Linux-Misc Digest #795, Volume #23 Thu, 9 Mar 00 08:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: top, and memory management in Linux (Anthony)
Re: Truetype Chinese and Japanese Fonts (Anthony)
Re: Salary? ("Martin Knoblauch")
mysql --rebuild rpm ("Gazza")
apsfilter or command line, where's the difference (Torsten Curdt)
Re: White Screen during install from boot floppy ("Conor Daly")
Re: How to add SCSI controller/DAT drive (Robert Heller)
Re: My 'alias' doesnt' work in X windows ?? (Floyd Davidson)
Re: sound
Filter for Stylus photo EX (Ulrich Brachvogel)
Re: Please advice: unable to create file/directory (Dirk Schenkewitz)
Re: My 'alias' doesnt' work in X windows ?? (Floyd Davidson)
Bizzare X question (2:1)
Re: IP traffic monitor (guerkan senguen)
Author of _Enterprise Linux at Work_ to speak in San Jose, CA (Mark S. Bilk)
manual pppd works, but not kppp... (Yazid Abdul_Rasid)
Re: Salary? (Pas Moi)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony)
Subject: Re: top, and memory management in Linux
Date: 9 Mar 2000 11:10:19 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Can somebody point me toward a good description of how memory
>management works under linux?
>
>When I monitor my machine using top (or free, or procinfo) I can see
>the memory utilization gradually grow and grow, till time comes to
>reboot.
>
>I am running RH6.1, with a 2.2.14 kernel I built myself.
>
>What I am curious about are:
>1) how can I decide whether there is a memory leak in one of my
> applications, and which one it is.
Linux does use a full memory model as mention in the kernel docs
(any free memory are wasted memory). Unused memory will go into
various caches, hence the value of free memory means absolutely
nothing. When a program starts and request memory, the kernel
will reclaim memory from caches that having excess memory.
Even Windows 9x use this model, however memory mostly goes to the
disk cache (vcache) and have problem not releasing it when needed.
There are tools to find out memory leaks in your own program, try
search on "memory leak" on freshmeat.net.
>2) does the line containing
>Mem: 128092K av, 124952K used, 3140K free, 20992K shrd, 43260K buff
> indicate a highwater mark, or the actual amount of memory used at
> that instant on the machine?
>3) how can I assess how much memory is used by the kernel itself, as
> opposed to the applications
All you need to know is how much physical ram + swap. In the case
of programming, you might want to look at ulimit and resource limit.
However, memory management is the job of the kernel, not the
programmer, unless you are programming kernel interface...etc.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Truetype Chinese and Japanese Fonts
Date: 9 Mar 2000 11:13:07 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Feb 2000 19:31:41 +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Is it possible to use the truetype Chinese and Japanese fonts that
>>Windows 98 have (MS Gothic, MS Song) with xfs? I am interested in
>>getting it to work in Netscape.
>
>This should work just fine. Just install them the way you'd install
>any true type font. See my font HOWTO
>
>http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/font_howto/
>
>for more information on how to do this.
>
>BTW, also check out cxterm if you want to be able to write Chinese in
>an xterm ( I believe there's something for writing Japanese too ). I
>have cxterm set up and you can write Chinese in pine ( and probably Japanese ).
>
>Also take a look at the Chinese HOWTO. It's out of date, but still useful.
>
>Cheers,
>--
>Donovan
Aterm and Eterm can be compiled to include Big-5 support, it works
great (unless you use the so-called vga font).
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From: "Martin Knoblauch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 12:11:14 +0100
"Michael C. Watz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bwaaaaaaaaahahahhaa... 1.60USD/gallon? Nothing! Driving around Great
> Britain it cost us around 50USD to fill up that tiny little tank.... I
> think it worked out to over 4USD per gallon....
>
> Just wait until we have $2.50/gallon prices this summer.... break out
> the bikes!
>
I'd love to have your problems. Your number is about 5 DM for 4 liters
(just make is simple). About 1.25 DM per liter. The actual price in Germany
(depending on the octane number) is about 1.80-2.05 DM per liter.
Martin
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From: "Gazza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mysql --rebuild rpm
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 11:22:10 -0000
I have tried to install mysql using the src download rpm and ran the
rpm --rebuild filename.src.rpm. The mysql download page suggests this
method for my version of redhat (5.2)
The rebuild went correctly with no apparent errors. What I dont know is
whether this --rebuild command needs to be followed by a manual copying of
the files to their correct location...or was that achieved during the
rebuild.
I cannot tell if this has happened because there was another copy of mysql
already installed. (Same version but it was for RH6.1)
I get an error message when I use mysql start "unable to connect to local
mysql server through socket /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock"
tia
garry
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Torsten Curdt)
Subject: apsfilter or command line, where's the difference
Date: 9 Mar 2000 10:57:33 GMT
I'm trying to set up a linux system as a
printer spooler for our QMS magiccolor2
desklaser connected via ethernet
Now I have a printcap entry like this:
qms:\
:lp=/var/spool/qms/output:\
:lf=/var/spool/qms/log:\
:sd=/var/spool/qms:\
:mx#0:\
:rw:\
:sh:\
:if=/var/spool/qms/qfilter:
>From command line it works:
root#>su -l lp
lp#> cat test.prn | /var/spool/qms/qfilter
But if I use lpr:
root#>lpr -Pqms test.prn
The programm transfering the data to the printer (qef)
has problems establishing the UDP communication!!
I think that's weired and don't know where to look
anymore! If someone wants to see the filter script or
the programm sourcecode I can post it but since it
works as lp user it shouldn't be a userright problem!?
I even tried to call qef with sudo and it didn't work
either!
I kinda lost!! Any thoughts are welcome!!!!!
--
Torsten
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From: "Conor Daly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,linux.redhat.misc,alt.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: White Screen during install from boot floppy
Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 03:26:15 -0000
Could be you're using the Graphic install and it's not configuring your
video card correctly.
Try typing
text <ENTER>
at the boot screen
--
Conor Daly
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nikko Odiseos wrote in message
<_JIt4.1089$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I just used fips to create an extra partition to install RH 6.1. I boot
>from the floppy (could not boot from cdrom) and everything seems to be ok,
>the first screen comes up says to hit enter for install ...... but then I
>get a white screen with vertical black stripes which then goes totally
white
>and hangs. WHats going on?? Thanks
>
>[email protected]
>GET RID OF '$' to EMAIL ME.
>
>
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From: Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to add SCSI controller/DAT drive
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:39:56 GMT
Abid Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
In a message on Wed, 08 Mar 2000 15:48:37 GMT, wrote :
AK> Red Hat Version 6.0
AK> I need to add a Adaptec SCSI 1542CF controller and a Seagate DAT drive
AK> in Red Hat Linux ver 6.0, I am new to Linux, can someone tell me the
AK> commands, and how to add devices and re-build the kernel.
You don't need to 're-build the kernel', since the driver for the
Adaptec SCSI 1542CF controller is a module. Just shutdown the machine,
install the new hardware, then fire the box up. Use the kernelcfg
command to load a new module: select 'Add', select type
'scsi_hostadapter' and then aha1542. Reboot the system and there you are.
AK>
AK> Thanks in advance
AK>
AK>
AK> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
AK> Before you buy.
AK>
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My 'alias' doesnt' work in X windows ??
Date: 09 Mar 2000 02:11:08 -0900
Thomas Hommel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi there
>X normally starts a plain xterm without executing the "profile" file.
>You can type "bash -login" or start the xterm with "xterm -e /bin/bash
>-login" and your aliases will be there.
>
>Tom
It is far better to set up the bash init files correctly.
Aliases are not inherited by sub-shells, and only a login shell
reads /etc/profile (see the man page for bash). Running
an xterm (or any other terminal emulator) with a shell under
X will not normally read /etc/profile and will not have any
aliases which are defined in that file.
Hence, /etc/profile is not the place to put an alias intended
to be available to sub-shells (such as bash exec'ed by xterm).
Per the man page for bash, *login* shells read /etc/profile and
then the first of ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, or ~/.profile.
Clearly none of those are the right place to put aliases.
*Non-login* shells source ~/.bashrc if they are _interactive_, and
read a file specified by the ENV environment variable if they are
_non-interactive_.
The proper place to put aliases... is the ~/.bashrc file, and
whichever of the ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, or ~/.profile
files is used should source the ~/.bashrc file and set the ENV
variable. If it is desired that non-interactive shells have the
aliases which are defined in ~/.bashrc, then it is reasonable to
just set ENV=~/.bashrc to give both interactive and
non-interactive files the same environment.
The /etc/profile file should have only a default _minimal_ setup
that is common for system wide sh, bash and ksh login shells
(other shells might also source it too). It is *not* a good
place to creatively customize a shell interface.
Of the three files which might be sourced in the user's home
directory, note that ~/.profile is also used by at least sh and
ksh, and hence might not normally be suitable for bash specific
configuration. With a very little creative work though, it can
be used for multiple shells. It's probably just as easy to use
one of the other two for bash and leave .profile for sh and ksh.
However, here is a way to be shell specific in .profile,
########## start of ~/.profile ##############
if [ "${0}" = "-bash" -o `basename "${0}"` = "bash" ]
then
ENV=$HOME/.bashrc;export ENV
. $HOME/.bashrc
fi
if [ "${0}" = "-su" -o `basename "${0}"` = "su" ]
then
ENV=$HOME/.bashrc;export ENV
. $HOME/.bashrc
fi
if [ "${0}" = "-sh" -o `basename "${0}"` = "sh" ]
then
ENV=$HOME/.shrc;export ENV
. $HOME/.shrc
fi
if [ "${0}" = "-ksh" -o `basename "${0}"` = "ksh" ]
then
ENV=$HOME/.kshrc;export ENV
. $HOME/.kshrc
fi
############ end of ~/.profile ############
That is the sum total of my own ~/.profile file. Two other
obvious things should go into that file if they are needed, a
PATH that is different from what is defined in /etc/profile and
any stty commands or similar terminal setup commands which are
needed only the first time the terminal connects to the system.
Note that a PATH can be added to in this file by using the
PATH="\newbin:$PATH" technique, which should not be done in
~/.bashrc (or the ENV file if it is different). With the
latter two files PATH will be added again and again with each
sub-shell.
There are other ways to configure the init files for bash, but
this one is about as simple as it gets while still allowing for
enough flex to let things work right.
Floyd
>Fredde Andreasson schrieb:
>>
>> Hello
>>
>> Is there anyone who knows which file to edit to have aliases in X windows ?
>> The one I've got specified in /etc/profile doesn't work when I go into X.
>>
>> Thanks in advance .. Freddy --> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: sound
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 11:52:17 GMT
On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 14:01:23 -0500, constants <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I installed linux mandrake 7 and got the sound working. Now it won't work
>under windows 98. Has anybody had this problem and if yes what can I do to
>fix it?
Billy sux as you can see. Anyway I have no dual boot, just a plain, vanilla
Linux so i can't help you. I am sorry.
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From: Ulrich Brachvogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Filter for Stylus photo EX
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 23:49:50 +0100
Hi,
is there any filter for printimg on the Stylus photo Ex printer.
TIA Uli
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From: Dirk Schenkewitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Please advice: unable to create file/directory
Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 19:47:17 +0100
H K Chan wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am running RedHat Linux release 6.1, I have encountered a wierd
> problem that is I, as root, unable to create file or directory in a
> partition which has plentiful of disk space. Below is the situation:
>
> [root@it /home1]# touch temp
> touch: temp: No space left on device
> [root@it /home1]# mkdir temp
> mkdir: cannot make directory `temp': No space left on device
> [root@it /home1]# df
> Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
> /dev/sda1 5447436 913304 4257416 18% /
> /dev/sdb1 6048500 513904 5227348 9% /home
> /dev/sda5 3099260 300176 2767600 10% /home1
> [root@it /home1]#
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Gerald
I hardly dare to ask, but what reports 'df -i' ?
And: Are you still able to 'rm' files ?
(perhaps you ran out of inodes, although that is quite unlikely
at 18% used space.)
dirk
--
Dirk Schenkewitz
http://www.InterFace-AG.com mailto:dirk.schenkewitz (a t)
InterFace-AG.com
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From: Floyd Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My 'alias' doesnt' work in X windows ??
Date: 09 Mar 2000 02:36:14 -0900
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Zajic) wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Mar 2000 09:20:57 +0100, Thomas Hommel wrote:
>
>> X normally starts a plain xterm without executing the "profile" file.
>> You can type "bash -login" or start the xterm with "xterm -e /bin/bash
>> -login" and your aliases will be there. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^
>The correct way to tell xterm to start a login shell is 'xterm -ls',
>IIRC. My personal startup commands for an xterm and a root xterm in
>IceWM are as follows:
>
> xterm -sb -sl 500 -j -ls -tn xterm-color -rightbar
> xterm -sb -sl 500 -j -ls -tn xterm-color -rightbar -T "xterm - root" \
> -name xterm_root -fg red -e /bin/su - root
That works, but is unnecessary and might not even be advisable.
Once you have logged in there is no point in re-sourcing
/etc/profile and which ever of the bash init files you use in
your home directory. Typically those files have terminal init
commands which need to be run only one time to initialize,
configure or even select a terminal. Executing those commands
with each xterm shell is unnecessary and might prevent easily
using commands that are slow, have an unwanted effect on xterms,
or require interactive response. While it is true that those
are an unlikely scenario on a typical home pc it still makes
sense to configure the system correctly just in case there is
ever a desire to hang some who-knows-what-kind of terminal onto
a serial port, which would then require the entire shell init
system to need a reconfiguration.
>Yes, "-fg red" on the root xterm looks ugly, but at least it keeps me
>on my toes. ;-)
Lord! I don't think I'd ever get anything done right as root if
I did that, but it sure is an alarm clock!
I typically put the user's name in the prompt, and have different
colors for normal user's prompts (cyan) and a root prompt (white)
(against a black background with text that is goldenrod1).
Floyd
--
Floyd L. Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Bizzare X question
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 12:22:01 +0000
Here's a bizzare question:
When I run X, it runs on the first virtual terminal (#7)
Can I
a) run 2 Xs on different virtual terminals
b) run 1 or more Xs that 'dislay' so a bit of system memory (that has
nothing
to do with grahics hardware), and then share that memory?
Thanks in advance
-Ed
--
Did you know that the highest point in the world is only eight foot?
-The Hackenthorpe Book Of Lies
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:24:09 +0100
From: guerkan senguen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: IP traffic monitor
iptraf is nice too
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark S. Bilk)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Author of _Enterprise Linux at Work_ to speak in San Jose, CA
Date: 9 Mar 2000 12:26:55 GMT
Incidentally, for those to whom ERP means what happens when
you eat too fast, here's an article about it:
Linux Journal: Linux in an ERP World
http://www2.linuxjournal.com/lj-issues/issue62/3178.html
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Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 20:44:38 +0800
From: Yazid Abdul_Rasid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: manual pppd works, but not kppp...
This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Hi ...
I've succesfully connect to my ISP using pppd (with all the scripts,
i.e. pap-secret, options, net-chat, etc..). That was when I haven't got
kppp. But now, I can't make kppp works. It dialed, however it never
succesfully connect to my ISP. When I compared logs with 'manual' pppd
and kppp, there were something wrong early in the expect-send mechanism.
(I attached both logs). For instance, it seems that kppp's log don't get
anything from modem (there was never "--got it" word!).
kppp setting - /dev/ttyS1, lock, RTSCTS, CR/LF....
Of all the setting above, I don't remember to have any CR/LF setting in
pppd's options file. I've tried all combination of CR, LF but still
nothing works. Hence, I assume it wasn't because of this option. I don't
put anything in script section(of kppp) since I think it will use my
net-chat file. I hope I was right :)
What amazed me was that kppp says it has been connected to my ISP. (It
says CONNECT 115200 in the kppp debug window). How come it says it got
connected to ISP while there was no single '--got it' word in
/var/log/ppp? Please .... eliminate my confusion. Obviously I don't
really understand how to set the kppp program .......
thanks in advance.
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;
name="modemlog.debug"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Disposition: inline;
filename="modemlog.debug"
kppp log
========
Mar 9 10:32:04 Fulcrum chat[513]: abort on (BUSY)
Mar 9 10:32:04 Fulcrum chat[513]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Mar 9 10:32:04 Fulcrum chat[513]: send (AT&F^M^M)
Mar 9 10:32:04 Fulcrum chat[513]: expect (OK)
Mar 9 10:32:05 Fulcrum chat[513]: ^M
Mar 9 10:32:05 Fulcrum chat[513]:
Mar 9 10:32:05 Fulcrum last message repeated 23 times
Mar 9 10:32:05 Fulcrum chat[513]: ** Welcome To TM*Net wmu-as22 **^M
Mar 9 10:32:05 Fulcrum chat[513]: ^M
Mar 9 10:32:22 Fulcrum pppd[511]: Terminating on signal 15.
Mar 9 10:32:22 Fulcrum pppd[511]: Connect script failed
Mar 9 10:32:22 Fulcrum pppd[511]: Exit.
Successful manual pppd log
==========================
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: abort on (BUSY)
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: send (AT&F^M^M)
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: expect (OK)
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: ^M
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: OK
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: -- got it
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: send (AT&D2&C1^M^M)
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: expect (OK)
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: ^M
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: AT&F^M^M
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: OK
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: -- got it
Feb 12 12:09:13 Fulcrum chat[1124]: send (ATD1515^M^M)
Feb 12 12:09:14 Fulcrum chat[1124]: expect (ogin:)
Feb 12 12:09:14 Fulcrum chat[1124]: ^M
Feb 12 12:09:41 Fulcrum chat[1124]: ATD1515^M^M
Feb 12 12:09:41 Fulcrum chat[1124]: CONNECT 115200^M
Feb 12 12:09:47 Fulcrum chat[1124]: ^M
....... (continue) ....
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Salary?
From: Pas Moi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2000 13:06:29 GMT
>> "R" == Rupert schrieb am Wed, 08 Mar 2000 12:35:33 -0600:
R> Also take into account that the USA is the world leader in advanced
R> medical treatment and research. The Houston Medical Center is the
R> largest medical center in the world, not to mention the rest of the
R> USA's medical centers.
R> When the rich and powerful of this world get sick and are on their
R> last prayer, they head to the Houston Medical Center.
where do houston's inner city poor go for health care? all that state
o' d'art, hi-capitalisation stuff is ABSOLUTELY USELESS for the
majority of houston's residents. (and indeed, it has to be that way)
it seems americans would rather treat the rich'n'powerful than their
own.
oh, yeah, and why was pinochet in england and not in houston?
he wasn't sick? oh...
R> -- The always friendly, always lovable, and highly presentable,
give your neighbor's some of that love, partner.
love,
g.y.
--
Guy Yasko -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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