Linux-Misc Digest #113, Volume #19 Sat, 20 Feb 99 16:13:12 EST
Contents:
Help: XFree86 & Gateway (Len Smith)
Re: How do I determine if Linux is swapping ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Linux on a 486DX 33 ISA system (Curtis Newton)
Detecting CD (Stuart Graham)
Using SQL and roxen? ([EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Persson))
Re: hdparm command (Christopher Michael Collins)
Re: Linux Compatible modem? (Jason Clifford)
Re: Linux on a 486DX 33 ISA system (Bill Mitchell)
Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters (jedi)
Old ISA ethernet card - Recomendations? ("Arcady Genkin")
Re: HOW CAN I LINK libg++ LIBRARY TO COMPILE C++ CODES UNDER GCC? (NF Stevens)
Re: glibc-2.1 and ld.so (Jamie Lokier)
linux in PC Computing, PC World ? (Tom Fawcett)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (John S. Dyson)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (John S. Dyson)
Re: How to low-level format a harddrive ("Torsten Jenkner")
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Kinkster)
Kernel boot option needed (Chuck Carlson)
Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?) (Jason Clifford)
Re: Old ISA ethernet card - Recomendations? (Jason Clifford)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Jim Richardson)
Re: Simple text processor (Jason Clifford)
Where to put modprobe stuff? (Yan Seiner)
How to get 'Press any key to continue' ? (oak)
Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers (Eric Lee Green)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Len Smith)
Subject: Help: XFree86 & Gateway
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:04:10 GMT
I have a Gateway 2000 P5-166, 96Mb RAM and a 5.1Gb HD. The PC uses a
Maxtox Milleneum 2Mb Video Card with a Viviton 17 monitor.
When I install Linux (Red Hat or Slackware) I am unable to get XFree86
to work at all. I have tried XFree86Config and the other utility to
no avail.
Can anyone help me with this issue? Thanks.
P.S. If you reply to the NG, please cc: me in at my email address.
TIA
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How do I determine if Linux is swapping
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:58:40 GMT
You can also run top. It's a text-mode program, so it will run in an xterm,
telnet, or on the plain old console terminal.
Just type 'top' at the command line. The fifth line down shows swap usuage.
-Dave
In article <7adem8$e4h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Ed Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> info wrote:
> >
> > hello,
> > I'm using Redhat Linux 5.2 and I'm using it as a proxy server. How
> > do I determine
> > if my system is swapping?
> >
> > Raul B.
> One sure fire way is to listen to it. If your disk drive sounds like a
machine
> gun you are swapping. You could check into running something like xosview on
> your server and displaying it on your desktop (you are running Linux on your
> desktop I presume :-)
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Curtis Newton)
Subject: Linux on a 486DX 33 ISA system
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:24:30 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I have a 486DX/33 ISA (8MB of RAM; 420MB hard drive) based system that
is currently running Windows 3.11 with a Windows95 type interface from
http://www.calmira.org
Right now, it is basically my wife's ICQ machine, but she also uses it
for some web surfing.
It runs fine, but when you try to access the internet, web surfing is
excruciatingly painful.
I was wondering if my copy of Red Hat Linux 5.2 would run any quicker
than the windows 3.11 I currently have running?
I currently use Red Hat Linux 5.2 with the 2.2.1 kernel and KDE 1.1 on
my on my P200 with 64MB of RAM home built system and it runs great.
But, how does Linux run (especially X) on a 486DX/33 with 8MB of RAM?
Anyone run it on this type of system? I am not expecting the machine
to work so quickly that I will throw out my P200, but is the speed
acceptable? Thanks for any input.
-
--
===================================
Curtis Newton
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://cnewton.home.mindspring.com
===================================
Due to USENET spamming, I had to modify
my reply to email address.
Please delete ".remove" to reply.
By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets
the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is
unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By
Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever
is greater, for each violation.
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From: Stuart Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Detecting CD
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 08:26:50 -0800
Does anyone know of a system call in Linux to detect whether a CD has
been put in to the CDROM drive, or to detect the difference between CDs
in the drive if they've not been mounted?
I'm running RH5.2 on an Intel.
Thanks,
Stuart
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From: eric@<NOSPAM>persson.tm (Eric Persson)
Crossposted-To: linux.debian.faq,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Using SQL and roxen?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:13:53 GMT
Hi !!
I installed a Debian system with Roxen and SQL as a module. The roxen
server works good for both ftp/http but I would like to test the SQL
module. I cant figure it out how it works.
Can anyone tell me how to make a very simple database and send a
simple query to it?
Any examples and advices would be appreciated.
Regards,
Eric Persson
Ps. Remove the <NOSPAM> to answear via e-mail.
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Subject: Re: hdparm command
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Michael Collins)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:12:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Paul Kimoto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Careful, /dev/hda1 is a partition! The drive is /dev/hda.
>Paul Kimoto
Paul, how can these results be used to benchmark disk performance?
What should I expect when using a EIDE at something like
PIO mode 1 vs. PIO mode 3 VS UDMA etc...
How about two different drives with the same settings like
Western Digital Vs. Seagate etc..
--
--Chris
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux Compatible modem?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:11:27 +0000
On 20 Feb 1999, Frank Hahn wrote:
> I'm not sure this is true or not but there is a comment in the March
> 1999 issue of PC World that all PCI modems are controllerless modems
> or winmodems. The page number is 258. Look in the middle column
> towards the bottom.
This is not entierly accurate (very few articles in a PC mag will be!).
Kernel 2.0.37 has some support for a very small number of PCI modems.
They key to ensuring that a PC modem will work is ensuring that as well as
a standard modem chipset (Rockwell etc) it has a 16x50 chip on it - actual
hardware rather than software as most PCI modems are.
I have heard a rumour that MultiTech are producing such a modem although I
have not seen one so cannot verify this.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:49:00 +0000
From: Bill Mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux on a 486DX 33 ISA system
Curtis Newton wrote:
> I have a 486DX/33 ISA (8MB of RAM; 420MB hard drive) based system that
> is currently running Windows 3.11 with a Windows95 type interface from
> http://www.calmira.org
>
> Right now, it is basically my wife's ICQ machine, but she also uses it
> for some web surfing.
>
> It runs fine, but when you try to access the internet, web surfing is
> excruciatingly painful.
>
> I was wondering if my copy of Red Hat Linux 5.2 would run any quicker
> than the windows 3.11 I currently have running?
>
> I currently use Red Hat Linux 5.2 with the 2.2.1 kernel and KDE 1.1 on
> my on my P200 with 64MB of RAM home built system and it runs great.
>
> But, how does Linux run (especially X) on a 486DX/33 with 8MB of RAM?
> Anyone run it on this type of system? I am not expecting the machine
> to work so quickly that I will throw out my P200, but is the speed
> acceptable? Thanks for any input.
>
> -
> --
> -----------------------------------
> Curtis Newton
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://cnewton.home.mindspring.com
> -----------------------------------
>
> Due to USENET spamming, I had to modify
> my reply to email address.
>
> Please delete ".remove" to reply.
>
> By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer meets
> the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C), it is
> unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment. By
> Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
> punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500, whichever
> is greater, for each violation.
Get some more RAM (it's cheap) and run a light window manager (not KDE) and
it should work great. I have Window Maker running on a 486-50 with 28 megs
of RAM as a play machine at home and it works great.
Bill Mitchell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (jedi)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Advice for Microsoft-haters
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:58:58 -0800
On Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:25:44 GMT, Paul Doherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Thomas Joynt wrote:
>> True, but they were still nuclear devices that had lasting radioactive effectrs
>> as well. There is a certain stigma attached with that.
>
>As there should be... but it *was* war and you know how the saying
>goes.
However, if we're going to distribute some stigma we
should do so for other similarly heinous bombing
missions like the firebombings of Tokyo and Dresden.
--
Herding Humans ~ Herding Cats
Neither will do a thing unless they really want to, or |||
is coerced to the point where it will scratch your eyes out / | \
as soon as your grip slips.
In search of sane PPP docs? Try http://penguin.lvcm.com
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From: "Arcady Genkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Old ISA ethernet card - Recomendations?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:05:16 -0500
Hi all!
Can you guys recomend what used ISA networking card should I buy?
I am going to network 2 computers. The other one already is a PCI
full-duplex 100Base-TX/10Base-T with Reltek 8139 chip (ne2000 for PCI).
Should it influence my decision as to what to buy? I have heard that ne2000
clones are poor performers.
What transmission speeds do you suppose I will be able to get out of it? I
know 100Base is capable of 200 Mbps in full duplex mode. Any ISA cards match
that?
Also, how safe is it to buy from online auctions, like Ebay? There seems to
be tons of old hardware for sale there...
Thanx a lot for any input!
Arcady
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NF Stevens)
Subject: Re: HOW CAN I LINK libg++ LIBRARY TO COMPILE C++ CODES UNDER GCC?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:26:53 GMT
Thapa Damar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>HELLO! World,
>
>Help needed!!
>
>I installed RedHat 5.2 on my Pentium PC, where, due to the size of my
>harddisk (small, but responsible to accommodate two Operating Systems,
>viz Win95 and Linux), I kept all software in minimum possible level.
>
>After the installion, I tried to compile hello.c and hello.C files,
>using gcc. But, I received the error messages, '<stdio.h> file not
>found" in helo.c's case, and "<iostream.h> file not found" in helo.C's.
>I installed necessary libraries, and tried both files again; helo.c
>worked, but not helo.C.
>
>libg++ library, which, as far as I know is the one for C++ compiler, is
>there in my system, but compiler does not use it. It seems, I have to
>link that library somewhere, somehow before compiling again, but I do
>not know how!
>
Did you add -lg++ to your command line?
Norman
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From: Jamie Lokier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: glibc-2.1 and ld.so
Date: 20 Feb 1999 19:44:52 +0000
David Madore writes:
> In the switch from libc5 to libc6, the following solution to this
> problem was adopted: the ld.so was given the ad hoc capability of
> distinguishing between libc5 and libc6 libraries, and the given ld.so
> would only load whichever libraries concerned it. That way, both
> something like /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib and /usr/lib could be put in
> the /etc/ld.so.conf and they wouldn't get mixed up despite the name
> conflicts for some libraries (such as libX11.so.6). This solution
> can't be used for glibc-2.1 because the dynamic linker can't
> distinguish glibc-2.0 and glibc-2.1 binaries. So it seems you can't
> make glibc-2.0 and glibc-2.1 cohabit on the same system.
Heeh, Netscape still loads libc5 _and_ libc6!
-- Jamie
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From: Tom Fawcett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: linux in PC Computing, PC World ?
Date: 20 Feb 1999 14:30:18 -0500
Does either PC Computing or PC World have anything to offer a linux user?
I checked the websites but couldn't determine anything. It looks like they
have a few intro articles on Linux but no general coverage of anything but
Microsoft.
Thanks,
-Tom
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 20 Feb 1999 18:29:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> Who are the parasites? It is pretty obvious...
>
> You ignorance is showing through here. I happen to produce a Linux
> distribution so I am far more qualified to comment on this point than you
> obviously are.
>
> Red Hat, my own company, and others do not alter the licenses that the
> software is available under at all. We do choice the license we prefer for
> our own works which is our choice not yours!
>
You are *so* extremely dependent on other peoples work, and you don't
realize that whatever support that you provide is miniscule compared
to the 100's if not 1000's of developers producing code that you
are redistributing. Any allusions or comments about parasites aren't
really solved by using GPL, it is more the CDROM pressers, "support"
whatever that means, and merchandisers that make money when using
GPL. It is only a side effect that the inventive get any piece of the
GPL pie.
If you didn't redistribute other's work, and distributed ONLY the fruits
of your companies own labor, then you would be more self-sufficient, and
not as dependent on others. A truly "fair" economic situation would allow
the support of royalties, so all of those "little" 1000's of programmers
that are supporting your lifestyle, would get more of a piece of it, than
a CD or two for their trouble.
Rather than contributing to the FSF or Linux, hows about contributing to
their contributors? Then, you would be supporting the development effort
more effectively... The notion of a royalty system does seem fair,
doesn't it -- esp considering all of the profit you are making from
others (who don't have the big-name billing.)
>
> No license is perfect. There are serious problems with the BSD license
> for many poeple. The choice of license is directly related to the controls
> the author wishes to put in place and the rights (s)he wishes to assign to
> the users of that product.
>
So, bring in the BSD license, which I also agree isn't perfect... However,
the BSD legacy helps support the "developers" of code, while GPL mostly
helps the merchants (feed their families.) In some cases, a developer
might be a merchant, but there is often a shell game in that support fees
are being fed to development... Can you say "inflated"?
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: 20 Feb 1999 18:35:34 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner) writes:
> Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> spake unto us, saying:
>
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John S. Dyson) writes:
>>
>>> I strongly suggest that people really read licenses, and get help from
>>> their legal staff if they need it.
>>
>>By the way, I completely agree with John.
>>
>>People should read the licences very carefully. You'll discover that
>>a lot of licences are not compatible.
>
> Yes, this is very important I think, and regardless of one's position
> regarding other matters. It's very important to understand the license
> attached to code you are using. Perhaps even viewing.
>
It would be a *wonderful* project to have an unbiased and non-idealogical
site on the various licenses and terms. Not only should the first order
effects be explained, but subsequent effects on other redistributors and
programmers. Also, a legal clarification of derived works and how
various licenses affect the derived works would be really cool.
Except for some superficial issues these discussions mostly irritate
the involved, and probably only slightly open the eyes of the peripheral
contributors. If non-idealogical sites would have information, then
more sides of the argument would be provided. This is NOT a BSD vs. GPL
issue, but has LOTS more dimensions, and also has impact on the future
of programming, and how it is paid for.
--
John | Never try to teach a pig to sing,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | it makes one look stupid
[EMAIL PROTECTED] | and it irritates the pig.
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From: "Torsten Jenkner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: How to low-level format a harddrive
Date: 20 Feb 1999 19:40:11 GMT
with modern harddrives it is impossible to low-level format them. If you do
so, you would destroy the drive completely. The question is what problems
you have exactly. Are there any problems on hardware? Are there any tracks
unreadable and/or not writeable? give us more information.
Torsten Jenkner
A.G. schrieb in Nachricht ...
>Hi all:
>
>I suspect I have problems with my harddrive. Can somebody advise about the
>subj?
>
>Thanx for any input,
>Arcady
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kinkster)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss,uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:56:34 GMT
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 17:28:27 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Knott)
wrote:
>Kinkster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Maybe we should all drive busses ?
>
>PCI or ISA? ;-)
VLB - Very Large Busses ;)
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From: Chuck Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Kernel boot option needed
Date: 20 Feb 1999 19:49:37 GMT
Hello,
I've got a kernel that crashes on boot-up on a particular system.
Unfortunately, the screen clears when it crashes and I don't get to see
progress or error messages.
Is there a kernel boot option that can redirect the console to a serial
port? If there is such an option, there must also be options to config
the serial port.
Thanks for any ideas,
Chuck Carlson
(remove cutmeout to reply via email)
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.unix.questions,comp.unix.advocacy,comp.unix.misc,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: Best Free Unix? (why FreeBSD?)
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:23:52 +0000
On 20 Feb 1999, John S. Dyson wrote:
> You are *so* extremely dependent on other peoples work, and you don't
> realize that whatever support that you provide is miniscule compared
> to the 100's if not 1000's of developers producing code that you
> are redistributing.
Once again your presumptions are the result of ignorance. To the,
literally, thousands of people to whom I have supplied Linux over the past
2 years the service I have provided (and the service provided by others
like me) has been crucial to their being able to obtain and try both Linux
and FreeBSD. Not everyone is fortunate enough to have access to high
bandwidth cheap Internet access.
> Any allusions or comments about parasites aren't
> really solved by using GPL, it is more the CDROM pressers, "support"
> whatever that means, and merchandisers that make money when using
> GPL. It is only a side effect that the inventive get any piece of the
> GPL pie.
You are the one who started throwing the term parasite at people like me.
If you don't know what support mean I suggest you go and speak to someone
new to a system such as Linux or FreeBSD or to any company that needs
backup in implementing such a system.
> If you didn't redistribute other's work, and distributed ONLY the fruits
> of your companies own labor, then you would be more self-sufficient, and
> not as dependent on others. A truly "fair" economic situation would allow
> the support of royalties, so all of those "little" 1000's of programmers
> that are supporting your lifestyle, would get more of a piece of it, than
> a CD or two for their trouble.
Fine let's implement that right now then. Would each person who has
contributed to Linux please send me money now such as to be sufficient to
make up the loss of over $50,000 that I have had from selling Linux and
FreeBSD software.
> Rather than contributing to the FSF or Linux, hows about contributing to
> their contributors? Then, you would be supporting the development effort
> more effectively... The notion of a royalty system does seem fair,
> doesn't it -- esp considering all of the profit you are making from
> others (who don't have the big-name billing.)
I make no profit whatsover from other people's work. In fact I subsidise
the distribution of free and Open Source software within the UK through
the provision of consultancy and support.
Don't make assumptions as to other people's business practices when you
know nothing about them - you are not qualified to do so.
> > No license is perfect. There are serious problems with the BSD license
> > for many poeple. The choice of license is directly related to the controls
> > the author wishes to put in place and the rights (s)he wishes to assign to
> > the users of that product.
> >
> So, bring in the BSD license, which I also agree isn't perfect... However,
> the BSD legacy helps support the "developers" of code, while GPL mostly
> helps the merchants (feed their families.) In some cases, a developer
> might be a merchant, but there is often a shell game in that support fees
> are being fed to development... Can you say "inflated"?
Can you say "ignorant assumption"? The developers of the code that is
released under GPL have chosen that license for the code as is their
right. It is not my place OR YOURS to seek to deny them that right.
Tell me exactly how a developer who releases under BSD style licenses
profits from other people's use of their work. You cannot because it does
not so stop making false statements on this front and while you are at it
stop slandering those who spend a great deal of time and effort making
this software more easily available.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Old ISA ethernet card - Recomendations?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:27:33 +0000
On Sat, 20 Feb 1999, Arcady Genkin wrote:
> I am going to network 2 computers. The other one already is a PCI
> full-duplex 100Base-TX/10Base-T with Reltek 8139 chip (ne2000 for PCI).
That is the wrong driver - you should be using the Realtek 8129/8139
driver (and getting the updated version from the authors site which is far
more stable than the one included in the kernel source even though they
show the same version number)
> What transmission speeds do you suppose I will be able to get out of it? I
> know 100Base is capable of 200 Mbps in full duplex mode. Any ISA cards match
> that?
To my knowledge only 3Com produce a 100baseT ISA network card as the ISA
bus is not ideal for such high bandwidth. I know nothing about the card
per se.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 20 Feb 1999 19:46:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:34:34 -0800,
Arthur, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>> > To what are you referring?
>
>> Presumably to the Ford Pinto, which had a small design defect that
>> would have cost tens of millions to fix and looked like it would cost
>> in the neighborhood of zero to one lives if it weren't fixed.
>> Unfortunately for Ford, the one life didn't end up ended but merely
>> horrible burnt and very, very litigious.
>
>> But yes, safety in technology tends to increase over time; regulation
>> may speed that up (by requiring non-cost-effective changes) or slow it
>> down (by slowing the pace of technological change). Either way, a bad
>> bargain.
>
>In the late 70's (79?) three women burned to death when a
>Pinto was struck from behind and the gas tank blew up. The
>gas tank failure was traced to the absence of a bracket
>which cost less than $3 (might have been much less - I'm
>not sure) which some Ford engineers thought was necessary.
>It was left out as a cost savings. I was a QC/Reliability
>manager for an automotive electronics supplier at the time,
>and Ford was a customer. Ford eventually prevailed in court.
>
>My suspicion is the three women would have viewed the cost
>effectiveness differently than Ford did.
>
>Arthur
If they had felt that way, why didn't they buy a Volvo? or a big
Buick?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Jason Clifford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Simple text processor
Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 20:23:38 +0000
On Fri, 19 Feb 1999, Tim Laursen wrote:
> usually use. However the question was about a console based editor,
> and for that I have never heard anyone recommend anything but vi or
> Emacs.
joe (very wordstar like) and jed to name but two.
Jason Clifford
Definite Linux Systems
http://definite.ukpost.com/
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From: Yan Seiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Where to put modprobe stuff?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:35:07 -0500
I am having to initialize hardware at boot - so far, a digi board and
now a scsi controller. My system boots from mobo IDE, so I've been
putting all my modprobe commands into rc.local. Is this the best
place? I am somewhat hazy (read: completely ignorant) of the different
runlevels and at what time rc.local is actually run.
TIA,
Yan
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From: oak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: How to get 'Press any key to continue' ?
Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:34:50 GMT
I need to make my shell script have some kind of function that will
prompt 'Press any key to continue'.
The script is invoked as so 'xterm -e myscript &'
The problem is when this script is completed the xterm terminates and
I don't have a chance to see any messages the script might have left.
If there is something like 'Press any key to continue' the xterm will
hang around long enough for me to see the output.
Another thing I'd like to do on some of my scripts is put a little
delay on it so that instead of having to press a key to continue there
will be a pause for a specified persiod of time.
Thanks,
-Tony
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Lee Green)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Consumer Poll Says Microsoft Is Good For Consumers
Date: 20 Feb 1999 20:34:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 20 Feb 1999 19:46:50 GMT, Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 01:34:34 -0800,
>>In the late 70's (79?) three women burned to death when a
>>Pinto was struck from behind and the gas tank blew up. The
>>gas tank failure was traced to the absence of a bracket
>>which cost less than $3 (might have been much less - I'm
>>not sure) which some Ford engineers thought was necessary.
>>It was left out as a cost savings. I was a QC/Reliability
>>manager for an automotive electronics supplier at the time,
>>and Ford was a customer. Ford eventually prevailed in court.
>>
>>My suspicion is the three women would have viewed the cost
>>effectiveness differently than Ford did.
>>
>>Arthur
>
>If they had felt that way, why didn't they buy a Volvo? or a big
>Buick?
Because a Volvo costed three times as much as a Pinto and they couldn't
afford one?
Not everybody has a six-digit Silicon Valley salary, y'know.
--
Eric Lee Green [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux-hw.com/~eric
"First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you.
Then you win." -- Ghandi
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