Linux-Misc Digest #111, Volume #21 Wed, 21 Jul 99 16:13:11 EDT
Contents:
Re: root password (H.Bruijn)
Re: CIA assassinations ("A.T.Z.")
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Store a date in a variable. (Chris Gushue)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Ashley Penney)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Nonnaho)
Re: uncompressing a "tar.gz." ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: tape backup device under Linux ("Fred A. Miller")
Re: Iomega ZIP parallel zip drive under red hat linux 6.0 problem solved (Phillip
George Geiger)
Suspend and Sound ("Todd Lasman")
Re: partition magic (RaMzEyMe)
Re: CIA assassinations (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general
Subject: Re: root password
Date: 21 Jul 1999 18:53:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 10:01:23 -0700, Someone allegedly wrote:
>
>>Unless you have installed the modules for encrypted file-systems...
>>
>>--
>Does this module come with RH 6.0? I remember installing some kind of security
>stuff (DES & so forth). I was curious myself as to how much security you have
>in linux passwords. I realize DES has been rendered obsolete in cryptographic
>circles, and obvously one can use PGP & so forth for really sensitive files (if
>any ;*). But is the root password DES encrypted by defult if the module is
>installed, or does one have to activate the encryption?
>Just how does one go about extending the encryption to the file system as well?
>Thank you kindly.....(Please reply via email if possible to skg at asis dot
>com....)
encrypted filesystems aren't found in standard linux distributions, nor
is pgp, ssh and other strong encryption, due to the US export
restrictions on cryptography.
Search with you prefered search engine to find where to download, I hav
e never used it though...
RedHat (and all distributions I know of) use pwconv to convert the
password file and install shadow passwords by default.
Only with root access, (or programs running SUID root, f.i. passwd)
can you access the shadow file.
The shadow file contains the encrypted passwd (/etc/passwd has x in
the passwd-field) file, so when people can access /etc/shadow they get
the encrypted passwords, and run "crack" against it to decipher the
passwords. But they have to root in the first place, so that's a useless
excercise. (A completely different issue would be fi NIS and YP where
the encrypted passwords are send out in the open.)
I do not know the exact algorithm, which is used to encrypt the
passwords, only that it's highly nonlinear, and therefor only bruteforce
attacks are likely to work, but most people choose bad passwords, so
with a large passwd-file, trying dictionary words is likely to work for
some accounts.
--
Herman
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If a trainstation is place where trains stop, what is workstation?
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Herman Bruijn hbruijn dix.Mines.EDU
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From: "A.T.Z." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:06:38 +0200
NO WAY.
I work >90hours a week. Don't want to pay for someone who only wants to get money
from social security. I saw a few "losers" on TV a few days ago. They did nothing
to get a job, just complaining that companies wouldn't hire them.
I think it helps to think as a winner. As soon as you think as a loser you'll
never become a winner. I think "losers" has to work to become more than that
.
I have respect for people who do everything possible to make a decent living, even
if they don't succeed. There is nothing to gain with redistribution.
Donovan Rebbechi schreef:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:55:34 +0200, A.T.Z. wrote:
>
> >The government already takes money from the rich and give it to the poor, but
> >thats not the solution.
>
> I think redistribution is good preventative medicine. It solves a lot of
> problems. However, you can take a horse to water, but ...
Yeah, learn the horse how to get water.
> meaning that whether you create opportunities or not, there will always
> be winners and losers in any kind of competitive environment.
>
> Redistribution helps prevent "winner takes all" scenarios, and accounts for
> the fact that "losers" in the capitalism game in the USA
> are better off than some of the "winners" elsewhere.
You cannot say this. The situation in countries are different (cost and income
etc.). So you really can't compare.
> --
> Donovan
Bye,
B.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:31:25 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 20 Jul 1999 23:41:50 GMT...
..and Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> > It was the 19 Jul 1999 20:52:01 GMT...
> > ..and Stefaan A Eeckels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Nah. We're part of this world. We're from this world, just
> >> as much as virusses, bacteria, cats, and peanuts. Our
> >> intelligence is part of nature. Obviously, we do things
> >> differently from cats, but that doesn't make us any less
> >> "natural". The cities we build are no less part of nature
> >> than the cities built by termites, or bees.
> >>
> >> The sooner we get rid of the human/nature divide we've carried
> >> with us since the Bible, the better.
> >
> > So you think we should start to prey upon and devour each other, that
> > we should stop thinking intelligently, that we should let instincts
> > rule our lives completely?
> Where on earth did you get that idea? The only thing that I
> argued was that we should stop consider ourselves "outside"
> nature.
We're inside nature, just like animals or plants, but nevertheless,
we're neither animals nor plants.
> We're just as natural as termites, and a human city
> is, because it's made by humans, a natural phenomenon.
No. There is a fundamental difference between a human city and a
termite hill. The only influence that may cause new and different
types of termite hills to be built is evolution. Animals aren't
creative.
> Nature didn't end with what we term our "intelligence".
Note that I did not claim this.
> > You're making a ridiculous proposition.
> The Bible made us believe that we're somehow a finality,
> placed on earth to rule it.
That's wrong, obviously. But anyway, why do you keep lecturing me
about the Bible? Religion is irrelevant to this issue.
> That we're made in the image
> of our creator, a favour not extended to the rest of
> creation. We've nominally abandoned that idea, but replaced
> it with the equally erroneous concept that we're not part
> of nature. The things we make are not natural, but artificial.
We are not animals. We are not part of nature in the way termites are
a part of nature. But of course we do not live in complete isolation
of nature. Why do you keep on evading the issue? You tried to prove to
me that there was no difference between men and animals, didn't you?
> You yourself immediately throught that accepting that we're
> natural somehow implied we'd have to let ourselves be ruled
> by instincts (which our species doesn't have a lot of).
No. You misparsed me. BTW, our species not having a lot of instincts
and collective knowledge (f.ex. all our means of higher communication
are artificially acquired) is another indicator that we are not
animals.
> Face it. We're a product of life on this planet, not something
> freaky that's unrelated to life around us. Face it, the
> bacteria in your gut think your pretty much part of nature :-)
Don't play silly.
mawa
--
Walk to an unused portion of diskspace and create. And if you don't
like where you are, uncreate. -- Robert Kelly
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From: Chris Gushue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Store a date in a variable.
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:10:28 -02-30
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: Chris Gushue wrote:
:>
:> Bertrand LEFEBVRE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : I'd like to store a formatted date like date +'%d%m%y' in a variable
:> : called NOW to be able to keep trace of some files ex: passwd to keep it
:> : like passwd.290799. Thanks .
:>
:> In a sh or bash script you can set it like this:
:>
:> NOW=`date +%y%m%d`
: Ummm. This won't sort correctly after January 1st. Try NOW=`/bin/date
: +%Y%m%d`
You're absolutely right, I noticed this when I was udating my ziplogs
script. I have since changed it to use %Y instead. Actually, I first had
it using %m%d%y, which is even worse for sorting :)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ashley Penney)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: 21 Jul 1999 19:36:39 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 19 Jul 1999 23:14:29 -0700, Jim Richardson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) gabbered:
:On 19 Jul 1999 18:53:37 GMT,
: Ashley Penney, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
: brought forth the following words...:
:
:>On 19 Jul 1999 18:25:27 +0100, Phillip Lord ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) gabbered:
:>: Diabetes was fatal not that long ago, but it doesnt need to
:>:be these days.
:>
:>Assuming Diabetes is passed down thru the genes, then it means that it
:>will slowly spread until we all suffer from the same genetic weakness.
:
:sickle cell anemia is genetic in nature, funny enough though, it turns out,
:that if you have it, you are far less suceptible to malaria. And malaria
:has the bigger fatality rate.
: I heard that cystic-fibrosis (another genetic disorder ) conveys some
:immunity to cholera, but I don't remember where I got that tidbit from.
It's sometimes intresting how certain diseases can protect you from even
worse diseases. Humans are never going to be as clever and imaginative
as mother nature. :)
:>I'd like to think that's so, but sadly education seems to be going
:>downhill, often directly linked to the growing class size. It's a
:>vicious circle that's hard to break. :/
:>
:
:Actually, plot the population curves vs education level, the more educated
:the country becomes, the slower the population rate increase is. This is
:close to 100% correlation. Same with wealth. The wealthier the group, the
:less kids they have. There are numerous reasons for this, but it's easily
:plotted with the relevent data.
Well, that's pretty much what I meant. The more kids we have in each class,
the harder it is for the teacher to spend the time required with each child.
This then leads to lower general education, which leads to more kids, etc etc
until we get into a right old mess.
:>: Ive never been one to sling mud. If I sit here and call you
:>:all sorts of rude words, you aint even going to read what I say. I
:>:dont learn what you think, you dont learn what I think, and we are
:>:none the wiser.
:>
:>Amen to that! I just wish more people thought that way, I don't mind
:>swearing etc, it's when the discussion ends up going in a loop, with
:>both sides refusing to concede any points. The worst is when someone
:>drags up a post you made at the start of the discussion and shouts
:>about how your opinion has changed, that doesn't lead to useful
:>discussions.
:>
:
:It's as if being able to change your mind, when faced with new info, were
:somehow bad...
Weird isn't it? If you start a discussion/argument with someone, it's
generally because you are trying to change their mind. When some people
succeed in this, they get angry with the person for agreeing with them.
It's one of the few things that *really* confuses me about USENET, I'm
happy to admit that I'm lacking clues in many many many areas, so it's
always good to discuss things with someone who does have an interest in
that area. I have to admit to playing devils advocate sometimes, just
to get into a discussion where we can trade ideas and grow. :)
--
Ashley Penney - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The dinosaurs died because they didn't have a space program. -- Arthur C Clarke
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From: Nonnaho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:31:14 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dick Klutz wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jay Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 20 Jul 1999 05:28:57 GMT, Richard Kulisz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Suppressing destructive tendencies
> >>entirely is feasible (as is more than amply proved by some cultures
> >>like the Japanese) and the *only* way to go.
> >
> >The Japanese don't suppress destructive tendencies. They turn them inward,
> >as evidenced by their astronomical rates of alcoholism and suicide.
>
> And the fact that Japanese society is fucked up has nothing to do with
> either? Total suppression of anger is the only redeeming feature of
> japanese society I know of. But I guess you'd prefer if people lash
> out at their neighbours?
Practice what you preach! You have been lashing out at ANYONE that disagrees
with you in any way! You will even go as far as saying that people should be
killed because of their beliefs.
--
Nonnaho
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: uncompressing a "tar.gz."
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 19:04:37 GMT
In article <7n54jp$4h7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> How do you uncompress or unzip a file that is downloaded with an
> extension of "tar.gz."? Thanks for the help
>
> Judy
>
tar -zxvf filename.tar.gz
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
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From: "Fred A. Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.admin
Subject: Re: tape backup device under Linux
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 15:24:03 -0500
Tomasz Korycki wrote:
>
> Matthew Hixson wrote:
> >
> > Can anyone recommend a tape backup device for use under Linux? This is
> > to go into a machine with an ASUS P2B-DS motherboard (supports SCSI).
> > The machine is currently running kernel 2.2.6, but I can upgrade it if
> > necessary.
> > Any adivce is welcomed.
> > -M@
>
> I've used all kinds of SCSI tapes, from Archive Viper (QIC6150) through
> all kinds of DAT (mostly Archive and HP), to (now) IBM-branded Exabyte
> Mammoth. Obviously, I know think Exabyte is the best of them, especially
> on 170m AME media: quite often when I cut the tape, it spends about 20%
> time waiting _for _ the drive, not the other way'round. It's a fast-wide
> SCSI, too, so You won't slow Your bus down, either. And, on average, I
> manage to squeeze 35-38GB per cartridge.
For about the same money as an Exabyte, you can buy a Quantum DLT-7000,
which will hold compressed 70GB. The DLT tapes are cheaper and MUCH
more reliable, IMHO.
Fred
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From: Phillip George Geiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Iomega ZIP parallel zip drive under red hat linux 6.0 problem solved
Date: 21 Jul 1999 19:49:26 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Steve Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Phillip George Geiger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: What dist/version are you running?
It is, I believe, the newer of the 100 MB parallel port zip drives. I'm
not at home now but the cable has "autodetect" or something like that written
on it. The OS is Red Hat 6.0 with the pre-compiled SMP kernel.
: I couldn't get mine to work, and I only
: have one SCSI device (the main boot drive). How many devices do you have
: total? sdc would be the third device; which adapter is it associated with?
I have an onboard adapter (Adaptec 7800 chipset, ultra wide) and a PCI card
(AHA-2940, narrow). There is nothing on the onboard adapter; the card has
a hard drive (/dev/sda1 is my root filesystem, /dev/sda5 is swap); a MO
drive (/dev/sdb1) and CD-ROM (/dev/cdrom).
For a while I had a third SCSI adapter that came with a scanner installed.
It's not well supported under SANE though so I've moved the scanner to a
NT 4.0 machine.
I can't remember if someone told me, or if I just assumed, that if /dev/sda4
wasn't a valid partition on my hard drive the ZIP drive would take it.
(I would have bought a SCSI ZIP drive but I received it as a gift.)
I suppose the FAQ author assumed that if one had a SCSI adapter one would
have done the smart thing and bought a SCSI ZIP drive, therefore if you had
the parallel port version you must not have a SCSI adapter. Hence the
implication that a parallel port ZIP drive is *always* /dev/sda4.
: The Iomega parallel port device looks like a separate SCSI adapter; on mine I
: couldn't even get the ppa.o module to load because it wanted to use sda4 and
: my main hard disk is already sda. How/where do I tell the zip module to use a
: different SCSI disk device? Do I need to change the driver source code?
: Thanks in advance, Steve
I couldn't load ppa.o until I explicitly loaded parport.o first. I never
had a printer attached to the port, so for a while it didn't occur to me to
load the driver for the parallel port.
--
Phil Geiger
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Todd Lasman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Suspend and Sound
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:11:51 -0700
Anyone know how to fix this?
Redhat 6.0 on my Toshiba 730XCDT laptop works fine. However, when I suspend
then resume, the sound doesn't work. The midi and wav players seem to
function perfectly, but there's no sound from the speakers. Rebooting makes
everything work well again.
Any ideas?
Todd
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RaMzEyMe)
Subject: Re: partition magic
Date: 21 Jul 1999 19:46:02 GMT
>I don't think a downloadable version exists
Do you know of any partition magic freeware/shareware clones that I could
download?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: 21 Jul 1999 15:56:55 -0400
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:06:38 +0200, A.T.Z. wrote:
>I work >90hours a week. Don't want to pay for someone who only wants to get
>money from social security.
I think you are failing to distinguish between "unemployed" and "willfully
unemployed"
>if they don't succeed. There is nothing to gain with redistribution.
Without some form of redistribution, you won't have a public
education or health system, and the poor people will have no
opportunities to advance.
>> I think redistribution is good preventative medicine. It solves a lot of
>> problems. However, you can take a horse to water, but ...
>
>Yeah, learn the horse how to get water.
Which costs money which these horses don't have. Which involves some kind
of redistribution. I am not advocating "Robin Hood" politics, but rather
policies that create opportunities for everyone. Even this requires a tax
system and the tax system ultimately redistributes wealth regardless of
how you try to slice it.
--
Donovan
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