Free software.
The part you don't get is that your values may not match their values.
It's not personal to them. They don't have anything against Bill
Gates.
Right now they have something that generally works good enough to get
the job done. You have ideas which may lead to a much better future.
But your future is not here now. Because of that they don't care about
your future. The day you can give them a real alternative is the day
they can consider switching.
You have to win based on the value free software can deliver, not on
spouting hate against what is already out there. They don't want to
know whats wrong with what they have, but whats right about what you
can give them now. Not what you can give them tommorrow, but today.
Oh well....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: GNU reeks of Communism
Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 17:54:49 -0700
On Thu, 06 May 1999 17:05:35 -0700, Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 06 May 1999 13:58:15 -0700, Andrew Carol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>
>> >This is not about theory, but about what simply "is". Give them an
>> >alternative that is better from _their_ point of view, and they will go
>> >for it. Until then, you are just spouting slogans and tilling at
>> >windmills.
>>
>> They don't have a point of view.
>
>I'm sure from your lofty and self important position they don't.
When do they get an opportunity to have a point of view?
>
>From where I live they most certainly do have a point of view. They
>are generally fairly happy. (You would claim they don't know how
>unhappy they really are. I would claim you are a snob.) If you
They certainly seem happy when I'm bailing them out
of some WinTel mess and being their gratis tech support.
>presented something better to them, they would probably take an
>interest. You are certainly free to try to do something better. I
That is the historical absurdity. There has always been
something better in any or all respects except save one:
marketshare.
[deletia]
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How do to capture Linux screen?
Date: Fri, 07 May 1999 00:56:49 GMT
Khajohsak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Thu, 06 May 1999 23:59:11 +0700, wrote :
K> How to capture Linux screen both command line and X-windows. Please
K> help.
Command line:
Except for svgalib stuff, just use '> file' or '| tee file' to catch
the output of a program. To catch the whole interaction, you can use
the typescript command (at least in csh/tcsh).
X-Windows:
xv will do it:
xv -> Right Button -> Grab -> follow the directions in the dialog box.
You can also use the mouse to cut/paste from xterm windows to editor
windows, etc. You can fork shells under GnuEmacs and save the shell
input/output too.
K>
K> Thank.
K> John
K>
K>
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From: Ursa_M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.x,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Best Free X Windows Server for Win95/98 Box on Samba/Linux Network?
Date: Thu, 06 May 1999 20:19:39 -0400
> Timothy Litwiller wrote:
>
> > yes, please send an URL
> >
> > Eugene VonNiederhausern wrote:
> >
> > > Cyrus Mehta wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I am creating a dual Windows/Linux environment using Samba for file serving
> > > > on a standard Ethernet network. I was wondering what kind of X server software
> > > > for the Windows side I could use to run some X windows apps off of the LInux
>Box.
> > > >
> > > > Reliability is the most important factor, windows will crash often enough
>without
> > > > the help of the X server.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > CKM
> > >
> > > Yesterday, I found the best X server/viewer for windows (and linux) that I have
> > > seen yet and it is free (GNU Public License). It is called VNC from Olivetti and
> > > Oracle research laboratory. You can connect from linux->windows, windows->linux,
> > > linux->linux, windows->windows. It is a lot better than any of the other products
> > > I have seen ot this kind. I don't have the URL (it is at work) you can email
>me or
> > > post a reply and I will get it and reply.
>
> The URL is http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ . Let me know what you think...
Ursa_M --> I am also using the VNC server and find it to be very reliable and
generally
excellent. The install was easy. I tend to launch and kill the server from a
hyperterminal
window via telnet and then sign onto the VNC X windows. VNC is persistent. Unless
you kill
the session, the next time you login you will be EXACTLY where you were when you
closed the
window. Server sessions can be conveniently killed from a command line, telnet or
direct,
to keep that from being a problem. On the other hand, if you had multiple devices
going and
wanted to keep an X windows session up while you moved from device to device then this
is a
"feature" you would like. Personally, I haven't had a use for that yet so just kill
the
session before I shut down my Win98 machine. VNC has never caused a hiccup on either
the
Win98 or Linux side and is a very thin client on the Win98 side.
Take care,
Ursa_M
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