Linux-Misc Digest #804, Volume #20 Sun, 27 Jun 99 07:13:08 EDT
Contents:
LILO setup, step by step! Re: LILO setup help? (Cameron L. Spitzer)
re: What is fds_bits? (Jarvis)
Re: Something for Linux? (AGX)
Re: What is fds_bits? (Pete)
Re: first/second/third world (Richard Kulisz)
Re: can't run executable (Scott Lanning)
Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing (david parsons)
Re: NT the best web platform? ("John Hughes")
Re: NT the best web platform? (Craig Kelley)
question about USER (NGUYEN-DAI Quy)
Re: CD player - no sound (steve blakeway)
[Fwd: Missing Library] (lclyman)
process accounting (Ling Euk Jin)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer)
Subject: LILO setup, step by step! Re: LILO setup help?
Date: 27 Jun 1999 08:19:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Breit wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Cameron L. Spitzer) wrote:
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Breit wrote:
>> >Currently I use a boot disk to boot into Linux. But I want to get LILO going
>> >so it will bootup straight into Linux unless I ask otherwise off the HD. Does
>> >anyone know of any really good/detailed or something like that help files or
>> >docs?
>>
>> Look at http://judi.greens.org/lilo/.
>> Tell me what's missing.
>>
>> Cameron
>
>It's pretty good. But I'm kind of looking for step by step instructions. It
>covers it pretty well, I think.
Ok, here goes. I did this on my home system just now.
Step ZERO. Make a kernel. Make a raw bootimage diskette.
Do not let your "distribution's" installation program configure or
install LILO for you. Make a kernel and copy it
(/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage) to a floppy with dd or cp.
Check the floppy for bad sectors.
cd /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot
cp bzImage /dev/fd0
floppycontrol -f
cmp bzImage /dev/fd0
Step 1. Make a linux floppy and copy your kernel there.
I name the kernel by its version so I can remember which is which.
My home system is now running 2.2.10.
superformat /dev/fd0u1440
(that's /dev/fd0H1440 if you use Red Hat.)
badblocks /dev/fd0u1440 1440 | tee /tmp/baddies
mke2fs -l /tmp/baddies -m0 /dev/fd0u1440 1440
e2fsck -f /dev/fd0u1440
mkdir /3
mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0u1440 /3
cd 3
cp -pv /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot/bzImage z2.2.10
cp -pv /boot/boot.b /boot/chain.b .
echo 'yippee!' > message
sync
Step 2. Make a config file on the floppy. Use vi or whatever.
vi /3/liloconf
Put this in it:
boot = /dev/fd0u1440 # write LILO here
map = /3/mapfile
install = /3/boot.b
message = /3/message
delay = 20 # wait 2 secs before doing anything
prompt # LILO boot:
timeout = 123 # wait 12.3 secs at prompt, then boot by default
compact # try to run the floppy faster
vga = normal # 80 x 25 console, dont try anything fancy
root = /dev/hdb2 # that's where mine is, you put where yours is
read-only # mount root r-o initially. /etc/rc.d likes it.
image = /3/z2.2.10
label = 2.2.10fd
Do not unmount /3 yet. Now do this:
/sbin/lilo -C /3/liloconf
If there are errors, fix them and run it again.
Step 3. Verify this floppy.
Boot your system with the Lilo floppy in the drive.
You should get a prompt. If you hit Tab, you should get a
menu with one entry, "2.2.10fd"
Wait 12.3 seconds and it will boot. Hit Enter if you are impatient.
Make sure this kernel you just made works.
Step 4. Kernel on hard disk.
Choose a partition that your BIOS can see all of. I have a standard
BIOS so it can only see the first 1023 cylinders of drive 1.
Use fdisk -l to see.
# fdisk -l
Disk /dev/hda: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 6781 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hda1 1 100 50368+ 83 Linux native
/dev/hda2 101 200 50400 83 Linux native
/dev/hda3 201 800 302400 83 Linux native
/dev/hda4 801 6780 3013920 5 Extended
/dev/hda5 801 1050 125968+ 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda6 1051 6500 2746768+ 83 Linux native
/dev/hda7 6501 6779 140584+ 83 Linux native
Disk /dev/hdb: 16 heads, 63 sectors, 19650 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 1008 * 512 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/hdb1 1 6908 3481600+ 83 Linux native
/dev/hdb2 * 6909 7924 512064 83 Linux native
/dev/hdb3 7925 8168 122976 82 Linux swap
/dev/hdb4 8169 19646 5784912 5 Extended
/dev/hdb5 8169 18327 5120104+ 83 Linux native
/dev/hdb6 18328 19646 664744+ 83 Linux native
As you can see, I have three eligible partitions. I wasn't
using /dev/hda1 for anything, just a small spare partition.
On your system it might be C: for MS-Windows 98. That's ok.
You can still use it.
Okay, let's make a Lilo directory and copy the kernel there.
mkdir /a1
df
(If it's C: it's probably already mounted as /dos or something.
And it's vfat, not ext2. If it's already mounted, don't try to
mount it again!)
mount -t ext2 /dev/hda1 /a1
mkdir /a1/liloboot
cp -pv /usr/src/linux/a*/i*/b*/bzImage /a1/liloboot/z2.2.10
Step 5. LILO boots the kernel from hard disk
Add the following lines at the end of the floppy lilo config file.
Then run lilo again to update the map and menu
image = /a1/liloboot/z2.2.10
label = 2.2.10hd
alias = hd
mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0u1440 /3
cd /3
vi liloconf
/sbin/lilo -C /3/liloconf
Now lilo should say it is installing two targets in the map.
Boot this disk. When you get the LILO boot: prompt, type hd
and hit Enter. It should boot a lot faster than the last time.
You now have a floppy with LILO on the first sector, and a
map of a kernel on hard disk. Your Microsoft setup has not
been touched, unless your liloboot directory is on C:.
Most people can stop here. If you hate floppies, proceed.
Step 6. Find out whether LILO can boot your other OSes.
If you have Microsoft DOS, Win-3.1, or Win-95/98 on the first partition
of the first hard drive, add the following stanza to the end of your
liloconf file:
other = /dev/hda1
loader = /3/chain.b
label = crap
table = /dev/hda
Run /sbin/lilo -c /3/liloconf again. Boot this floppy. Type 'crap'
at the LILO prompt. It should boot your Microsoft. If it doesn't,
stop here. This should work for any OS. It will even work for
Linux if the partition has LILO (or another loader) on it.
(That's how you make a Linux partition bootable from the NT loader!)
Step 7. Port your LILO setup to the hard drive.
Copy boot.b, chain.b, and message to your liloboot directory
on the BIOS-friendly hard drive partition.
Copy liloconf there and edit it. Change all the references to
the /3 directory to /a1/liloboot (or whatever you called it).
Change the first line to
boot = /dev/hda
This line instructs /sbin/lilo to write LILO (also known as boot.b) onto
the first sector of your hard drive. So /a1/liloboot/liloconf now
looks like
boot = /dev/hda
map = /a1/liloboot/mapfile
install = /a1/liloboot/boot.b
message = /a1/liloboot/message
delay = 20 # wait 2 secs before doing anything
prompt # LILO boot:
timeout = 123 # wait 12.3 secs at prompt, then boot by default
compact # try to run the floppy faster
vga = normal # 80 x 25 console, dont try anything fancy
root = /dev/hdb2 # that's where mine is, you put where yours is
read-only # mount root r-o initially. /etc/rc.d likes it.
image = /a1/liloboot/z2.2.10
label = 2.2.10hd
other = /dev/hda1
loader = /a1/liloboot/chain.b
label = crap
table = /dev/hda
Now hold your breath and run
/sbin/lilo -C /a1/liloboot/liloconf
If there are no errors, reboot your machine. The hard drive should
give you a LILO boot: prompt where you can hit Enter or wait 12.3
seconds to get Linux, or choose crap like most PC owners do.
When you get tired of "yippee!", edit the message file and run
/sbin/lilo again. Re-run lilo any time you change or move
any of the files involved in booting.
Step 8. Have a beer.
You may be wondering why we bothered with the floppy.
Well, your first Linux installation can be frustrating and challenging,
and the last thing you want is to add to the stress by risking the
Microsoft setup that's probably already present.
This procedure puts off touching Microsoft until the very end,
when you should be more confident. And the configuration with
LILO and map on the floppy and kernel on HD is a nice compromise
between risk and boot speed. It demonstrates LILO's configuration
flexibility, and as far as I know none of the Distribution
installers offers it.
Appendix:
I lied about doing this before. Here's the /3/liloconf file I
actually made this afternoon. There are three kernels. Each can be
booted from FD or HD.
boot = /dev/fd0u1440
map = /3/lilo-map
install = /3/boot.b
message = /3/message
delay = 30 # wait 3 secs before booting (?)
prompt # LILO boot:
timeout = 600 # wait 1 minute, then boot
compact
vga = normal
root = /dev/hdb2
read-only
backup = /3/boot.orig
image = /a1/boot/bz2.2.10
label = 2.2.10hd
alias = 2.2.10
image = /3/bz2.2.10
label = 2.2.10fd
image = /a1/boot/bz2.0.37
label = 2.0.37hd
alias = 2.0.37
image = /3/bz2.0.37
label = 2.0.37fd
image = /a1/boot/z2.2.9
label = 2.2.9hd
alias = 2.2.9
image = /3/z2.2.9
label = 2.2.9fd
My 2.2.9 was "monolithic," had PPP and ISO9660 and stuff compiled in.
My new 2.2.10 and 2.0.37 kernels are highly modular, with only
the things I need for booting. I wanted a fallback if the
modules didn't work. Debian 2.1's modutils worked perfectly
so I don't need 2.2.9 any more.
Hooray for Debian, cleanest Linux distribution I have seen!
Cameron
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From: Jarvis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: re: What is fds_bits?
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 17:10:14 +0800
Hi, i was trying to compile BitchX on redhat6.0 and i got this error
about
structure has no member "fds_bits"
Does anyone know what is missing from my system?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (AGX)
Subject: Re: Something for Linux?
Date: 27 Jun 1999 08:56:21 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I guess that the KDE and Gnome guys are working on a (hopefully) common
Gnome use CORBA
and i know that you can use a strange beast called 'GUILE'
to do scripting with Gnome/Corba
but i don't know more about this.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: What is fds_bits?
Date: 27 Jun 1999 09:45:21 GMT
hard to say without seeing more output.
perhaps a missing include file? or an honest to god bug (hard to fathom
though).
need more details...
pete
Jarvis ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Hi, i was trying to compile BitchX on redhat6.0 and i got this error
: about
: structure has no member "fds_bits"
: Does anyone know what is missing from my system?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Kulisz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: first/second/third world
Date: 27 Jun 1999 08:45:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 22 Jun 1999 06:47:58 GMT,
>(searches around for an emperor, fails to find one.) welp, the US isn't
Just proves you're myopic. Fortune magazine takes it upon itself to
publish lists of emperors.
>>Do you? Freedom to the likes of you is freedom to destroy, enslave
>>and murder. To me it's what's enumerated in the Universal Declaration.
>when did John say that he considered freedom, as the freedom to destroy
>enslave and murder? you wouldn't be putting words in his mouth would you?
I would be observing his actions, or those like him, and making my
own conclusions as to their beliefs. To a right-winger, freedom means
freedom to destroy, enslave and murder. The kind of system right-
wingers advocate maximizes all three.
>>You know, I just don't give a damn about "freedom". I care about
>>Human Rights. What a radical idea!
>
>how do you tell the difference?
All freedoms can be put in terms of human rights, most human rights
cannot be put in terms of freedoms. Also, the set of freedoms referred
to by right-wingers is vastly smaller than the rights enumerated in
the Universal Declaration (30) and always excludes the economic rights.
Finally, human rights are accorded to *humans* while the "freedoms"
in the US Constitution are now granted mostly to corporations.
>>I consider running away a far more effective form of protection
>>than fumbling for a gun in order to murder the other person (oh
>>right, I'm supposed to call him a "perpetrator" because he's not
>
>you may consider it so, the facts fail to back up your opinion however,
>In fact, they show the opposite.
Cite.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott Lanning)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: can't run executable
Date: 27 Jun 1999 09:02:10 GMT
Bill Unruh ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
:Jacob Ratkiewicz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
: >That will probably work. If it does, you may want to add the
: >./ directory to your path to avoid having to type it every
: This is also dangerous. A hacker puts a rogue program named
: ls into /tmp. You just type ls while you are in /tmp, and
: instead of running the system ls, it runs the rogue program.
: Better just to get used to typing ./ This is especially true
: of root.
: a) Do not put . into the path of root.
: b) If you really want . in your path, put it in as the very
: last item in the path, certainly not the first.
I've heard this argument before. I accepted it then because I
didn't know any better. Now I think I can almost refute it; I
could definitely refute it if the man page was more explicit
(see below). Please explain the flaw in my logic if I am
incorrect.
(In the following, I put words from my bash man page,
section "COMMAND EXECUTION", between dashes.)
==========================================================
After a command has been split into words, if it results
in a simple command and an optional list of arguments, the
following actions are taken.
If the command name contains no slashes, the shell
attempts to locate it. If there exists a shell function
by that name, that function is invoked as described above
in FUNCTIONS. If the name does not match a function, the
shell searches for it in the list of shell builtins. If a
match is found, that builtin is invoked.
==========================================================
(In other words, if you don't use ./foo, but just foo, it
searches for
1) a shell function named foo
2) a shell builtin named foo
Looking at the SHELL BUILTINS section of the man page, I
didn't find 'ls' in shell builtins, but I know it's at least
aliased to ls-F on my system; of course, that's irrelevant.)
==========================================================
If the name is neither a shell function nor a builtin, and
contains no slashes, bash searches each element of the
PATH for a directory containing an executable file by that
name. If the search is unsuccessful, the shell prints an
error message and returns a nonzero exit status.
==========================================================
I'm *fairly* certain (waves hands) that it searches the
PATH *in order*, and thus that, if you put the `.' last
in the PATH, it will be searched last. That must remain
only an assertion for now... (but it jibes with your (b))
Okay, suppose the shell searches other names in the path
before `.'. In that case, the hypothetical hacker can put
a malevolent 'ls' somewhere in the path, say /etc/sbin,
then what can we do, create an alias, or shell function,
for every executable to the path of that executable?
Furthermore, what if the hacker got root and replaced
/bin/ls (or /sbin/ls) with his malevolent ls? (the hacker's
silly, okay?) Or what if the hacker snuck into your directory
and replaced your program foo with his malevolent foo? Besides,
I can write an executable file to /tmp (I just tried it--called
it 'ls', too. :P Hope the sysadmin doesn't get mad... ).
--
Scott Lanning: [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://physics.bu.edu/~slanning
"Windows was designed to keep the idiots away from Unix so we could
hack in peace. Let's not break that." --Tom Christiansen
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From: o r c @ p e l l . p o r t l a n d . o r . u s (david parsons)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.unix.bsd.misc
Subject: Re: Linux balkanization a potential blessing
Date: 27 Jun 1999 02:39:20 -0700
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Helge Oldach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In <rQ6d3.3411$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach) writes:
>| The only one I use is a wrapper script called 'vman'. It's roughly equivalent
>| to
>| nroff -man foo | col -b > /tmp/t
>| view /tmp/t
>| rm /tmp/t
>| and it's a *LOT* more convenient than the "regular" browser.
>
>What's wrong with feeding man(1) with the appropriate PAGER environment
>variable? E.g. PAGER=less?
root@downbelow# PAGER="col -b | view" man ls
ex/vi: Vi's standard input and output must be a terminal
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david parsons \bi/ Ooops!
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From: "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:17:18 +0100
Your evidence suggests you cannot configure NT properly.
Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > There are now 4 benchmarks for your perusal and you still cant see it.
> > *sigh*
>
> **marketing** benchmarks. as in, "lies, damned lies, and statistics".
> published by ZD, who is well known to be in MS's back pocket. give me a
> few sets of numbers, and if i'm allowed to be vague in releasing details
of
> the test, i can make 'em say just about anything.
>
> > It seems that your the one supplying the FUD. Unless you have some
concrete
> > evidence otherwise.
>
> i have all the evidence i care about: my own personal experience, which
> shows that NT falls over on hardware will silly amounts of horsepower,
> while linux simply keeps churning along, giving better performance on less
> hardware.
>
> --
> Frank Sweetser rasmusin at wpi.edu fsweetser at blee.net | PGP key
available
> paramount.ind.wpi.edu RedHat 5.2 kernel 2.2.5 i586 | at public
servers
> It's easy to solve the halting problem with a shotgun. :-)
> -- Larry Wall in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.servers.unix,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: NT the best web platform?
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 26 Jun 1999 08:59:48 -0600
"John Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> There is a cost basis on this summary which is based on Mindcraft AND PC
> weeks/magazines independant benchmark.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/ntserver/nts/exec/compares/ntlinux.asp
>
> This shows NT to be far cheaper based on price/performance.
Again, John is wallowing in FUD:
1) It is comparing ISAPI with Apache/CGI (and not taking into
account that most people only have to saturate a T1 before they're
happy). It isn't too difficult for math pea-brains to take
ridiculous results (680% faster) and multiply hardware costs to
make Linux more expensive.
But if you believe them, then that says more about you...
2) It sites the original Mindcraft tests and then assumes that NT is
(and I quote) "227 percent faster". Again, a lie of the most
general variety; some contrived situation does not extrapolate
to the general case.
3) It sites "Lack of testing" as a reason not to use Linux -- We have
been using it as our enterpise backbone for almost 4 years now
without any problems. Cisco has been using it for their global
print systems without any problems. Burlington Coat Factory is
using Linux in their enterprise efforts without problems... etc.
Where is NT on the world's top 500 fastest computers? Oh, it must
be junk because it isn't there (using Microsoft's TCP logic).
This is pure grade-A FUD from Microsoft.
AND FINALLY: If quad-NIC performance is ever so important, why
doesn't Microsoft use them in their enterprise servers at
microsoft.com?
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: NGUYEN-DAI Quy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: question about USER
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 12:01:28 +0200
Hi,
Supposing that I have a Linux server with some users.
Users can connect to Linux server from another machine
with Unix/Linux/Win..
1) How to force USER to connect to server ONLY with SSH protocol ?
Not TELNET, nor RLOGIN, FTP.?
2) How to force USER to connect to server ONLY from a machine
with address IP aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd ONLY ?
Thanks in advance for your respond.
QUY.
PS: If possible I would like a CC of your message please !
--
Nguy�n-Dai Qu� - LTAS-ULG - http://w3.to/vietlug
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (steve blakeway)
Subject: Re: CD player - no sound
Date: Sun, 27 Jun 1999 11:36:34 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:39:12 -0400, Mahlon Stoutz
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Howdy folks,
>
>I signed on to this newsgroup to see if anyone else has eperienced this
>looniness.
>
>All of a sudden, no music comes out of my speakers when I try to play
>music CDs under Mandrake 6.0 (dual PII333 with latest revision of 2.2.9
>and a Yamaha OPL3 running under 4-front's OSS).
>
>And, please, yes every obvious thing works: reads, rips and plays
>perfectly under Win NT; no problems reading data from drive under
>Linux, Linux sound, MP3s, etc. otherwise work fine, CD properly reads
>CDDB info and displays track info, initializes play, turns the CD, runs
>through the play list, but no sound from the speakers!
>
>I could only assume that this resulted from something I missed when I
>rebuilt the Kernel, but it would be the first time in fifty or so
>successful builds that this has happened.
>
>I have no idea otherwise.
I'm having the same problem, tho I didn't rebuild the kernel. I can
play audio cds in KDE, but it seems to be a hit or miss thing. Right
now, I cannot, yesterday, I could. I guess there's something amiss in
the KDE multimedia. I just reran sndconfig, and was reassured that
Linus really does pronounce it "leenooks", so there's no prob with
that end of the business. We'll just have to wait for Mandrake to
give us a fix, I guess.
steve
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From: lclyman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Fwd: Missing Library]
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 1999 13:19:09 +0100
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When trying to configure and install WebMaker I get the following error
message during configuration::
"no acceptable C++ compiler found in $PATH "..
Can anyone tell me what I need to do here?
Is that a compiler that I need to install off the LM 6.0 CD?
Any help is greatly appreciated
lclyman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ling Euk Jin)
Subject: process accounting
Date: 27 Jun 1999 10:49:27 GMT
I'm using Debian Slink.
Somehow, I cant get the 'sa -m' command to display users' names.
It displays users' names for root and some other systems and then it
displays some process ids that i simply cannot identify.
has anyone gotten 'sa -m' to work with debian b4? (feel really silly
asking this).
thanks
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