Linux-Misc Digest #99, Volume #27 Tue, 13 Feb 01 08:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Copying from Gnome Terminal w. PS2 mouse? (Drew Roedersheimer)
Re: netcrap locks me up (Drew Roedersheimer)
Re: The "which" command (Drew Roedersheimer)
which distro ("Big Al in Seattle")
Re: which distro (Drew Roedersheimer)
Re: Indrema fan site ("Adam Warner")
Re: extracting tar.Z (Paul Kimoto)
Re: crash because SCSI device is off?? (Claus Atzenbeck)
Re: Mail for dummies. (David Efflandt)
Offsite backup (Michael Yuen)
Re: O'Reilly: SSH book published (Theo de Raadt)
ksh script problem: pwd works differently for ksh then linux binary file (Shai Kedem)
Can't delete file (Eric Ho)
Re: Linux Sucks... well not really (Richard Steiner)
Re: uudecoder (Thomas Dickey)
Re: LILO: Two versions of RH. Two different hardrives. How? (Stanislaw Flatto)
Verify crontab, please (Robert Jones)
Re: Tips from Compaq/Linux users? ("/dev/null")
Re: Verify crontab, please ("Peter T. Breuer")
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drew Roedersheimer)
Subject: Re: Copying from Gnome Terminal w. PS2 mouse?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 05:20:06 GMT
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:03:20 GMT, jujubeesRULE wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> I'm running RH6.2 with a Helix Gnome update from a few months back.
>> Occasionally I wish to copy stuff from the Gnome Terminal to a text
>> editor (usually Gedit or whatever). I can highlight a line with the
>> mouse (left button), but obviously I can't use Ctrl-C to put it in the
>> copy buffer (that being a different terminal command in itself) and
>> paste it to the editor with Ctrl-V.
>>
>> The docs say that the left button will automatically place anything
>> highlighted with the left-button into the copy buffer to be pasted, but
>> only with a standard 3-button mouse. Is there any workaround for a
>> 2-button PS2 mouse for this? Thanks.
The left button still places highlighted text into the copy buffer, regardless
of the number of buttons. The real question is how to paste - (see below)...
>
>I used to copy-n-paste with a 2-button mouse successfully with the emulate
>3 button option in XF86Config.
Assuming you have the emulate 3 button option set in XF86Config, you simply
click both the left and right buttons simultaneously to do the paste...
HTH
-Drew
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drew Roedersheimer)
Subject: Re: netcrap locks me up
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 05:37:36 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:12:46 -0800, The Real Bev wrote:
>Chris Webster wrote:
>>
>> john connolly wrote:
>> >
>> > Occasionally, when using netscape 4.7x on a slackware7.0 (xfree 3.6xx)
>> > system and kde2.?? my cpu (celeron 400) usage goes up to nearly 100% and
>> > stays there and the only way to recover is to kill netscape. This has
>> > happened any number of times in navigator when visiting web sites and
>> > once in a while in communicator using the local road runner news server.
>> > Any ideas about this?
>>
>> Happens to me 3-6 times a day, along with 3-6 crashes a day. A while
>> back I'd heard something about Java problems.
>
>Yup. Sometimes it happens when I'm just reading my email, too.
>Occasionally it will kill X. Some of us are lazier than others and use
>something like this...
>
>alias killnet='rm -f /root/.netscape/lock;killall -9 netscape'
>
>--
>Cheers,
>Bev
>***********************************************
>"A complete lack of evidence is the surest sign
> that the conspiracy is working." -- Tanuki
Bev and I share the same trait of laziness. Nonetheless, here's my measly,
lousy $0.02 that most people would rather not hear:
1) I use an alarmingly similar alias for the same aggrevation:
alias killnet='rm -f $HOME/.netscape/lock;
killall -KILL netscape'
Since I can't even run netscape (IMHO, a fantastic idea) as root on my Debian
system...
2) <shameless plug>
I've had netscape crash on me too many times while reading/writing email
that I've abandoned the steaming pile for my new favorite MUA -> mutt
</shameless plug>
3) This is just a great example of the stability of Linux - the same type of
application crash would send most versions of Windows BLAH south faster than
a lead baloon...
Enough of my ramblings
-DR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drew Roedersheimer)
Subject: Re: The "which" command
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 05:40:00 GMT
On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:54:37 -0500, Thread wrote:
>Yikes! Don't sweat the which command. I don't know what a which rpm will
>have in it, but you can just make a little bash script that looks like this:
>
>#!/bin/sh
>type -path $1
>
>chmod +x it, put it in yer path (say, /usr/bin), and you'll be all set.
>
>Thread
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:964mfp$h26$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>>
>> What package contains the "which" command? I did a Linux From
>> Scratch install, and it wasn't included. And I can't do a web search for
>> it because Google rejects the word "which" because it's so common. Very
>> frustrating.
>
>
Almost like the Perl mantra: There's More Than One Way To Do It... =)
-DR
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From: "Big Al in Seattle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: which distro
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 05:20:16 GMT
I have a question that I have not seen answer to. I have a variety of
systems, 486s P100, Mac. Should I use one distr. for all systems or use a
different one depending on what will run the best. I have quite a few disks
around, but getting them working is a matter of time and space.
Any ideas on this?
Big Al in Seattle
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Drew Roedersheimer)
Subject: Re: which distro
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 05:55:20 GMT
On Tue, 13 Feb 2001 05:20:16 GMT, Big Al in Seattle wrote:
>I have a question that I have not seen answer to. I have a variety of
>systems, 486s P100, Mac. Should I use one distr. for all systems or use a
>different one depending on what will run the best. I have quite a few disks
>around, but getting them working is a matter of time and space.
>
>Any ideas on this?
>
>Big Al in Seattle
>
>
Personally, I would use the same distro on all the machines since it would
make maintaining all of them easier. (i.e. Some distros use a variety of
GUI administration tools, while others don't offer these same apps for
manipulating the internals (a better scheme for learning, obviously)).
With that said, it really won't matter much if you do use different distros
across the machines since many of the applications you use are, many times,
*nix independent (e.g. Most of the GNU tools will run happily on Linux,
Solaris, BSD, etc) - not to mention Linux distribution independent...
Distribution rarely comes into play, except in configuration terms.
HTH
-Drew
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Indrema fan site
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:30:23 GMT
Hi William,
> I've created a fan site dedicated to the upcoming
> "Indrema Entertainment System," a Linux-based game console with many
> home entertainment features (DVD player, MP3 support, TiVo-like features).
<snip>
> http://www.newbreedsoftware.com/bill/indrema/
Nice site William. Your Indrema in the news page indicates how much work you
have put into the site.
I hope the console is successful. I wonder whether it will be able to be put
to other uses, such as a server, firewall, router, etc. ;-)
I'm sorry you received such a rude response.
Best wishes,
Adam
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto)
Subject: Re: extracting tar.Z
Date: 13 Feb 2001 01:34:14 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, D. Stimits wrote:
> wksl wrote:
>> How can I extracting tar.Z file for my RedHat 7.0? What is the command
>> should I used to extract tar.Z file?
> .Z is an old compression from the earliest of UNIX days. For that,
> "uncompress". tar is just the archive mechanism to pack multiple files
> into a single file. You could use uncompress first, and end up with just
> a .tar file, then untar. Or you can pipe and keep the original
> compressed. There are also command line switches to tar to do it
> on-the-fly. The more indirect means that leaves the original compressed
> to save spaced:
> uncompress < filename.tar.Z | tar xvf -
g(un)zip understands the "compress" format, so you can treat any .Z file
like a .gz file. Hence,
$ tar zxvf filename.tar.Z
or equivalently
$ gunzip < filename.tar.Z | tar xvf -
(This has the advantage that no "uncompress" program is needed. In fact,
on my Debian system, /bin/uncompress is *the same file* as /bin/gunzip.)
--
Paul Kimoto
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and may be a violation of international copyright law.
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From: Claus Atzenbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: crash because SCSI device is off??
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:43:44 +0100
Robert Heller wrote on 12 Feb 2001 18:14:24 -0600:
> It depends on what happens with the external devices and how they are
> wired. I am not really sure what a non-terminating Zip drive does WRT
> its two connectors when it is powered off. This *may* cause problems.
> If you have mounted partitions on the hard drive and it is powered down,
> the system won't be happy.
When I turn on my hard drive, the ZIP is also turnd on. The point is just
when my external SCSI devices are both turnd *off* (ZIP *and* hard drive)
and the termination, which is right behind my hard drive, gets power from
the bus (a green lamp is on). The question is if this could cause the
system freezes. Hm...
Claus.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Mail for dummies.
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 08:39:03 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 12 Feb, Thaddeus L Olczyk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Two things:
>1) I would like to change the way I handle email, but
> I have a ton of email in a proprietary email client
> ( Forte' Agent ) that I do not believe I can convert.
> I have one idea of a way of converting, forward the
> mail to myself. The problem is that then the email
> becomes useless because it does not "display" the
> original headers ( they probably appear in the message
> but not in the From, and Subject when I browse my email ).
> Is there someway I can read them and strip the "wrapping"
> headers?
Forteinc does have programs to convert Eudora or Pegasas to Unix format
that can be imported by Agent, but I have not used Agent for awhile, so I
do not know if they have any export function or what format they use.
Just for the fun of it, you might try copying your e-mail file to Linux
and see if 'pine' can read it "as is".
>2) I am generally not that familiar with email ( I know the basics,
> there are protocols pop3, smtp etc. but that's about it ). Is
> there some link that describes the components of an email system
> (MTA, MDA etc. ) well enough for a guy like me to figure it out
> well enough to setupmy own one/two person system?
I use sendmail for smtp (http://www.sendmail.org/), and fetchmail to grab
pop3 mail from my ISP and hand it off to sendmail for local delivery.
But that was easy because I have an internet hostname for my static ppp
IP. If you have a dynamic IP, you will either have to relay your mail to
your ISP's server, or masquerade as a real host (in server configuration).
Or if all else fails, simply point your mail client at your ISP's smtp and
pop3 servers.
'postfix' is another smtp server that I could not get to work at
all (I think it uses DNS only instead of /etc/hosts). Some people like
'qmail'.
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Yuen)
Subject: Offsite backup
Date: 13 Feb 2001 08:54:39 GMT
With all the available off site backups out there (ie: X: Drive). Does
anyone know of one that allows the Administrator to set a time (ie: every
Sunday at 4am) to automatically backup via Internet connection.
Thanks,
Mike
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Crossposted-To: comp.security.ssh
Subject: Re: O'Reilly: SSH book published
From: Theo de Raadt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 13 Feb 2001 01:22:10 -0800
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark Post) writes:
> On 12 Feb 2001 19:22:58 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dustin Puryear) wrote:
>
> >"Richard E. Silverman" wrote:
> >>
> >> >>>>> "Dustin" == Dustin Puryear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> Dustin> I don't normally do this, but..
> >> Dustin> Product announcements are WAY off-topic in comp.os.linux.misc.
> >>
> >> Announcing the release of a technical book on a piece of software shipped
> >> with most Linux distributions seems relevant enough to me. Thanks for
> >> your opinion, though. To date, you are the only person who has expressed
> >> this to us.
> >
> >So it would be all right for O'Reilly, Prima, SAMS, and others to post new
> >releases to comp.os.linux.misc? I don't think so. Take it to
> >comp.os.linux.announce, not comp.os.linux.misc. Now, if your book is free
> >and available on the web that is another matter.
>
> Since Mr. Silverman seems to think that numbers matter, then I'll add my
> voice to Dustin's. Please don't spam Usenet with commercial announcements
> of new book publications. That is what comp.os.linux.announce is for. Does
> that make you feel better now that it's more than one person? I'll even
> echo his sentiment about freely available on-line stuff. That is acceptable
> to me also, for announcement in something other than c.o.l.announce.
Let me turn that around.
Please do not turn bitch-sessions about something into full on posts to
lots of other mailing lists.
We really don't care. We really are not going to lose sleep about it.
You just want to start a flame war. It let's you sleep easier, knowing
you have irritated more people than were originally irritated, right?
It sure feels great to be right -- and know the world agrees -- about
something as world inpiringly irrelevant as a newsgroup, right?
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From: Shai Kedem <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ksh script problem: pwd works differently for ksh then linux binary file
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 09:30:26 -0000
Hi,
I have a pdksh installed on Linux RedHat 6.2.
>From an interactive shell, when I type pwd in a directory which is a link,
I get the directory name (not hte one linked to), as I expect.
When /bin/pwd is run, I get the linked directory name !
from a ksh script, it seems it will always run /bin/pwd for pwd rather
then the ksh implementation.
Any one knows how to override this problems in ksh scripts to it will run
the pwd of the ksh command ?
thanks,
Shai
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: Eric Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Can't delete file
Date: 13 Feb 2001 09:41:57 GMT
Hi,
I am trying to delete a file, but got this error :
bash-2.03# rm plusnode.gif
rm: cannot remove `plusnode.gif': Value too large for defined data type
bash-2.03#
Can someone tell me how to delete it ?
Best Regards,
Eric Ho
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks... well not really
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 04:24:22 -0600
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Oliver Battenfeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>> so i find myself with asking why is our OS
>> handicapped when it comes to browsers...
>
>Got KDE installed ? Konqueror is an excellent alternative.
As are text-mode browsers like Links and Lynx, at least for certain
types of browsing.
--
-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Eden Prairie, MN
OS/2 + BeOS + Linux + Solaris + Win95 + WinNT4 + FreeBSD + DOS
+ PC/GEOS + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
If in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream & shout.
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From: Thomas Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: uudecoder
Date: 13 Feb 2001 10:58:32 GMT
Mladen Gavrilovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all, I'm trying to decode some binaries that I downloaded from a
> newsgroup.
> They are UUencoded and named 1262216.uue to 1262401.uue, with numbers in
> between missing (i.e. the names don't go 1262216.uue, 1262217.uue,
> 1262218.uue, but 1262216.uue1262219.uue, 1262223.uue, etc.).
> There are 66 files in all, and they should make a rar archive (.r11) in
> the end. The program that would normally decode them (NewsShark in
> Windows) couldn't do it because they were posted under individual
> headers, not as one header with 66 parts.
> I've tried making a tar file of the files and then uudecoding that with
> uudecode, which gave me an .r11? because there was "no end line". If I
> rename the file to .r11 and run a check on it, it has a CRC error (it's
> about 60K bigger than all the other volumes). The same thing happens if
> I try to paste the files together with cat.
> Does anyone have any ideas on how I might decode these?
uudeview usually does a good job on things like this.
--
Thomas E. Dickey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
http://dickey.his.com
ftp://dickey.his.com
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From: Stanislaw Flatto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: LILO: Two versions of RH. Two different hardrives. How?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 22:21:00 +1100
Lyndon Bartels wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I want to be able to dual-boot my linux box.. but with a twist.
>
> I want to run it with two versions of RedHat.
>
Simple.
Your first distribution installed (lets call it A) has LILOA in mbr and
boots its kernel by default.
Your second distribution B, usually finds the swap and will use it, should
have its LILOB on the partition, configured to boot kernelB and initialise
the whole distribution.
LILOA should present a menu where you can choose to activate LILOB.
The stanca should look like this:
other=/dev/sdxx #partition where distribution B resides
unsafe # read man lilo and man lilo.conf
LILOB does not need waiting period or menu selections, although a message
saying "Now booting distribution B" may be nice if useless.
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Lyndon
Welcome.
Stanislaw.
Slack user from Ulladulla.
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From: Robert Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Verify crontab, please
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 06:35:38 -0600
Because of some hardware problems involving my tape drive, I screwed
around with crontab quite a bit in the past few days. With everything
fixed, I decided to remove the extra entries in crontab. I was surprised
to find they're already gone, along with the one I wanted to keep.
That's no problem; it's just a matter of doing it again. What bothers me
is an entry that I don't remember seeing before. Could someone verify
this should be in RH6.0?
[root@localhost rj]# crontab -l
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
# (/tmp/crontab.20475 installed on Tue Feb 13 06:00:08 2001)
# (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp
$)
*/5 * * * * /usr/sbin/init
Looks like I'm running init every 12 seconds.
Thanks
--
It is better to live rich than to die rich.
-- Samuel Johnson
6:06am up 2 days, 13:58, 2 users, load average: 0.10, 0.12, 0.07
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From: "/dev/null" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux,alt.os.linux.suse
Subject: Re: Tips from Compaq/Linux users?
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 12:55:15 -0000
I have SuSE 7.0 on an old Compaq Desk PRO somthing or other.. Built in
Network card and SCSI adapter. all working beutifully..
--
Andy
Host/Webmaster to http://www.madh0use.net
PAL - Public Access Linux Project
ICQ - 68402991
***Remove NOSPAM to reply from news groups***
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I installed RH 6.2 on my 4122. Only problems I had were drivers for
> some after-purchase add on devices.
>
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 20:39:28 -0500, net name
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Just got done reading a rather lengthy thread on the troubles people
> >have using other than OEM os's with compaqs. I know compaq is a junk
> >machine, especially the presarios, but I am stuck with mine for now.
> >
> >Has anyone successfully used linux on a presario 1610? If so,
> >what flavor of linux was it? Any tips on the install? For someone on
> >a budget with one of these presario dinosaurs, a slow hard drive and
> >only 16MB ram, what version of linux would you suggest. Or, should
> >I just forget about it and stick with that other piece of crap, windoze?
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
>
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Verify crontab, please
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 13:49:48 +0100
Robert Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [root@localhost rj]# crontab -l
> # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE - edit the master and reinstall.
> # (/tmp/crontab.20475 installed on Tue Feb 13 06:00:08 2001)
> # (Cron version -- $Id: crontab.c,v 2.13 1994/01/17 03:20:37 vixie Exp
> $)
> */5 * * * * /usr/sbin/init
> Looks like I'm running init every 12 seconds.
man cron/crontab. That's not every 5 seconds!
It is curious, through. Man init for more info. It should have an
argument, possibly "q".
Peter
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