Linux-Misc Digest #795, Volume #20 Sat, 26 Jun 99 07:13:09 EDT
Contents:
Re: Docbook? Linuxdoc? Re: Documentation issues. (Russ Allbery)
Re: Mounting Troubles (Jaysus!)
Re: xdiff / graphical merge utility? (Paul F. Kunz)
Re: How can I lower X:s footprint ? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Mounting Troubles (jik-)
Re: linux and CDRW? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Win98 partition mounted, not writable (Lee Allen)
Re: Linux 2.2.10 does not know make zImage?? (Georg Schwarz)
parallel port on Sparc? (Georg Schwarz)
Re: glib & gtk+ ???? HELP!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux 2.2.10 does not know make zImage?? (Georg Schwarz)
Re: Terminal File Manager (Tom Shannon)
Critical Decision ("Paul Davies")
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft Retest
News ("John Hughes")
Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft Retest
News (Robin Becker)
Re: nanosleep() ?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
grap utility and man page??? (M Sweger)
Re: Discussion of Linux 2.2 upgrades from 2.0 (Marc Mutz)
Re: Discussion of Linux 2.2 upgrades from 2.0 (Marc Mutz)
Re: Installing Glibc (Marc Mutz)
Re: long filenames unsupported on mounted cd's (Marc Mutz)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("John Hughes")
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From: Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Docbook? Linuxdoc? Re: Documentation issues.
Date: 26 Jun 1999 01:22:43 -0700
In gnu.misc.discuss, Cameron L Spitzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There's a thing called /usr/doc/sgml-base. It's about "entity
> management." A classic case of useless "documentation." That is,
> documentation for people who don't need any documentation because they
> already know more about the subject than is revealed in the
> "documentation."
Welcome to the current sorry state of SGML documentation. A while back, I
looked through a whole bunch of web pages and sgmltools-related packages
trying to find some usable documentation. The only thing I managed to
find were DTDs and documentation that read like DTDs.
I've had far more than enough of reading DTDs for one lifetime, thank you.
They do not constitute documentation.
The SGML folks appear to have done what the LDAP standardization folks
also seem to be doing, namely invent a brand new language to talk about
what they do. I'm sure it must work quite well for them, and I can see
the utility in having well-defined terms, but they have to also write
documentation that explains this to the rest of the world or no one is
going to *use* anything they produce.
--
Russ Allbery ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) <URL:http://www.eyrie.org/~eagle/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jaysus!)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Mounting Troubles
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 04:40:57 -0900
Eh? I don't even have /dev/fd0u1440. Are you sure you didn't mean fd0h1440?
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Alright, here we go again. . .
> > I want to mount my floppy drive. It should be painfully simple, yet I
> > am unable to get it to work:
> >
> > When I type mount /mnt/floppy, I get the error "/dev/fd0 has wrong
> > major or minor numbers". Now what the hell does "wrong major or minor
> > numbers"mean, and then how can I rectify it? /dev/fd0 says
> > brw-r--r--1 root root 2, 0 Jun 22 09:55 /dev/fd0
> >
> > isn't that what it's supposed to read? Aren't the major/minor numbers
> > supposed to be 2, 0 ?
>
> Yes, /dev/fd0 is 2, 0 on my machine. Look at /dev/fd0u1440 should be 2,
> 28
> >
> > Help?
> >
> > If it matters, I'm running MKLinux DR3 with Generic 7.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul F. Kunz)
Subject: Re: xdiff / graphical merge utility?
Date: 25 Jun 1999 07:08:59 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown) writes:
> On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 19:20:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >Eric George <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> On SGI's the is a nice utility called xdiff. It brings up to text files
> >> in side by side windows and highlights the differences between the
> >> files. You can the scroll through and choose which version of each
> >> difference you want to keep and save the result. Very handy for looking
> >> at different versions of source files and such!
> >...
> >
> > http://www.ede.com/free/tkdiff/index.html
>
> now is there something that doesn't require tk/tcl?
>
Try `ediff' under Emacs.
--
Paul F. Kunz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Stanford Linear Accelerator Center, Stanford University
Voice: (650) 926-2884 Fax: (650) 926-4335
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How can I lower X:s footprint ?
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 09:24:14 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 08:22:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >On my 16MB system, X-window uses 30-35%, and that is too much.
> >
> >Is there anything I can do to make it smaller, besides lowering
screen
> >res or colour resolution, which is 1024x768x16 and the smallest I can
> >live with.
>
> Jeez. There's a phrase for you. Something like
> "caviar lifestyle on a shoestring budget"
> If you're going to insist on the good stuff, then you'll have to PAY
THE
> MONEY. Pay the $50 or whatever for another 16 meg chip!
>
> I presume you're not doing anything odd like trying to run KDE or
anything
> other than a trivial window manager, also.
There is no $50 chip solution available, since I have the first version
VX motherboard, and the SDRAMS in store now does not work.
The figure for X:s footprint is from TOP. I dont understand what you
meen with caviar lifestyle, I have used this resolution in windows95 for
a long time, and it has not been a major performance problem. (lots of
other problems though, as everybody knows)
I am aware that only 16MB is not the optimal configuration, I only
wanted suggstions on how to make it slightly better, and the largest
process running was X window, if this could be made smaller, a lot would
have been won, I believe.
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: jik- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Mounting Troubles
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 00:20:54 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Alright, here we go again. . .
> I want to mount my floppy drive. It should be painfully simple, yet I
> am unable to get it to work:
>
> When I type mount /mnt/floppy, I get the error "/dev/fd0 has wrong
> major or minor numbers". Now what the hell does "wrong major or minor
> numbers"mean, and then how can I rectify it? /dev/fd0 says
> brw-r--r--1 root root 2, 0 Jun 22 09:55 /dev/fd0
>
> isn't that what it's supposed to read? Aren't the major/minor numbers
> supposed to be 2, 0 ?
Yes, /dev/fd0 is 2, 0 on my machine. Look at /dev/fd0u1440 should be 2,
28
>
> Help?
>
> If it matters, I'm running MKLinux DR3 with Generic 7.
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Subject: Re: linux and CDRW?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:33:18 GMT
According to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I agree with you that cdrecord can deal with CDRW but when I
> use cdrecord blank=all (track) -force -dev=0,3,0 my whole disk (or
> track) is wiped out.
> I don't want that. I just need to replace a single file (or directory).
> How to do that?
You don't. Not easily, anyhow. In theory you can do this with packet
writing, if your drive supports it, and there is a driver for Linux.
I'm certain there must be someone working on a packet writing driver
for linux, but I have no idea the status. Do a search on "cdrw packet
write linux" and see what you come up with, or ask the question here
with a descriptive subject.
-p.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lee Allen)
Subject: Re: Win98 partition mounted, not writable
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 20:43:27 GMT
>This is just a guess. But I think you could try mount -t vfat /dev/hda1/
>/mnt/win98 rw or something like that. Make sure the rw is somewhere in there I
>guess.
No, it's already mounted rw.
-Lee Allen
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Georg Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.10 does not know make zImage??
Date: 26 Jun 1999 09:41:31 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Georg Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
>= why doesn't it know about make zImage? Is there anything missing?
>Perhaps they went totally with the bzImage instead...
>Did you try make bzImage?
I did, but it does not work (and it does not make sense on a hardware
platform with a good memory model anyhow).
--
Georg Schwarz ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP 2.6ui)
Institut f�r Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254 FAX -21130 IRC kuroi
Technische Universit�t Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Georg Schwarz)
Subject: parallel port on Sparc?
Date: 26 Jun 1999 10:34:21 GMT
Does the parallel port work with Linux on a Sparcstation 10?
--
Georg Schwarz ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP 2.6ui)
Institut f�r Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254 FAX -21130 IRC kuroi
Technische Universit�t Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: glib & gtk+ ???? HELP!!!
Date: 26 Jun 1999 10:36:19 +0100
Gnome library anf gnome tool kit, I believe. You can find RPM's
in the RPM repository at http://rufus.w3.org
Ian
Eric Wyles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This is probably going to be an easy one.
>
> When I try to install some rpm files on redhat 5.2, I get an
> error message that says:
>
> failed dependencies:
> glib >= 1.2.2 is needed by ____________
> gtk+ >= 1.2.2 is needed by ____________
>
> this has happened with GNOME and XMMS. Can someone please
> tell me what these glib and gtk+ are and where I can get the
> latest version?
>
> I would like these in .rpm format if I can get it, but if
> not, I'll settle for something else.
>
> Thanks,
> Eric
>
>
>
> **** Posted from RemarQ - http://www.remarq.com - Discussions Start Here (tm) ****
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Georg Schwarz)
Subject: Re: Linux 2.2.10 does not know make zImage??
Date: 26 Jun 1999 09:44:24 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stuart R. Fuller) writes:
>I see that your prompt says "antarktis 127% ~/linux>". Umm, what is your
>current directory when you type the "make zImage" command? You need to be in
>"/usr/src/linux" directory.
I have unpacked the kernel sources into my ~ due to space limitations on
/usr.
>If I've guessed wrong, then ask again.
you're correct, but that's not the issue here.
As it turned out, the Makefile for Sparc (and Alpha) does not know about
zImage at all. This is the reason. I'd say this is a flaw in those
Makefiles shipping with Linux 2.2.X.
--
Georg Schwarz ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP 2.6ui)
Institut f�r Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254 FAX -21130 IRC kuroi
Technische Universit�t Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Shannon)
Subject: Re: Terminal File Manager
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 06:05:41 -04-59
On Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:57:40 -0400, Tarkaan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
(cut)
> It
>included basic commands only (copy, move, change active directory,
>things like that). Is there something like that for a linux terminal?
>Or do I need to learn C and write one? :)
>
>Just to let you know where I'm coming from, I was really irate when
>everyone started using Xtree Gold, I thought it had too many options. :)
>
>Would there be a market for this if I were to write one? Do you think
>people would use it?
I personally (along with many other people) use Midnight Commander
(mc). I find it to be extremely fast on even the slowest machines.
It does have many options. But it required no setup and it does all
the major file operations with a single keystroke.
Why would we switch?
Tom
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From: "Paul Davies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Critical Decision
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 22:58:48 +0100
I've just set up a startup which has recently attracted significant funding.
We are building a high performance OLTP web based application using Oracle
8i.
Having been developed on Linux, I am a keen advocate. However, I know Linux
has not proven it self as an enterprise, high throughput database server. I
am therefore losing sleep trying to decide between Solaris or Linux.
I'm generally a risk taker, so I'd quite like to bet on a clustered linux
solution with load balancing running Oracle 8i. However, I've also got to
run the company and want to minimize the technology risk (there are enough
risks as it is!)
I would be interested in what people think about the Linux vs Solaris on
database servers.
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From: "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft
Retest News
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 10:53:02 +0100
How about these? Did MS cheat also? ;)
http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2256617,00.html
http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/jumps/0,4270,401961,00.html
Ochran Industries <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999, J. Maynard Gelinas wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> > And I don't see Rob Malda complaining about the poor performance
> > of his dual-CPU x86 box running Linux and serving Slashdot to a
> > _large_ audience. Do you honestly think NT would provide better
> > uptime and throughput than Linux for that task?
> >
>
> I can just see that - "I've got this great website that basically has
> everything to do with everything that is good about linux, but have
> decided to run it on an NT boxen."
>
> >
> >
>
> --
> westyX
> It's not that i am a cannibal, it's just that human flesh is so tasty.
> I believe in preemptive righting of wrongs.
> Babylon 5 - Death to all unbelievers
> Home grown and better than the bought ones.
>
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From: Robin Becker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,omp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix
Subject: Re: Could Microsoft Cheat On The New Mindcraft Benchmark? (was: Mindcraft
Retest News
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:56:07 +0100
In article <7l280k$1d9i$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hughes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>How about these? Did MS cheat also? ;)
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2256617,00.html
>
>http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/stories/jumps/0,4270,401961,00.html
>
>
...
a bit off topic, but an article in my paper, the Independent, states
that M$'s encarta has different versions for different countries. If M$
can claim in the US that Edison (October 1879) invented the electric
light bulb before Swan (February 1879) then a few adjustments to
benchmark results seem minor. Apparently the M$ mouthpiece says these
sort of 'facts' aren't always black and white etc etc.
It was Orwell's 1984 that had the 'Ministry of Truth', but I wonder if,
now that we have the technology, it's becoming a reality.
--
Robin Becker
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc
Subject: Re: nanosleep() ??
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 07:28:11 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"J. Song" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> struct sched_param p;
> p.sched_priority = sched_get_priority_max(SCHED_FIFO);
> sched_setscheduler(0, SCHED_FIFO, (const struct sched_param *)&p);
> .....
> .....
>
> BEFORE going into my loop that contains:
>
> nanosleep((const struct timespec *)&a, &b);
>
> where
> a.tv_sec = 0;
> a.tv_nsec = sleep_time_in_nsecs;
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
I'm assuming you declared "struct timespec a, b" at some point...
You also want to add "mlockall(MCL_CURRENT | MCL_FUTURE);"
That will lock the program in memory, so disk swapping won't
screw up your real-timing.
Other than that, everything looks okay. I believe you do need to launch
the program as root, or scheduling is ignored.
- Paul Pelzl
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M Sweger)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: grap utility and man page???
Date: 25 Jun 1999 22:06:20 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I'm looking for the "grap" utility and associated man page.
Does anybody know where it may be? What s/w pkg it'd be in.
Presently, man v1.5g refers to a FILTER called this, but doesn't
have grap in it.
Thanks
--
Mike,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:48:08 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Discussion of Linux 2.2 upgrades from 2.0
Edward W. Morris, Jr. wrote:
>
> Hi, i'm writing a paper for my class and I'm looking for a synopsis of
> exactly what was upgraded and added from Linux 2.0 to 2.2. thanks in
> advance for pointing me in the correct direction.
>
www.kernelnotes.org, then follow the link 'wonderful world of 2.2' or so
in section 'current stable version 2.2.10'.
Marc
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:45:53 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Discussion of Linux 2.2 upgrades from 2.0
Danny Aldham wrote:
>
> If anyone could point out compatibility issues between 2.0 and 2.2 it would
> also be appreciated. Will 2.0 binaries run on 2.2 ?
Yes.
Marc
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:43:31 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: Installing Glibc
Mark Fleming wrote:
>
> I am a slackware user and am thinking about installing glibc so I can
> run some of the more popular software that is out now. (Mozilla and the
> G2 aplha for example). How straight forward is it if you yourself have
> done it? Any tips?
>
Never done this particular thing myself, but I recently compiled many
app's that brought some libs with them (e.g. pgp). It was never harder
than
<fetch source>
tar xfz <tarball>
cd <into dir>
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
[make check], if available
su root -c make install
done.
Marc
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 12:32:00 +0200
From: Marc Mutz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: long filenames unsupported on mounted cd's
Uri Kerbel wrote:
>
> Despite have selected CDROM support under xconfig, when I mount cd's,
> long filenames are not supported, i.e. the tilde (~) is used to
> shorten them.
>
Have you enabled the M$ Joliet and Un*x Rockridge extensions to iso9660
when building your kernel?
Marc
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From: "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 11:15:44 +0100
There is a cost basis on this summary which is based on Mindcraft AND PC
weeks/magazines independant benchmark.
http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/exec/compares/ntlinux.asp
This shows NT to be far cheaper based on price/performance.
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 19:33:18 +0100, John Hughes wrote:
> >FREE means nothing if your spending more time configuring. NOT saying
thats
>
> Configuration time becomes less of a factor on larger installations.
> So this is where the abscence of licensing fees becomes an advantage.
> Configuration time is a function of the *number of unique configurations
> required*, not the number of machines to be configured.
>
> >the case with Linux but this FREE mentality just doesnt cut it in
business.
>
> I'd partly agree. There really is no such thing as "free" since setting it
> up ( and buying the hardware ) costs something, as does maintenance. The
> absence of licensing fees lowers the total cost, but certainly doesn't
> reduce it to nothing.
>
> >What really matters is that it delivers needed business services.
>
> It's pretty clear that linux does this. There are several services
> ( such as smbd, popd, imapd, httpd, ftpd, named ) that are
> reliable low cost alternatives to NT and Netware ( which incidently
> isn't much better than NT wrt their licensing schemes )
>
> --
> Donovan
>
>
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