Linux-Misc Digest #99, Volume #24 Mon, 10 Apr 00 08:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: damn system clock will not stay "right" (J Bland)
Re: How to talk to the parallel port (Toby Jaffey)
Re: TV on Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How did the hacker get root access to my system? (Jonathan Moore)
Open socket for LPF: Invalid argument (dhcpd) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
NT and Linux ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: which flavour for a 486 (Andrew Williams)
Re: uninstalling stuff (Simon Brooke)
Re: Can't mount Win95 FAT32 (cll)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Johan Kullstam)
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: XPDF install on Corel Linux (Carl Fink)
Re: kill a zombie process (Steve)
Re: Sound Problem (Martijn Brouwer)
Re: Anyone have RH 6.2 i386 ISO yet? ("Klaus K�niger")
Re: StarOffice registration key (Koos Pol)
Re: EXT2 partition size limits? Still exist? (James Stevenson)
Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1] (James
Stevenson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: Re: damn system clock will not stay "right"
Date: 10 Apr 2000 10:11:41 GMT
>On 7 Apr 2000 15:53:43 GMT, Bill Unruh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>The linux clock is divorced from the bios clock. The bios clock is only
>>used to set the intial time on bootup. It is there that your problem
>>lies. You have changed something and your system is confused.
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>There is an exception if the system hass been sleeping for a while and
>the system clock hasn;t been updated. When the system is woken up
>it needs to set the clock from the RTC clock, and for this the kernel
>needs to know if the RTC clock is running UTC or local time.
>
>Therefore there is a kernel configuration paramter CONFIG_APM_RTC_IS_GMT
>which you can set when you re-compile the kernel.
Another way the system clock can get way out of sync is with older
machines/hard discs that don't have DMA or their interrupts enabled. Thrash
the system for a while in this situation and the clock becomes slow.
use hdparm /dev/hdX (for whichever device your hardisc is and see if either
are on).
May not be a problem on PCs but it was a complete bugger on my RiscPC until
I was told about the unmaskirq.
JB
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From: Toby Jaffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.programmer,comp.os.linux.development.apps
Subject: Re: How to talk to the parallel port
Date: 10 Apr 2000 10:16:28 GMT
In comp.unix.programmer Mohd-Hanafiah Abdullah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In Linux/UNIX how do I communicate with the parallel port. A sample or
> reference to a program that illustrates this function in C would be great.
See the IO-Port-Programming HOWTO,
http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/IO-Port-Programming.html
There is some example code at the end.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: TV on Linux
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:11:18 GMT
Find the linux documentation page.
Get the mini-how-to on bttv.
Follow the instructions, then xawtv should work.
Got to say I'm still having trouble with it, but if you look for the
subject wintv? on this forum you will find some of the replies that I've
got on this subject.
Duncan
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Andras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chus wrote:
> >
> > Hi, i'm trying to watch TV on Linux, but i'm having problems with
it. I
> > install the TV software, but when i try to execute it, it says that
it
> > can't find /dev/video. I've checked for the video device, and it's
Ok. What
> > is the problem?. How can i check the video device?. I'm completely
lost, so
> > any help would be great for me.
>
> You should load the video4linux module.
>
> (insmod videodev) and according to the type of the card that you have
> you also need other modules.
> If you have one based on the bt848 or bt878 chip then you would also
> need the i2c modul, and the bttv module.
> If that is the case I can give you webreferences for the above
modules.
>
> you should also set /etc/conf.modules accordingly.
>
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Jes�s Angel Hern�ndez
>
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From: Jonathan Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.2600,alt.linux,comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: How did the hacker get root access to my system?
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:20:52 +0100
> This little shit installed an IRC bot in a strange directory:
>
> /var/tmp/.../
>
> I've never seend a directory named "..." before, and interestingly it
> can not be listed using ls -al. Interesting little "feature." :-\
Which means he installed a new version of "ls" for exactly that purpose:
to stop you finding what he'd done. I've been attacked like this
before,
but not competently (since I discovered it). It's worth keeping a boot
floppy with known-good versions of essential utilities like ls, find,
etc.,
since a competent cracker will cover his tracks in this way.
Remember that /proc is not a "real" filesystem: it's a representation
of the current state of your machine which looks like a filesystem, but
doesn't actually reside on disk. 0-byte files and directories are
quite normal, as far as I'm aware, and I believe kcore is a file-like
interface to the contents of your machine's main memory, so its size
is a bit above the size of the memory you have installed.
Jon Moore
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Open socket for LPF: Invalid argument (dhcpd)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:21:26 GMT
Hello,
I am attempting to set up DHCPD (SuSE 6.1). Read the ManPage, searched
the HowTos and searched the SuSE support db. These documents have got
quite far, considering I am taking it one step at a time.
However /var/log/messages lists this error:
Open socket for LPF: Invalid argument
Bet I'm doing something silly. Any suggestions?
Thanks
--Paul Butterfield.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: NT and Linux
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:20:18 GMT
Hello there....
We run a NT network, recently I added a linux server and I was
wondering if it was possible to set up user accounts from the NT domain.
E.g. I don't want to sit and create 1500 accounts by hand!
(Reply by email if possible)
Thanx!!
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From: Andrew Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: which flavour for a 486
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:34:59 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Corel surprises me, Mandrake is set up for newer machines though.
Red Hat will run
SuSE (version 6.4 coming out in a day or so) as well.
One possible problem: how much memory does the beast have? Modern
distributions seem to need 16MB minimum, you will have problems with less.
Discs are less of a problem, if you do not have enough space then just buy a
new one - Linux only worries about bios limits on the boot partition: the
partition you boot from has to end below Cylinder 1023.
SuSE sets up a /boot partition automatically, with Red Hat you will probably
have to make sure that the /usr stuff gets it's own partition behind the root
filesystem.
Hope that is not too cryptic.
Dafydd Prichard wrote:
> I want to try out Linux on an old 486 (I 'normally' use Mac OS and a little
> Windows). I've tried both Corel and Mandrake and neither will install from
> the CDs I have as they don't appear to support 486s'. Is Slack the answer?
> Will I have any difficulty buying/downloading a compatible version? Pls
> advise many thanks
> >Daf
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: Re: uninstalling stuff
From: Simon Brooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 10:34:39 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robie Basak) writes:
> If you go to freshmeat.net and search for installwatch, it watches the
> file accesses an install does and writes a log (and even comes with a
> script that makes an entry into the rpm database so that you can
> uninstall it). I prefer it this way so I get finer control over goings
> on.
Thanks for that, that sounds useful!
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From: cll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Can't mount Win95 FAT32
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:54:30 +1200
brian moore wrote:
>
> On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 11:18:10 -0400,
> Sandhitsu R Das <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I have a prehistoric 2.0.31 kernel. The following (forged) session script
(snip)
> mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /dosc
>
> Unless you specify the partition in /etc/fstab, you should specify the
> fiesystem type to mount. From the mount man page:
>
> The type iso9660 is the default. If no -t option
> is given, or if the auto type is specified, the
> superblock is probed for the filesystem type
> (minix, ext, ext2, xiafs, iso9660, romfs ,ufs,
> ntfs, qnx4, bfs are supported). If this probe
> fails, mount will try to read the file
> /etc/filesystems, or, if that does not exist,
> /proc/filesystems. All of the filesystem types
> listed there will be tried, except for those that
> are labeled "nodev" (e.g., devpts, proc and nfs).
>
> Note that the fat and vfat file systems are -not- autoprobed by default.
>
AFAIK vfat is not supported properly by kernels < 2.0.34
Perhaps it is time to upgrade your "prehistoric" 2.0.31!!
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Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
From: Johan Kullstam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:01:44 GMT
David Steuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I can't think of a single innovation to come out of Microsoft. Not
> one. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to Microsoft's most important
> innovation?
what about bob?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:00:15 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Grant Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:kfJH4.1029$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 15:47:37 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Every company, which ever developed anything, will recuperate
>> >the cost of the R & D. Microsoft is not different in that
>> >respect.
>>
>> Except that they've never developed anything. Not anything new
>> anyway. MS products are mostly just bloated, crappy copies of
>> stuff other people invented.
>>
> That would explain why Windows OS has 90+ % of the market share.
No... MARKETTING would explain why windows has 90% Market share.
M$ isn't a software developer. It's a marketting company.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:00:15 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc btolder wrote:
> My point still stands, however, that companies budget more per year per
> employee for staples and post it notes than they do for Microsoft operating
> systems. Your cost argument means nothing.
All right then. Add in downtime due to reboots (as everyone else is).
And take into account the VAST difference between $30 (or even $0) for the
entire company vs $1500...
Then add in the cost of M$ TURD and other "standards"...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Carl Fink)
Subject: Re: XPDF install on Corel Linux
Date: 10 Apr 2000 10:39:50 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 06:48:28 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've just put in Corel Linux from an evaluation CD and am trying to
>install XPDF from my Redhat Ver 5.0 CD distribution. rpm seems to run on
>it OK.
Use the Debian package instead -- the apt install tool will
automatically meet all dependencies.
apt-get install xpdf
should be adeqate.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve)
Subject: Re: kill a zombie process
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 10 Apr 2000 12:12:05 GMT
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:07:20 +0200, Peet Grobler wrote:
>How would you go about killing a zombie process?
Zombies are already dead, and don't use memory or the cpu
(unless you're sitting there doing ps -aux every 100th of a
second). I found that logging out removes them from the lsit,
when I log in again they're gone.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Martijn Brouwer)
Subject: Re: Sound Problem
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 00 23:16:10 GMT
In article <8crg3o$l0p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, bigbinc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>It is an advance logic als 120, (cheap I know). Problem is I cant get
>it to play sounds through sndconfig. First it is not listed when I run
>sndconfig. I tried the als 100(which i assume is similar) and then I
>tried several differnt irq values and i/o and dma values then once
>sndconfig goes to play the sample sound I get an error usually
>/lib/modules/misc/2.2something/s????.o is not busy or not responding.
>I think I need help modifying my isapnp conf file. I have looked at it
>but I dont know what to change. If anybody has any ideas thanx.
>I really dont want to compile the kernel<shrug>
Maybe you should try ALSA for sound. I have also an ALS120 card, but did not
yet mannage to get sound, although I did not yet try very hard. ALSA is OSS
compatible and autodetects your IRQ/IO/DMA etc settings. I you succeed, please
tell me how. (I can load the modules, with the right settings, have unmuted
the card buI don't get sound.)
Succes,
Martijn
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From: "Klaus K�niger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat.install,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Anyone have RH 6.2 i386 ISO yet?
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:28:58 +0200
Try www.linuxiso.org !
Cheers
Klaus
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John Hovell schrieb in Nachricht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>Sorry if you guys think this post is inappropriate.
>
>But I know there are only like 10 or so mirrors internationally right
>now for RH 6.2 Zoot.
>
>Does anyone (perhaps on Internet2 -- that means you have .edu at the end
>of your domain -- as we have lots of bandwidth) who has it want to post
>it for downloads?
>
>i'd be happy to do the same once i am able to get a copy.
>
>I'm in the silicon valley area (south of sanfrancisco) if anyone is
>close to me from there... and I also have access to a 3000Kbps cable
>modem... so i dunno... if anyone is willing I think it might really help
>a lot of people out :-).
>
>Cheers,
>John
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Koos Pol)
Subject: Re: StarOffice registration key
Date: 10 Apr 2000 10:53:44 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:30:19 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I recently have StarOffice 5.1 installed to my Linux Mandrake 6.0 O/S.
| After 30 days trial, it asked for registration key. I went to sun website
| and was given a newsgroup to obtain the registration key. I followed the
| instruction to search for the newsgroup but could not find it. Does anyone
| know how to obtain the registration key for it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Stevenson)
Subject: Re: EXT2 partition size limits? Still exist?
Date: 10 Apr 2000 10:43:14 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi
17GB disk
split to
Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda1 381M 162M 199M 45% /
/dev/hda4 13G 12G 1.1G 92% /home
/dev/hda3 2.0G 1.4G 531M 72% /usr
been running since augest no problems
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:02:35 -0400, Richard F. Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My /home/ftp partition for my FTP Server is 9.2 GB
>and I have a 6 GB RAID 0 news spool
>Linux Mandrake 6.1 / 7.0 , no trouble...
>
>
>"Dances With Crows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 17:41:05 -0500, Brent A. Busby
>> <<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>> >I seem to remember a long time ago, there was a 2GB partition size
>> >limit for EXT2 filesystems. Is this still true?
>> >Just what are the limits for the size of a single partition today?
>> >For 2.2.x kernals? For 2.0.x kernals?
>>
>> The limit is now at 2T or 2048G. (granted, this large, you'll have a very
>> large block size, but few people need this much space atm.)
>> Unfortunately, on a 32-bit system, you're limited to a single file being
>> <= 2G. People have been working on this...
>>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James Stevenson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Date: 10 Apr 2000 10:41:56 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi
one of the things abotu windows that i would like answered is that M$ keep
saying that it runs faster eg win98 is faster than 95 and win2K is faster that BT4
i have found quite the oppistie i have a 486 that runs win95 ok runs word 95 fine
under 98 its like a dog and NT4 even worse i dont even think i will bother trying
win2K as somebody said you need a around a P300 to do anything with it and a whole
load of
ram but with linux you can use a 486 to do a whole lot of things at once and it works
and does not crash.
what M$ really need todo is almost scrap the whoel lot and start again
and do it properly (they can afford to)
and further down here i have also found that if you do anything in win9x/NT4 you
alsmost need to reboot.
as for the registry comments that are going on somebody should not have to
go though and clean it up it should not happen in the first place !!
anyone gueesedd that i hate M$ :)
cya
James
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:08:20 -0500, Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Jim Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:t8cI4.5516$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > NT seldom requires a reboot though for this. The software may tell you
>> to,
>> > but I've only found a few cases where it was required.
>>
>> I guess for you comment applies below that most users don't know the
>> difference and reboot when told to.
>
>Most users don't know much, if anything about the OS. Linux has the
>advantage that most of it's users are fairly knowledgeable about it. This
>is based entirely on the user base, and not related to the OS at all.
>
>> It does seem that problems usually do occur if I don't heed the advice to
>> reboot in my experience.
>
>I've seldom seen that.
>
>> > You've never had to do this with NT, despite that it told you to reboot.
>> > Windows 2000 doesn't even tell you to.
>>
>> That is an improvement.
>> Unfortunately I feel you must tell the bad of W2K to get the good.
>
>What is that supposed to mean?
>
>> > What they are trained to do, and what is required are two different
>> things.
>> > Most Linux users would probably reboot their machine if X crashed or
>> locked
>> > up rather than trying to telnet into it from another machine to kill the
>> > processes.
>>
>> I feel the past and current crop of Linux users are smart enough to solve
>> the problem short of rebooting.
>
>What's easier? Rebooting your machine, or going to another computer,
>logging in, connecting to your machine, etc.. what if your machine is set up
>to disallow remote logins for security reasons? Rebooting is an easy
>solution that doesn't require much work, and most users, even knoweldgeable
>ones will probably take that route unless there is some vital reason not to.
>
>> You are right in the future they might reboot due to their experience with
>> troubleshooting under Windows.
>
>Or due to the fact that they don't know how to do it.
>
>> Hopeful the word will get out that Linux is modular unlike Windows and
>> things can be restarted and contained well.
>
>If you jump through hoops and leave your system wide open.
>
>> > > Reason #4: Decreased performance. Over time, with heavy use, Windows
>> > systems
>> > > tend to slow down dramatically.
>> >
>> > Not if you maintain it properly. These are things you would generally
>do
>> in
>> > Unix as well. An example would be trimming or deleting log files (the
>> same
>> > as optimizing the registry). Granted that this is often automated by
>cron
>> > tasks, but there's no reason it can't be automated with windows as well.
>> > One step that you'll want to do with Windows is defragment, which isn't
>> > usually necessary for Linux (unless you run full drives and add and
>delete
>> > stuff a lot).
>> >
>> > Proper maintenance can keep a Win9x machine running as fast as the first
>> day
>> > you installed it.
>>
>>
>> That would require alot of work and software to do tell I think.
>> And still I think it only helps, it doesn't solve the problem.
>>
>> A good program to demonstrate this is Visual Basic, but I'm sure other
>> software would act this way as well.
>> With VB6, megabytes of stuff is added to the registry. In fact the VB
>> installer even resizes the maximum
>> registry size to allow that much information to be added.
>
>VB6 doesn't add megabytes. It adds a few dozen K or possibly 100k at most.
>And again, optimizing the registry cures the problem. Registry optimzation
>is rather easy as well. You can either use a program like Norton Utilities,
>or you can export the registry to text and reimport it.
>
>> As the registry grows, speed slows. I've heard of the Start Menu taking
>20
>> seconds to load on a PII system
>> after installing Visual Basic.
>
>Only if the registry were extremely fragmented.
>
>> Nothing short of not installing software will help due to the design of
>> Windows and Windows software, and the resulting
>> interaction. Note: this does not occur really in Linux.
>
>Untrue. As I've already said, if you do proper maintenance, it will act as
>fast as the day you installed it, without reinstalling anything. Of course
>adding a bunch of programs that hook themselves into the OS will slow you
>down. Shell extensions are a good one for this, and lots of people add
>them. A poorly written shell extension can make your system seem quite
>slow. Writing Gnome or KDE extensions can do the same.
>
>> > This seldom happens under NT. If one hangs, you can kill it from a
>> command
>> > prompt. I've never had it happen with Windows 2000.
>>
>> It happens more than seldom for me.
>> Not alot, but not seldom.
>> If I install apps into NT, it's worse.
>> If I use NT alot, it's worse.
>
>Such as? Have you tried going to a command prompt and net stopping the
>service?
>
>> I believe it has been shown in both Linux and NT (W2K maybe too) that a
>> program can be written to hang a system easily.
>
>Yes, it's possible in both systems.
>
>> > Something which no longer happens with Windows 2000.
>>
>> They sort of sold their soul on that one trading of compatibility.
>> It will be interesting if File Protection in W2K can force windows
>> developers to adopt good coding practices like not changing the
>> underlying OS.
>
>Win2k has lost very little compatibility, though some classes of programs
>are less compatible than others. Device drivers are a big instance, due to
>Win2k's new device driver model. Other low-level programs like virus
>scanners also are effected. Other than those two classes, i've never had a
>program not work under Win2k that would work under NT 4, and tons of
>programs that did work under Win2k but would not work under NT4.
>
>> Doing that should be offlimits to most programs.
>> Assuming that a reboot after installing new software is insane.
>
>A common technique of install programs is to install a service or driver,
>setting it to start automatically and then forcing a reboot. This is easier
>than writing the code to restart the service after it's installed. This is
>pure laziness on the part of the developer, and unneccesary for the user to
>have to restart the computer. They could simply open the services panel and
>start the service.
>
>> Windows 2000 has improved things.
>
>Yes, it has.
>
>> Unfortunately there are some nasties associated with it I believe are
>quite
>> painful.
>
>Such as?
>
>> I feel Microsoft has finally hit the limit where they can't produce what I
>> consider to be a better OS on the whole.
>> New features when I don't want them (and bugs for free),
>incompatibilities,
>> etc.
>
>If you don't want the new features, then don't upgrade or turn them off.
>
>> Linux isn't ready as a desktop to me either.
>> I do think Linux/RedHat has potiental so I'm willing to wait a few
>versions
>> for it to improve.
>> Hopeful in the mean time more compaies will come around like Quicken,
>Intuit
>> and support Linux.
>
>Perhaps, but Quicken's entire business model is based on an integrated
>browser in the OS. It would be tough for them to port Linux.
>
>
>
>
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