Linux-Misc Digest #88, Volume #21 Mon, 19 Jul 99 21:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: newbie wants advice (Thomas Ruedas)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Michael Chisari)
Re: Can "top" memory use stats be trusted? (John Doe)
Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap ("U. Art")
Re: tulip.o ("Ricky J. Sethi")
Re: Newbie problem...surprise (Floyd Davidson)
MS Exchange Server ("Hugh")
Linux tape backup crash? (Chip Coldwell)
Re: VGA programming (Lev Babiev)
Re: suse compilation problems (suse 6.1) (Gadget)
Debian 2.1 newbie (Salman Ahmed)
Re: tulip.o ("Snowi3")
Re: Store a date in a variable. (Chris Gushue)
Re: Xterm positioning and size (Chris Gushue)
Scrolling with a mouse wheel in Linux ("jb")
Configure the Telnet Daemon in RH 6.0 Pentium III - 450Mhz (Nicola Taibi)
Hang on RH 5.1 (Simon Andre Simonsen)
Problem with installing kernel 2.2.* (Shekhar Patkar)
Re: tulip.o ("Ricky J. Sethi")
Re: root password (Ron McKown)
Re: RH52, cannot make boot floppy ("Brad Ball")
Re: Can Linux read FAT32 partitions (Holczhammer Mark)
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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:25:42 +0200
From: Thomas Ruedas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: newbie wants advice
>1. Is Linux really as stable as people say it is?
Yes.
>2. Can I find a wide choice of applications that run on Linux?
Yes. There are lots of freeware/open source software, and there are also
commercial vendors selling products for linux. To get an impression of
what comes with a typical widely-used distribution, have a look at the
Debian home page: http://www.debian.org/ (there are other distributions,
though, e.g. SuSE or Red Hat).
>3. If so, are they affordable (compared to their Windows-based
>counterparts)?
I paid 40 deutschmark (approx.$20 or 25) for my set of 3 Linux CDs,
which came with Linux and a lot of applications. As there is a lot of
freely availbable software, it surely is affordable :) I am using such
software under Linux without exception, and I can do almost everything
with it I need to do, from typesetting to graphics.
>4. What are the disadvantages of using Linux?
The learning curve is steeper. However, you don't need to become a unix
guru before being able to use Linux. I'm far from being a guru either
and a quite happy Linux user since 4 years, anyway.
>5. What is the minimum home PC for which linux is recommended?
There are people running it on 486 boxes. I have a P100 with 40 MB of
RAM and 10.1 GB HD, 8 GB of which are assigned to Linux. However you can
do with less disk space as well.
>6. What else does someone like me need to know?
You should get a basic knowledge of unix.
HTH,
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J.W. Goethe University Frankfurt/Main
Feldbergstrasse 47 D-60323 Frankfurt/Main, Germany
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From: Michael Chisari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:11:17 GMT
In article <7mse68$6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz) wrote:
> The free market works in NO situation. Capitalism, understood as
> dictatorship by the capitalists, "works" only if human dignity and
> human needs are irrelevant.
>
> >It's the Marxist-Leninists' fault to think one can run a whole
> >society on socialism as well as it is the Libertarians' fault
> >that one can run the works on capitalism.
>
> Socialism is based on cooperation and democracy while capitalism
> is based on competition (ie, War) and dictatorship. You can't run
> the world on destruction alone but you sure as bloody hell *can*
> run it on construction alone! The same applies to honesty vs. lies
> in moral philosophy. The situation is *not* symmetric.
>
> So while it's obvious that Libertarians are full of shit and idiots
> besides, the Marxists have hit upon a fundamental principle of nature.
Socialism is fine, but Marxism is very dangerous. A ruling
class composed of the working man is still a ruling class. They
soon change from the proletariet to the bourgouise, only this time
they have complete control over society and the economy.
Libertarianism is fine, but laissez faire capitalism is also
very dangerous. Unchecked capitalism would lead to a depletion of
natural resources, an incredible gap between the classes, and
a society full of unhealthy (mentally/physically/emotionally)
"consumers".
So what choice is there? "Libertarian Socialism", also known
as Anarchism. It's the idea that nobody is fit to rule over another
person, whether as government/citizen or employer/employee. It is
also the idea that people accomplish more, and accomplish it faster,
more creatively, and more ethically, in a horizontal group than in a
vertical group.
Find out more at: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/
In regards to the question about competition promoting incentive,
yes that is true. But people are equally cooperative as well as
competitive. And there are good forms of competition (people working
on the linux kernel to achieve hacker status) and there are bad
forms of competition (Microsoft destroying a technically superior
product by means of the market).
It's my opinion that Linux is the best, most sincere example of
Libertarian Socialism that has ever existed. I have sincere beliefs
that it is a model of what our society may look like in 50 years.
That would make me die a happy man.
--
Michael Chisari [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Got a revolution behind my eyes, we got to get up and organize."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Doe)
Subject: Re: Can "top" memory use stats be trusted?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 19 Jul 1999 17:53:06 -0500
On Sun, 18 Jul 1999 11:52:10 +0100, Graham Higgins
>Can "top" memory use stats be trusted?
Yes
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From: "U. Art" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 18:28:11 +0600
Karl Marx was a fat and hairy chap.
Karl Marx was a fat and hairy chap.
Karl Marx was a fat and hairy chap.
I'm bored to death and my degradation is such that I engage in trolling
now. Karl Marx was a fat and hairy chap.
Michael Chisari wrote:
> Socialism is fine, but Marxism is very dangerous. A ruling
> class composed of the working man is still a ruling class.
And why don't you concentrate on "working man" (as compared with 'ruling
class')? What's so special about the 'working man'? An illiterate smelly
ass he is.
> Find out more at: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/1931/
Stay away from geocities, unless you wanna get hit by a cookie diarrhea
and endless pop-up ads.
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From: "Ricky J. Sethi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tulip.o
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 15:35:32 -0700
William Burrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
[Apocalyptic Snip]
> I believe that comp.os.linux is a defunct newsgroup since the formation
> of col.misc.
[Post-Apocalyptic Snip]
Looks like it got truncated; it should've been comp.os.linux.networking...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Floyd Davidson)
Subject: Re: Newbie problem...surprise
Date: 19 Jul 1999 21:52:13 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Darryl L. Pierce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:22:22 -0500, Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>;On most Linux systems you would do this in .bash_profile.
>
>That only works if the user is using the Bourne shell. It won't affect people
>using ksh, csh, tcsh, etc...
The Bourne Shell doesn't use .bash_profile either. Only bash does.
And indeed, most Linux systems use bash rather than any of the others.
Floyd
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Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: "Hugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: MS Exchange Server
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:42:41 -0500
I need advice on setting up a connection to a MS Exchange Server off a Linux
Box.
Our organization is using MS Outlook and an Exchange Server to handle email.
I would like to get my email through the Ex. Server, but using RedHat Linux
6. Any ideas?
--
Hugh A. Duguid, Professor
Hopkinsville Community College
P.O. Box 2100
Hopkinsville, KY 42241-2100
(502) 886-3921 x 149
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chip Coldwell)
Subject: Linux tape backup crash?
Date: 19 Jul 1999 21:03:03 GMT
I've been having serious problems doing tape backups under Linux: namely
the backup (using either 'tar' or 'dump') proceeds nicely until suddenly,
without warning, the entire system freezes. I've had the same problem
with both 2.0.36 (RedHat 5.2) and 2.2.5 (RedHat 6.0) kernels, using several
different kinds of SCSI tapes and SCSI controllers. Does anybody have a
clue?
--
Charles M. "Chip" Coldwell | "Level by nature to this earth's horizon
Graduate Student | are the glances of man's eyes; not shot
Physics Department | from the crown of his head, as if God had
Harvard University | meant him to gaze on His firmament."
Cambridge, MA 02138 |
(617) 495-3037 | --Melville
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From: Lev Babiev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: VGA programming
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:58:56 -0400
afaik Xconfigurator is not vga based (unless they made a new version).
Last
I checked it bas console based using newt. Check out newt and slang for
making this kinda progs.
- Lev
Burra wrote:
>
> What type of library/header file do they use to do VGA graphics like
> Xconfigurator does?? Anyone know and if so where can I find doncumentation
> on it???
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gadget)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: suse compilation problems (suse 6.1)
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:21:50 GMT
On Tue, 20 Jul 1999 03:19:30 +1000, "A Nourai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
made the world a better place by saying:
>out of curiosity has anyone else had problems compiling 3rd party software
>under suse (6.1). For me kernels compile fine, but with other programs
>including binutils (i need to compile my own special one to run some m68k
>assembly simulators) I get some strange errors. In particular xmkfm cant
>find its template confg file.
>i havent supplied any detail here. I'm just wondering if this happens to
>other people as it might point me in the direction to fixing the probs.
>
I noticed that I had to create symbolic links in /usr/lib/ that
pointed to libraries in ../X11R6/lib because otherwise I couldn't
compile.
Is this Suse related or am I missing something?
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From: Salman Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.user,alt.os.linux
Subject: Debian 2.1 newbie
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:20:26 -0400
I just got my Debian 2.1 CD set today. Before I get started with the
install I had a few questions that I was hoping to get answered :
(1) I am looking for postscript/PDF/dvi documentation for getting
started with Debian 2.1. I wanted to get a postscript copy of the
Debian book "Debian GNU/Linux : Guide to installation and usage"
but couldn't find one. I found an HTML version but that was formatted
too badly to print!! Any pointers (URLs, etc.) to other Debian-specific
documentation particularly for things like dselect, apt, etc. would be
very helpful.
(2) I will be burning a CD in a couple of days and was wondering what
.deb packages I should download to ensure I have all the updates for
Debian 2.1. Any suggestions on what would be good to download ?
(3) Are there any Debian-specific sites (other than debian.org!) with
.deb packages, docs, etc. ?
Thanks for any info.
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From: "Snowi3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tulip.o
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 01:04:15 +0200
You don't think you can paste the thread in this ng, since the comp.os.linux
group is not losted on my news server
/Snowi3
Ricky J. Sethi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7mv253$l5r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Snowi3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:7muqho$qs6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > I already have the latest version of tulip, and it makes no difference
> what
> > version I am running
> >
> > /Snowi3
> > Perry Pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 02:28:06 +0200, Snowi3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Hi
> > > >
> > > >I have a cnet pro110b fast ethernet card, 10/100 mbit .... I found
out
> > > >through cnet that it's based on the Asix 88140 chip. And through the
> net,
> > I
> > > >found out that this chip is supported by the tulip.o driver .... I
> > modprobed
> > > >with it, and it found a card ... I recompiled the kernel, and
inserted
> > > >support for the tulip.o driver ..... And it finds a card on bootup,
> > > >modprobes it, and up's it and everything ... when I run ifconfig, I
> have
> > an
> > > >eth0 with the ip 192.168.1.10 ... And no errors what sp ever when it
> > boots
> > > >up the card, it even identifies the chip as AX88140 ..... But
whenever
> I
> > try
> > > >to ping another ip on my network, and on the same subnet, like
> > 192.168.1.20,
> > > >I get a 100 % packet loss, and no replies. I works fine to ping my ip
> > > >internal though, like if I ping 192.168.1.10, I get full reply .....
> And
> > > >then there is another strange thing .... When I ping another on my
net,
> > the
> > > >lamp on the hub that is lid for my nic blinks, so obviesly there is
> > > >something going on on the network ...... I know the card is ok, since
> it
> > > >works fine in windows ... Does anybody have an idea ??
> > > >
> > >
> > > Get the latest version of the tulip.c driver at:
> > >
> > > http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/tulip.c
> > >
> > > and either compile it as a module or replace the drivers/net/tulip.c
> file
> > > in your kernel source with this tulip.c and rebuild your kernel.
> > >
> > > Perry
> > >
> > >
> [SNIP]
>
> Hi,
>
> You might want to check the "Re: Machine disappears till ping" thread
under
> comp.os.linux and the IP Aliasing problem thread on linux.redhat.misc.
>
> Good luck,
>
>
> Rick.
>
>
>
>
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From: Chris Gushue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Store a date in a variable.
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:51:46 -02-30
Bertrand LEFEBVRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I'd like to store a formatted date like date +'%d%m%y' in a variable
: called NOW to be able to keep trace of some files ex: passwd to keep it
: like passwd.290799. Thanks .
In a sh or bash script you can set it like this:
NOW=`date +%y%m%d`
(instead of %d%m%y - makes for easier sorting)
Then you can call up the variable later in the script like:
cp /etc/passwd /backup/passwd.$NOW
Take a look at http://home.thezone.net/~seymour/ziplogs for an example.
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http://home.thezone.net/~seymour/index.php3
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From: Chris Gushue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Xterm positioning and size
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:44:39 -02-30
Roger Helgesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: How do you start a Xterm window at a given position and with a given size ??
bash$ xterm -help
XFree86 3.3.3(88) usage:
xterm [-options ...] [-e command args]
where options include:
-version print the version number
[...]
-geometry geom size (in characters) and position
[...]
So, run something like this from your .xinitrc or wherever:
bash$ xterm -geom 80x25+100+100
with 80 being the width in characters, and 25 the height in characters,
and +100+100 the X and Y position - I usually get confused with this part
and always have to refer to a man page :)
For non-terminal X programs, most of them should interpret the geometry as
pixels rather than characters.
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Chris Gushue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ICQ:409207
http://home.thezone.net/~seymour/index.php3
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From: "jb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Scrolling with a mouse wheel in Linux
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 19:42:32 -0400
Is it possible to setup my Linux system to use the wheel scroller on my
mouse while in X?
I am running RedHat 5.0?
If so, how can I do it?
Thanks
J Burns
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nicola Taibi)
Subject: Configure the Telnet Daemon in RH 6.0 Pentium III - 450Mhz
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 20:45:19 GMT
Hi to all unix gurus,
well, I have installed RH 6.0 on my Pentium III - 450Mhz with
successful result.
My network card is a 3Com Etherlink XL 3C900-Combo and i can ping from
the client to my server and viceversa, but cannot telnet from the
client.
I appreciate any help if someone can point me to how configure the
Telnet Daemon in my system.
Thanks in advance,
Nick
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From: Simon Andre Simonsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hang on RH 5.1
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:50:21 GMT
Hello !
I have a Hawlett Packard pc with RH 5.1 an it hangs, the earlier
versions did not hang.
I have two ethernet cards in PCI can this be the problem ?
If you know any ting about this fell free to E-mail me
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Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:11:09 -0700
From: Shekhar Patkar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Problem with installing kernel 2.2.*
Hi,
I have a RH 5.1 system that I had upgraded to kernel 2.0.36 (started
with 2.0.34, then 35....). This kernel works fine. When I tried to
install
2.2.7 and later 2.2.9, I have a problem that after printing the message
about uncompressing the kernel, nothing gets printed on the screen.
Things *are* happening, though, because my hard drive makes the same
sounds as the 2.0.36 kernel, when the partitions run fsck and mount up.
After some time, since nothing happens, I have to shut off my machine
by hand and go through the partition check cycle the next time I start.
I've configured the system to exactly the same options as my 2.0.36
kernel, and for the extra options, I took the default. I've gone through
the HOWTO and couldn't find anything that mirrors my problem....can
someone help me?
Thanks,
Shekhar
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From: "Ricky J. Sethi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: tulip.o
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:41:51 -0700
Snowi3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7n0b32$l34$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> You don't think you can paste the thread in this ng, since the
comp.os.linux
> group is not losted on my news server
>
> /Snowi3
[SNIP]
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > You might want to check the "Re: Machine disappears till ping" thread
> under
> > comp.os.linux and the IP Aliasing problem thread on linux.redhat.misc.
> >
> > Good luck,
> >
> >
> > Rick.
> >
Hi Snowi,
That might be a bit much since the thread wasn't exactly small... but how
about if I email you the relevant posts? If this is acceptable, drop me a
line ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and I'll forward those posts directly to you.
Adios,
Rick.
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From: Ron McKown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general
Subject: Re: root password
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 22:43:52 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ---
> Why doesn't single user mode ask for root's password as well? It
> would seem to me that this could be a security breach. What is there
> to stop someone from walking into my office, booting my system up in
> single user mode, and then having their way with my files?
if someone really wanted yer files, they could remove your hard drive from
that machine and mount it into another... full access baby...
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From: "Brad Ball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RH52, cannot make boot floppy
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:44:30 GMT
Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> We encountered this problem and found it was due to multiple
> entries in /etc/conf.modules. Apparently upgrading added
> entries that were already there. After removing extra
> copies of entries for the ethernet card and scsi adapter
> we found that mkbootdisk worked correctly.
Well we can't even boot this machine since I cannot create a boot floppy
during the installation. No matter if I try to install LILO on the hard
drive itself or just create a boot floppy, the installation just says "An
error has occured". So the installation completes but I have no boot manager
and no boot floppy. That kind of makes it hard to login ;-) Any other ideas?
This is driving me crazy!
Brad.
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From: Holczhammer Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can Linux read FAT32 partitions
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 00:31:07 GMT
Eduardo M Kalinowski wrote:
> Can Linux (I use the 2.2.1 kernel) read Windows 98/OSR2 FAT32
> partitions? If so, is there a special filesystem type to use in the
> mount command (or will vfat work)?
>
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> Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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