Linux-Misc Digest #113, Volume #21 Wed, 21 Jul 99 18:13:12 EDT
Contents:
Re: root password (Allen Ahoffman)
anyone using midi via joystick port on Ensoniq Audiopci (1370)? (Daryl Yager)
Re: FTP Using KDE (Milt Martin)
setting a memory ceiling ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap (Peter Seebach)
suse compilation problems (suse 6.1) ("A Nourai")
Re: f00f_bug , core bomb and Esound error (JM)
Re: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Matthias Warkus)
Re: CIA assassinations (Anthony Ord)
GNU Trueprint released (lezz)
Re: File systems (Stephen van Egmond)
open with default app - how to set? (Arun Thomas)
Compile MegaHAL on RedHat 6.0 (Michael Ransburg)
Re: Marx vs. Nozick (Peter Seebach)
Linux mail server w/ embedded Excel docs support (Jeremy Booth)
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From: Allen Ahoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,redhat.general
Subject: Re: root password
Date: 21 Jul 1999 20:33:21 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Paul Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
the cryptographic files system mgiht keep nosy people out for a while.
> "Brad Ball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >WHAT!? Is this true? I must be missing something because this would be a
> >HUGE security hole. There should be no way of getting root access without
> >entering the root password. Can someone confirm/deny/explain the above?
> >
> If a potential intruder has physical access to the machine, there is no
> security PERIOD. He can pop a bootdisk in and bring it up under his copy of
> Linux, he can install a new hard drive, he can even set the computer on fire.
> TTYL!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Daryl Yager)
Subject: anyone using midi via joystick port on Ensoniq Audiopci (1370)?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:11:01 GMT
email me.
Daryl
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From: Milt Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.x
Subject: Re: FTP Using KDE
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:31:09 GMT
Thanks for the suggestion. I have used WSFTP on Win 95 and it looks
similar.
As a Linux newbie, I am having a great time re-discovering the joy of
computing, but am finding more bugs in the GUI environments (KDE and
Gnome) than is commonly reported.
It does not seem unreasonable to expect the file manager of all things to
work properly.
Rod Roark wrote:
>
> Milt Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Using KFM I can gain access to FTP directories,
> >but it does not always show all files and or directories.
> >I can also use gftp and access same ftp directories which shows all
files
> > including .exe, .zip and subdirectory folders on Win NT host.
> >Why? Fix?
>
> Try wxftp... http://www.wxftp.seul.org/
>
> -- Rod
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: setting a memory ceiling
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:31:13 GMT
I have a program which occasionally uses up all
the system memory and swap space on my Linux
box. I want to prevent this by setting a limit
on memory usage. Included below is some C++
code/[pseudocode] that seems to do the trick.
In short, it sets RLIMIT_AS to 40% of the total
system memory. There must be a better way.
Does anyone know of one?
void abort_handler(int sig)
{ cerr << "\n\nSystem abort received.";
[Explain that this could be because too
much memory was used.]
exit(1); }
...
int mem_percent = 40;
ifstream memfile( "/proc/meminfo" );
while( memfile.peek( ) != EOF )
{ char* line;
memfile.gets(&line, '\n');
if ( [line starts with "MemTotal"] )
{ int mem_max =
[the integer which appears in line];
rlimit mem;
mem.rlim_cur =
mem_max * mem_percent * 10;
mem.rlim_max =
mem_max * mem_percent * 10;
setrlimit( RLIMIT_AS, &mem );
break; } }
memfile.close( );
signal( SIGABRT, abort_handler );
...
David Jaffe
Dept. of Math. and Stat.
Univ. of Nebraska - Lincoln
e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:21:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Point taken. To me, it just looks like ncurses, the terminfo database,
>fetchmail and a video timing HOWTO are not things that need much work
>to maintain nowadays.
Perhaps not now, but they were at one point. Eric has also contributed
something exceptionally rare in the free software community: A bit of
positive press, and some people skills. He convinced a couple of companies
to start dabbling with "open source", and that's a step closer to the general
acceptance of free software as an economic model that I think we all want
to see.
-s
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From: "A Nourai" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: suse compilation problems (suse 6.1)
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 03:19:30 +1000
out of curiosity has anyone else had problems compiling 3rd party software
under suse (6.1). For me kernels compile fine, but with other programs
including binutils (i need to compile my own special one to run some m68k
assembly simulators) I get some strange errors. In particular xmkfm cant
find its template confg file.
i havent supplied any detail here. I'm just wondering if this happens to
other people as it might point me in the direction to fixing the probs.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: JM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: f00f_bug , core bomb and Esound error
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:05:01 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I installed RH Linux 6.0 on my PC (Thinkpad i series 1451 with PI
> 300Mhz). Would anybody please let me know the following?
>
> 1. I clicked on the left foot icon on the bottom menu bar.
> Then, I chose utility -> system info -> detailed info.
> I found "f00f_bug yes". What is this? Do I have to worry
> about it?
> 2. Whenever I logon to Linux, the GNOME window comes out.
> I mean the one which looks like Window 95/98 with files
> represented by icons. I found that there is a yellow bomb
> titled "core". The bomb has eyes. What is this? I reinstalled
> Linux several times and this thing keep appearing. Do I have
> to worry about it? How to prevent this from happening?
>
Login as root and add a line to /etc/profile
which says 'ulimit -c 0' if you do not need core files created for any
user.
(maybe there is a line in there that has the same command with a
different
number - in that case change that line)
Add it to .bash_profile in the user's home directory if you don't need
this to
happen for only one user.
and of course 'man ulimit' to understand what all this means..
all this assuming you're still using bash, the default shell in Redhat
6.0.
Otherwise you have to modify the corresponding rc file for the shell.
JM
>
> 3. Under Enlightenment Configuratin Editor, I chose Audio and then
> enable sounds in Englightment When I clicked ok, I got
> "Error initialising sound there was an error communicating with
> teh audio server (Esound). Audio will now be disabeled"
> Anybody knows how to fix the problem
>
>
> Thanks.
>
> Jimmy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Karl Marx was fat and hairy chap
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:33:47 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:02:17 GMT...
..and Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> I'd hardly call ESR's contributions ( parts of ncurses, giflib, and
> >fetchmail )
> >> as well as the XFree86 video timings howto "negligeable".
>
> >Has he actually started any coding project? He seems to merely
> >maintain stuff that doesn't require much maintenance. But maybe that's
> >just wrong perception.
>
> It is. There was a fair amount of maintenance going on... And keep in mind,
> maintenance, because it's less "glorious" than new development, is where
> there's generally a shortage of competent people.
Point taken. To me, it just looks like ncurses, the terminfo database,
fetchmail and a video timing HOWTO are not things that need much work
to maintain nowadays.
mawa
--
"Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has
genius, power and magic in it"
-- Goethe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:38:36 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:58:31 GMT...
..and Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Yes. But it is not *all* we do. Listen, this discussion seems to have
> >reached a standstill. You know the story of the optimist saying that
> >the glass is half full while the pessimist says that it's half empty?
>
> And the engineer says "this glass is twice as big as it needs to be".
>
> >I say that as long as there is a trace of reasonable thinking, of
> >ideals and cooperation, we are human, and not animals.
>
> "I say that as long as there is a cute fuzzy tail, we are talking about
> rabbits, not animals."
>
> If, on the other hand, you are using "animals" as a shorthand for "animals
> which have no trace of reasonable thinking, ideals, and cooperation", you
> will have to exclude several other species from the list as well, but it
> seems fairly clear to me that elephants aren't "human".
I have never claimed that there is a broad, insurmountable canyon between
animals and humans. There can't be, since of course we are a product
of animal evolution.
> >You, on the other hand, claim that as long as there is a trace of
> >instincts and animal nature left, we are animals, and not human.
>
> He never said "not human". We can be both.
Then what is the problem if he accepts that we are different from
animals?
> >If you think so... Nevertheless, it was something animals would *not*
> >have been capable of. As cynical as it may sound, this, too, is *human
> >nature* and not *animal nature*. Of course it's the dark side of human
> >nature. But it is not animal behaviour. Animals do not commit
> >genocide or coldly plan systems of oppression and destruction.
>
> Actually, they do. At least, they have wars in which they try to wipe out
> completely competing tribes. Mostly primates, sure, but...
>
> I think you're way too attached to the idea that variance within a group
> doesn't happen, and there can't be animals which are in various ways
> different from other animals.
Why do you all shy away from a frontal assault and keep on arguing
about stupid little definition problems? Man is in so many various
ways different from other animals that he's not animal anymore. What's
the point?
mawa
--
"Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has
genius, power and magic in it"
-- Goethe
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anthony Ord)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: CIA assassinations
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 1999 17:11:51 GMT
On Wed, 14 Jul 1999 00:54:17 -0700, Generalissimo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Michel Catudal wrote:
>> Capitalism is man exploiting man
>> Communism and socialism are the opposite
>Is it from the latest Stallman, or something <g>?
No, it was a Polish thing, talking about the Russians. The
Poles came up with many subtle "jokes" about the Russians.
Some people don't even get this one.
Regards
Anthony
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From: lezz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.announce,alt.sources.d
Subject: GNU Trueprint released
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:30:05 -0400
The new GNU program, GNU Trueprint, has just been released to ftp.gnu.org.
Not all the information is up on the GNU site yet, but the package is
at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/trueprint/Trueprint-5.0.tar.gz (and mirrors
of that site - see below for list).
Trueprint is a program for printing source code in a variety of languages (C
is the best supported) and other text files to postscript printers. It
supports a wealth of options to support printing source code, such as
diff-marking, line numbers, indentation levels, file and function
indices, and many others.
Trueprint 5.0 is the first GNU version; the major differences between version
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texinfo documentation. There are no major functionality differences between
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.be.misc
Subject: Re: File systems
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Stephen van Egmond)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:36:52 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
JP Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>BFS is often described as a Journaling filesystem, but no-one has ever
>explained what this means, and what advantages it would offer.
Journalling is a technique to keep file system metadata consistent. Linux
and Windows run file system checks when you do a spontaneous reboot
because their metadata can become inconsistent.
Metdata refers to diretory structure, file update times, links between
file fragments, and the whole shebang. Everything except the actual data
in the files.
When a change to directory metadata is mandated (i.e. you deleted file),
a description of the change (i.e. "go to this inode and make this change)
is written out to a staging area. Then, the equivalent of releasing a
semaphore is performed to indicate that the staging area is completely
written. Your drive has to perform what is essentially an atomic
operation, one that cannot be interrupted by power loss or anything else.
Modern HDs can do this. After that, the file system is free to execute
the staging area's instructions, no matter how many times the user reboots
the machine. Eventually the file will be deleted.
If, however, power is interrupted before the "semaphore" is released, the
metadata operation will be lost.
This technique is very much analogous to writing a new file into /tmp,
then moving it on top of the a file it is meant to replace (e.g. word
processing docs).
BFS only journals file system *metadata*, not file system *data*. That's
up to the app author, using the above /tmp technique for instance.
Implicitly, you can't write a read-only BFS system. You must finish
burning the instructions in the "staging area" before it's safe to
interpret the directory structure.
Hope this helps,
Steve
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From: Arun Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: open with default app - how to set?
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:45:22 -0400
How do u set a default application to open files of a certain type. I
want to set x11amp as my default app for MP3's.
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Ransburg)
Subject: Compile MegaHAL on RedHat 6.0
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 20:59:14 GMT
Hi!
Did anybody of you get MegaHal to compile on a RedHat Box (6.0)? And if
yes,
which modification did you do to the source to get it working?
You can download it at
http://ciips.ee.uwa.edu.au/~hutch/hal/ftp/MegaHAL.html
if you are interested.
TIA
ps: I know that there is a binary.
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.linux.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Marx vs. Nozick
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Seebach)
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:24:00 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It was the Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:58:31 GMT...
>..and Peter Seebach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> If, on the other hand, you are using "animals" as a shorthand for "animals
>> which have no trace of reasonable thinking, ideals, and cooperation", you
>> will have to exclude several other species from the list as well, but it
>> seems fairly clear to me that elephants aren't "human".
>I have never claimed that there is a broad, insurmountable canyon between
>animals and humans. There can't be, since of course we are a product
>of animal evolution.
But I'm not sure there's any definition other than speciation that even allows
us to conclusively separate ourselves out - except, of course, "us vs. them".
>> He never said "not human". We can be both.
>Then what is the problem if he accepts that we are different from
>animals?
But we aren't "different from animals". We are a subset. We still have
the traditional traits of animals.
>Why do you all shy away from a frontal assault and keep on arguing
>about stupid little definition problems? Man is in so many various
>ways different from other animals that he's not animal anymore. What's
>the point?
I believe that to be a misunderstanding of our place in the world; when you
start saying "we're not animals", you tend to start ignoring or
misunderstanding characteristics we've had as a species for some time.
It is important to understand how we got to be where we are, and what some
of the roots of our nature are, if we are to make useful progress
understanding ourselves.
-s
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Copyright 1999, All rights reserved. Peter Seebach / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Jeremy Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linux mail server w/ embedded Excel docs support
Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 16:11:48 -0500
My boss has tasked me to finding a Linux mail that supports embedded
Excel docs, or does an animal exist. I am new to Linux (but learned
faster than I thought possible) and I will be implementing this beast.
Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.
Peace, love and all of that crap ;-P
Jeremy
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