Linux-Misc Digest #927, Volume #23               Wed, 22 Mar 00 20:13:03 EST

Contents:
  LINUX or not? (th499)
  Re: I Broke It (Raquel Rice)
  Re: Do you hate vi? ("Tim Haynes")
  Re: How can I get files from my Win98 c: drive in Linux? ("denilson alves de 
oliveira")
  Re: Do you hate vi? (David A. Rogers)
  Re: Tuning X ("Peter T. Breuer")
  Re: mail client (Hartmann Schaffer)
  Re: Netscape woes: Bus error (Ron Sussman)
  Re: Do you hate vi? (Matt Chiglinsky)
  Re: Do you hate vi?  vi or vim?  Deathmatch! (Richard Corfield)
  Re: Do you hate vi?  vi or vim?  Deathmatch! (Richard Corfield)
  Re: Can't Download Tar Files (KaDoS)
  Re: Can't Download Tar Files ("John J. Lee")
  Re: Can't Download Tar Files (Jan Schaumann)
  Re: Browser based email - Specifics (Jan Schaumann)
  Re: Window Maker (Jan Schaumann)
  Re: mail client ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Installing RedHat 6.0 with a non bootable CDROM (Unclebob)
  Re: Making mouse cursors invisible (Juergen Heinzl)
  Re: Prevent X autostart on RH 6.1 (Unclebob)
  Re: Do you hate vi? (Tony Houghton)
  Re: Do you hate vi?  vi or vim?  Deathmatch! (Tony Houghton)
  Re: Do you hate vi? (Tony Houghton)
  looking for 'simple' proxy for unix (Philip Brown)

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From: th499 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: LINUX or not?
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 22:30:07 GMT

Hi,

As a long time user of Windows 98, I'm thinking about ditching the OS for 
Linux.  Frankly I don't know which version of Linux I should buy.  I'm not 
an expert user on Linux, more of a newbie type.  Can you recommend the 
version of Linux I should get?  Is Mandrade 7.1 any good?  Thank you for 
your answer.  

--
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From: Raquel Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I Broke It
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 14:10:31 -0800

Raquel Rice wrote:

> Yan Seiner wrote:
>
> > Oops - I did not mean to say that you should not have asked; rather,
> > there may be some other solutions available if you search dejanews.
>
> While I start checking out the other tricks, here is what I have.
> 6 year old Pentium 90 that I had been running NT 3.51 on.  I got tired of it
> crashing so removed the os ... leaving all my data on FAT partitions, along
> with a few Windoze applications, added memory bringing the box up to 64 MB and
> put a new 13.6 GB harddrive as the master with the thought of later using the
> old 1 GB drive for a 486/66 that was networked to this machine and installing
> Linux on it too, removing WFWG.
>
> The printer is indeed connected to a parallel port (the only one) on this
> box.  I read all the HOW-TOs and posts here and on other ng,  Yesterday I
> finally figured out why the printer wasn't working and fixed it.  Then I did
> the stupid thing that caused this problem.
>

Sorry, I forgot to add that I installed Red Hat 6.1 on the 12th.  The
installation went well and I've been running since the 12th.

--
Raquel
=============================================================
It's better to be known by six people for something you're proud of than by 60
million for something you're not.
  -- Albert Brooks


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From: "Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:59:13 +0000

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Chiglinsky) writes:

> >I try to write anything in "vi" (Linux), if I want to copy/paste lines
> >I try to write anything in "emacs" (Linux), if I don't need copy/paste
> 
> Copy/paste in emacs you don't like?  I'll have to admit one thing I
> don't like about vi that you can do in emacs is place a region mark in
> the middle of a line.  vi only allows you to yank words, whole lines,
> and groups of lines which isn't quite as precise as is sometimes
> needs.

You *definitely* need to play with vim, then. It was the first thing that I
encountered other than the abonimable Word 2 that could do rectangular
selection. (Useful for the days of having ascii-art owls in one's .sig :)

Alternatively, can't you do something like      y4l    to yank 4 characters
to the right?

~Tim
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From: "denilson alves de oliveira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I get files from my Win98 c: drive in Linux?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:57:50 GMT



ShiDeng <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu no artigo
<KfKB4.19656$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I have two operating systems installed on one hard drive.  Windows 98 and
> Linux.  How can I get files from the c: drive of Windows 98 in Linux?  I
> tried to copy the files to a floppy disk and use "mount /mnt/floppy" as
> root, but it gave me some error message. Can anyone help me for solving
this
> problem?  Thanks!
> 
> Shi
> 
> 
You need have a kernel with support to vfat and then mount your partition:

mount -tvfat /dev/hda1 /mnt

May be other /dev/hda??? 


If you like dangerous things try this: load yours win98 with DOSEMU and
make a directory of linux partition visible for DOSEMU. Use COPY to
exchange files. It�s work;)

Denilson

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David A. Rogers)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 22:42:43 GMT

Thus sayeth Matt Chiglinsky:
>Copy/paste in emacs you don't like?  I'll have to admit one thing I
>don't like about vi that you can do in emacs is place a region mark in
>the middle of a line.  vi only allows you to yank words, whole lines,
>and groups of lines which isn't quite as precise as is sometimes
>needs.

This is a fallacy.  Even in vanilla vi this is easy.

Go to the beginning point.
Type "ma".  (Mark as 'a').
Go to the end point.
Type "y`a".

Yanks from the begin point to the end point no matter where in the line they
may be.  There are other ways even in vanilla vi.

Of course all the newer vi do visible selection.  Which is even nicer as you
can see what you are selecting.

dar

--
Theak before spinking.

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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tuning X
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:29:55 GMT

Scott Bate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I am now tuning Xwindows for best resolution, refresh rates and color depth.
: I have XFree86 v3.3.5 on Redhat v6.1. My video card has a S3Trio3D/2X
: chipset with 4M VRAM. The monitor is not listed in any of the Xsetup/config

Doesn't matter.

: utilities but is a 'KTX' 15" on which I am able to run 1024X768 in MS
: Windows (unsure of refresh rates). Anyway I have had a lot of trouble

Let's guess Hor 40-60, Ver 60-80. Modify to taste.

: getting good color depth in X. Does anyone know what server is best and

Good? You just choose! Ad the server depends on your card. It either
has the driver for your card in or it does not.

: which monitor I should select in XF86Setup or Xconfigurator?

It really doesn't matter. The monitor only imposes limits. X will
select the best available mode within those limits. You really NEED
to read the X howto, though you've done well so far.

: Finally can one run XF86Setup from within X (terminal window) and have the
: changes actually take effect, if so then do you need to reboot or just exit

I've never used XF86Setup, but I imagine you have to restart X. I
generally just edit XF86Config directly, but I did try Sax (which calls
kvidtune) the other day and was decently amused.

: X. Oh while I am on that, I edited my inittab file to change the line
: id:5:initdefault: to read a 3 instead of the 5. This now brings up a prompt
: asking which run level I want at startup. I thought the 3 would default to
: character-mode on startup. I don't know what the problem is.

Some redhat buggery. Try some other number. Who knows what they have in
rc3.d.


Peter

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hartmann Schaffer)
Subject: Re: mail client
Date: 22 Mar 2000 18:37:01 -0500

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
        [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sacha Kaercher) writes:
> On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 21:17:14 GMT, The Dude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Hey guys,
>>I need you to recomand me a good mail client, and pls not kmail not
>>Netscape.
> 
> 
> Pine is good.

my preference is vm (under (x)emacs)

-- 

Hartmann Schaffer


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From: Ron Sussman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape woes: Bus error
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 18:27:37 -0500

Andrew Purugganan wrote:
> kev ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> : After keeling over and dying (nothing unusual there ;), I tried to start
> : Netscape up again, but it just died whenever I brought up a Messenger
> : window (browsing seemed OK). To find any error messages I tried starting
> : it from the command line with "netscape-communicator -messenger", and it
> : just died instantly with "Bus error". I was forced to reboot to make
> : Netscape work again :o(
> 
> : How can I avoid this error?
> 
> i had the same thing until i was advised to include the 100dpi (or was it 
> 75dpi, i don't remember now) in Netscape's fontpath. i didn't ask for an 
> explanation but it sure did the trick. Still hate Netscape, though
> 
I'm getting this "Bus error" too, but re-booting doesn't help.  I just get it
any & every time I try to run Netscape.  Where is Netscape's fontpath?  And
would I just type in 100dpi after the path?  Thanks.  Oh, & I loathe netscape
too.

--
> jazz  annandy AT dc DOT seflin DOT org
> Registered linux user no. 164098-88940
> Doesn't it bother you, that we have to search for intelligent life
> --- OUT THERE??

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Chiglinsky)
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi?
Date: 22 Mar 2000 23:42:23 GMT

On 22 Mar 2000 22:31:32 GMT, Ken Pizzini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On 22 Mar 2000 21:42:03 GMT, Matt Chiglinsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  I'll have to admit one thing I
>>don't like about vi that you can do in emacs is place a region mark in
>>the middle of a line.
>
>Huh?
>
>>  vi only allows you to yank words, whole lines,
>>and groups of lines which isn't quite as precise as is sometimes
>>needs.
>
>Do you know about the distinction between the motion commands
>` and ' ?

Yes!!!  :-)  I've been trying to figure that out for soooooo long.
That ranks up there with filtering a region.  You rule!  


Now I'm pretty much out of ideas for things that vi can't do that emacs
can do.  Oh wait...there's that life animation.  Damn.  I guess I'll
have to load up emacs to see that.  ;)


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From: Richard Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi?  vi or vim?  Deathmatch!
Date: 20 Mar 2000 23:07:21 +0000

Tony Houghton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>                             [...]Or if there was a utility that
> generated a .emacs file from a much simpler language dedicated to no
> more or less than configuring a text editor (like vim's) and the
> documentation for these options was easier to use.
> 

M-x customize  (or customize off the menus if using XEmacs) may help.

 - Richard.

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From: Richard Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi?  vi or vim?  Deathmatch!
Date: 20 Mar 2000 23:11:03 +0000

"Tim Haynes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Or just supply the .class file (with obfuscated variable names).

I'm finding it nicer than Visual Basic at the moment, though I'm
getting used to working with VB. Java seems a much more `pure'
language, even if it is getting weak links to work around memory leak
problems. In VB things like "Let for system defined types and Set for
user defined types" take some remembering.

 - Richard

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From: KaDoS <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't Download Tar Files
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:30:03 GMT


Binyomin Kaplan wrote:
> 
> 
> Can anyone think of a reason why an http download of a tar
> file on a computer running windows would change it in some way,
> making it unusable? I have a computer without a modem running
> linux. Sometimes I download files for it on the windows computer,
> and it doesn't seem that it was ever a problem to then
> use the files on my linux computer, but now I don't seem to be
> able to untar the files. Winzip doesn't seem to be able to do anything
> with them under Windows either.
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Binyomin
> 
> 
> 
Well, Linux Tar's are different from windows zip files.  If you are trying 
to take the tar from the win pc to the linux pc, via floppy, this is your 
problem.  You can do it, but when you mount the floppy, you have to mount 
it like this mount -t vfat /dev/floppy

you have to tell your linux box what kind of floppy it is.

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From: "John J. Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't Download Tar Files
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:02:47 +0000

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, KaDoS wrote:
[...]
> > Can anyone think of a reason why an http download of a tar
> > file on a computer running windows would change it in some way,
> > making it unusable? I have a computer without a modem running
> > linux. Sometimes I download files for it on the windows computer,
> > and it doesn't seem that it was ever a problem to then
> > use the files on my linux computer, but now I don't seem to be
> > able to untar the files. Winzip doesn't seem to be able to do anything
> > with them under Windows either.
[...]
> Well, Linux Tar's are different from windows zip files.  If you are trying 
> to take the tar from the win pc to the linux pc, via floppy, this is your 
> problem.  You can do it, but when you mount the floppy, you have to mount 
> it like this mount -t vfat /dev/floppy
> 
> you have to tell your linux box what kind of floppy it is.

You do need to tell mount what kind of floppy it is, yes (unless you're
using an auto mount util or something), but that's nothing to do with tar
files.  Tar files are tar files, as far as I know: they're a standard
format.

Make sure you're in binary mode when you download it.

If it's ftp, type 'bin' (on the DOS command line ftp) or do whatever you
need to to tell it that if you're using a GUI ftp.

I think some web browsers need to be told to use binary also.  Try
right-clicking on the link and choosing a likely looking option.


John


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From: Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't Download Tar Files
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:04:39 -0500

Yan Seiner wrote:
> 
> Netscape automagically (and silently) un-gzips tars....

It does?
Not in Linux. Haven't touched a windows machine in a LONG time, so I
don't know if it actually does over *shudder* there....

-Jan

-- 
Jan Schaumann
http://jschauma-0.dsl.speakeasy.net

Q: Do you drink when you're on duty?
A: I don't drink when I'm on duty, unless I come on duty drunk.

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From: Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux
Subject: Re: Browser based email - Specifics
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:14:31 -0500

"John Arnott - PDbS, Inc." wrote:
> 
> My goal is mobility.  Many people accomplish this goal with Yahoo mail and
> Hotmail.  I would like for my company email system to be accessible via a
> browser as well.
> 
> We travel frequently and are often at client sites on client PCs.  Using a
> browser, I can still review my archived mail as well as new mail.
> 
> Lotus Domino accomplishes this goal, but I am looking for alternatives.

I had good experiences with Obsidians Intranet client:
http://www.obsidian.co.za/products/

-Jan

-- 
Jan Schaumann
http://jschauma-0.dsl.speakeasy.net

You're working under a slight handicap.  You happen to be human.

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From: Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Window Maker
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 19:16:57 -0500

Real Virtuality wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> 
> I've got the Window Maker 0.60 and I've got the following problem :
> 
> If I install some themes in my ~/GNUStep/... it works well,
> but I install them in /usr/local/share/WindowMaker/..., it doesn't work
> !
> 
> Some can send me a clue ?


On my machine they go into either ~/GNUStep/Library/WindowMaker/Themes/
or /etc/X11/WindowMaker/Themes/

Also, you might want to upgrade to WM 0.61.1

-Jan

-- 
Jan Schaumann
http://jschauma-0.dsl.speakeasy.net

You should never bet against anything in science at odds of more than
about 10^12 to 1.
                -- Ernest Rutherford

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: mail client
Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:29:19 -0800

In article <8bbd89$pr0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, The Dude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey guys,
> I need you to recomand me a good mail client, and pls not kmail not
> Netscape.
> 
> 

If you like gui mail clients try spruce or balsa. I use spruce.


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Unclebob)
Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 6.0 with a non bootable CDROM
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:32:52 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On or about Wed, 22 Mar 2000 12:14:45 +0100
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 [....Posted....]

>Hi all,
>
>Can anybody help me to solve my problem ?
>I've an old PC that is not able to boot from his CDROM (only HD or FD ar
>allowed by the BIOS)
>I've a RedHat 6.0 install cdrom.
>How can I run the install program that is on the CDROM ?
>
>(I've partitionned my 10Go Hard Disk in two parts : one for Windows 98
>(yet installed) and another one for Linux)
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Sebastien

_IF_ you have a floppy drive, the install goes like this;

In Windows, access your cdrom and locate a file in /dosutils called
rawrite.exe, copy it to c:\ and do the same for boot.img in /images.

(while you are there, read all you can about the install procedure.)

Run rawrite and it will walk you through copying the image to a:
 
Boot with the floppy in the drive and it should start the install.

A major gotcha for an old machine is a bios limit of 1024 cylinders
to load the kernel. Make a small /boot partition, 8/10mb.

You really only need 3 partitions, /boot, swap and /.

If ram is limited, make a swap partition of at least 128mb, you may
or may not be able to create more.

Be sure to create a bootdisk when it asks you too, because that may
be the only way to boot up until you can get lilo installed.

Good Luck

-- 
unclebob icq 3347043 (see headers for e-mail)

"Sure, Bill Gates may have twenty-four billion dollars, 
"but is he happy? He IS?? AH, SHIT!!" {Dennis Miller}.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juergen Heinzl)
Subject: Re: Making mouse cursors invisible
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:38:19 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jay Freeman wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm developing a kiosk system using Redhat 6.1. It is a touch screen
>driven app that plays mpeg video files in fullscreen mode using mtvp. I
>really want the mouse cursor to go away! These machines aren't going to
>have mice attached to them anyway. I discovered that if I copy the nil2
>font file over the cursor font file (in usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc) that the
>cursor becomes a tiny little dot which is close enough to invisible to
>suit me. However, mtvp is getting a cursor from somewhere else and
>putting it right in the center of the screen every time a video starts.
>Any ideas on where it's coming from and how to get rid of it?

An application can create its own cursor via X functions like
XCreatePixmapCursor(3x). Since there is no mouse and so no mouse
position available the default is being used, which is the centre
of the screen.

So much for why .. passing the how on to someone else .. "aarggghhh"; yes,
I can see through you ;)

Could be the XForms library provides an option as mtv can pass options
on, but I've never used XForms.

Cheers,
Juergen

-- 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Unclebob)
Subject: Re: Prevent X autostart on RH 6.1
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:32:55 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On or about Wed, 22 Mar 2000 11:42:09 +1100
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 [....Posted....]

>Dear Sirs & Madams,
>
>I have only just go X to start at all but when it does (on startup of Linux)
>there is a box in the centre of screen and the locks PC locks up. I think it
>is because I have created a bad XF86config file by choosing incorrect
>settings in XF86Setup.
>Does anyone know how to start up Linux without the automatic starting of the
>X gui, considering that I cannot get into a character-mode login prompt at
>all now?
>Scott.

Madams??? oOo keigh.

Dig out your floppy with boot.img (or rawrite one) and reboot;
at the prompt, type;

Boot: vmlinuz 1 or 3 root=/dev/hdxx (use your / partition)

Edit /etc/inittab id:5:initdefault: change to 3.

-- 
unclebob icq 3347043 (see headers for e-mail)

"Sure, Bill Gates may have ninety-four billion dollars, 
"but is he happy? He IS?? AH, SHIT!!" {Dennis Miller}.
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From: Tony Houghton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi?
Date: 23 Mar 2000 00:06:21 GMT
Reply-To: Tony Houghton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

In <8bbenb$cvq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Matt Chiglinsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Copy/paste in emacs you don't like?  I'll have to admit one thing I
> don't like about vi that you can do in emacs is place a region mark in
> the middle of a line.  vi only allows you to yank words, whole lines,
> and groups of lines which isn't quite as precise as is sometimes
> needs.

You should try vim then, it has "visual" region selection, including
regions that span an arbitray amount of several lines, like in Emacs. I
also really like the good old vi functionality of being able to paste a
line with the cursor anywhere on the line above or below. Saves a lot of
time.

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From: Tony Houghton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi?  vi or vim?  Deathmatch!
Date: 23 Mar 2000 00:11:01 GMT
Reply-To: Tony Houghton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Corfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Tony Houghton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >                             [...]Or if there was a utility that
> > generated a .emacs file from a much simpler language dedicated to no
> > more or less than configuring a text editor (like vim's) and the
> > documentation for these options was easier to use.
> > 
> 
> M-x customize  (or customize off the menus if using XEmacs) may help.

ISTR using that in GNU Emacs. It's not a great improvement on hacking
.emacs IIRC, it has a tendency towards, "It's GUI therefore doesn't need
explaining."

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From: Tony Houghton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux,comp.editors,comp.unix.misc
Subject: Re: Do you hate vi?
Date: 23 Mar 2000 00:31:18 GMT
Reply-To: Tony Houghton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tim Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> My notebook died last night, probably terminally.

So has the correct^[db preferred version of your .sig separator
apparently :-(.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Philip Brown)
Crossposted-To: comp.infosystems.www.misc
Subject: looking for 'simple' proxy for unix
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Date: 23 Mar 2000 00:55:14 GMT

I'm looking for a 'simple' proxy for unix.
It should
   * NOT cache
   * Be highly reliable software
       (no need for dumb hacks like an auto-restarting loop)
   * Have minimal security like "only allow connections from 1.2.x.x"
   * Handle http, and SSL-tunneling proxies
   * Have an active, or at least interested, developer
   * Be free, and run under UNIX.

IDEALLY, it should also handle browser-ftp proxying.

The above criteria rule out squid, and the TIS "firewall toolkit".

Any other suggestions?

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