Linux-Misc Digest #139, Volume #24               Thu, 13 Apr 00 13:13:05 EDT

Contents:
  Re: How many files? (Bastian)
  Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
  system time has changed with no reason (Yongfeng Luo)
  Cd writing problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Cd writing problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: MySQL question (Lincoln Yeoh)
  Re: Cd writing problem (Andreas Kahari)
  Re: Bootdisks, rdev, and root filesystems...aargh! ("Viktor Shamov")
  Re: monitoring users ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (David McKee)
  Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation (Bob Hauck)
  Re: system time has changed with no reason (jose)
  New Folder in KFM - permissions (J Bland)
  HELP: HotJava browser on Linux - keystrokes in applets (Stephen Cornell)
  Re: Netscape and newsgroups ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Sendmail refuses connection ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: gated/routed/f#ckd (Raul Trujillo)
  The Partitioning of a 30 Gig Hard Drive (brancht)
  Re: What the heck is linux doing? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Cd writing problem (Dances With Crows)
  Anaconda Setup hangs (sparq49)
  Re: system time has changed with no reason (Bill Unruh)
  Re: The Partitioning of a 30 Gig Hard Drive (Dances With Crows)

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bastian)
Subject: Re: How many files?
Date: 13 Apr 2000 15:13:14 GMT

On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:57:43 -0400, Ron wrote:
>Does anyone know how many files can be stored in a single 
>directory in the linux ext2 file system?
>
>Ron

Presumably as many as you have inodes on the drive (a few less). Check out
   df -i

Bastian



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.os.linux.redhat
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 has 63,000 bugs - Win2k.html [0/1] - Win2k.html [0/1]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:15:34 GMT

On 10 Apr 2000 10:41:56 GMT, James Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>what M$ really need todo is almost scrap the whoel lot and start again
>and do it properly (they can afford to)
>

They supposidly did w/ NT.  The problem is that their architects are
morons.


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From: Yongfeng Luo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.,comp.security.unix,comp.os.linux.security,com.security.misc
Subject: system time has changed with no reason
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:12:45 -0400

My linux rh6.1's system time changed with no reason. Do you have any
clue to investigate it why? Which log file could i review?

best regards

yongfeng luo




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cd writing problem
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:13:05 GMT

I have a problem with writing a cd with debian.
i have a hp cdwriter of HP (9110i) (ide), when i enter the following
command: cdrecord -checkdrive dev=hcd it return a error message like:
WARNING: device not valid, trying to use default target...
scsidev: 'hcd'
scsibus: 0 target: 6 lun:0
cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD-Recorder
cdrecord: Success. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: fatal error

I know that the writer isn't scsi but i have read that ide is compatible
to.

Do i something wrong ? Or is there another program to make cd's with
linux ? I had made disk images with mkisofs succesfully....

Lot of thanks in advance.

Daans


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Cd writing problem
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:13:07 GMT

I have a problem with writing a cd with debian.
i have a hp cdwriter of HP (9110i) (ide), when i enter the following
command: cdrecord -checkdrive dev=hcd it return a error message like:
WARNING: device not valid, trying to use default target...
scsidev: 'hcd'
scsibus: 0 target: 6 lun:0
cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD-Recorder
cdrecord: Success. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: fatal error

I know that the writer isn't scsi but i have read that ide is compatible
to.

Do i something wrong ? Or is there another program to make cd's with
linux ? I had made disk images with mkisofs succesfully....

Lot of thanks in advance.

Daans


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lincoln Yeoh)
Subject: Re: MySQL question
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:26:05 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On 7 Apr 2000 04:09:11 GMT, Patrick M. Geahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I've managed to forget the password for the root account to mySQL on my
>Linux box.  SInce I don't have much on there yet, I'm planning to simply
>wipe the databases I've already created and start a fresh install.

There should be something to help you on www.mysql.com

MySQL website documentation is pretty good.

Just did a search for password on
http://www.mysql.com/php/manual.php3

And found:
http://www.mysql.com/php/manual.php3?section=Resetting_permissions

Easy huh? Now when did they put that search in - cool! Been a while since I
checked their site.

Cheerio,

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From: Andreas Kahari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Cd writing problem
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:22:03 GMT



The CD is usually called '/dev/hdc', or even '/dev/cdrom'.

Try "dev=hdc" or "dev=cdrom" or "dev=/dev/hdc" etc. (I've never used
that program).


/A

In article <8d4o5j$iai$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a problem with writing a cd with debian.
> i have a hp cdwriter of HP (9110i) (ide), when i enter the following
> command: cdrecord -checkdrive dev=hcd it return a error message like:
> WARNING: device not valid, trying to use default target...
> scsidev: 'hcd'
> scsibus: 0 target: 6 lun:0
> cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD-Recorder
> cdrecord: Success. test unit ready: scsi sendcmd: fatal error
>
> I know that the writer isn't scsi but i have read that ide is
compatible
> to.
>
> Do i something wrong ? Or is there another program to make cd's with
> linux ? I had made disk images with mkisofs succesfully....
>
> Lot of thanks in advance.
>
> Daans
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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>

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From: "Viktor Shamov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Bootdisks, rdev, and root filesystems...aargh!
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:25:57 +0400


Anders Larsen ����� � ��������� <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ...
>bob smith wrote:
>>
>> Take a look at this how-to, linux from scratch how-to, found at:
>> http://www.linuxdocs.org/LDP/LGissue49/misc/beekmans/LFS-HOWTO.html
>> Really great.
>
>Not that great, after all.
>"DNS: Domain 'www.linuxdocs.org' is invalid: Host not found
(authoritative)."
>
ftp://ftp.chg.ru/.5/Linux/redhat/redhat-6.2/doc/HOWTOS/other-formats/html/LF
S-HOWTO-html/LFS-HOWTO.html



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: monitoring users
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:25:49 GMT

Thanks!  I'll try it out.

City


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David McKee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Date: 13 Apr 2000 15:47:40 GMT

Otto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: 
: "petilon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
: > "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Comparing cost of Linux distros to Windows]
: >
: > Linux is a free product. Try to get that into your head. I bought
: > my copy of Redhat for $2 from www.cheapbytes.com and with that
: > $2 investment I can install the OS on a thousand machines if I
: > want to. Legally.
: 
: Linux is not a free product, you try to get that into your head. Have you
: walked into CompUSA and looked at the prices lately? I didn't think so.
: You didn't even buy your copy for $2 @cheapbytes, conveniently forgot to
: mention the shipping cost. So, you paid $7, which is NOT free. You don't
: want me to quote the definition of free, do you?
: I burn my own CDs for Linux from ISO images, even that is not free.

Point of fact:

Linux _is_ free.

The GNU tools and other open source software than make GNU/Linux a
usable platform _are_ free.

No one is charging you a cent for the software: they may be charging
you many dollars for convienance factor, media, hardcopy documentation,
support services, or the line access that you use to get the data, but
that is not a charge for the software, and it is your choice and your
problem.

Nor is the fact that you have to choke up your own resources to store
the data provided to you for free much of a suprise to me.

My first linux installation was a test case installed from a borrowed
CD.  I didn't pay anything for it. Nothing. It was free, and it was 
legal.



We now return you to your regularly schedualed rant.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Subject: Re: How Microsoft inhibits competition & innovation
Reply-To: hauck[at]codem{dot}com
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:06:57 GMT

On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:00:13 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>You can go out and buy a Chevy engine from a junk yard.  That, ipso
>facto, shows that it is a separate product.  However, you're not going to
>be able to buy it from General Motors.

Actually, you can buy just engines, just cylinder heads, just blocks, just
wheels, just fenders, and lots of other stuff from GM.  They call these
"spare parts".  Owning a GM vehicle is not a prerequisite to buying the
parts.

Another bad car analogy.

-- 
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 -| Codem Systems, Inc.
 -| http://www.codem.com/

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From: jose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.,comp.security.unix,comp.os.linux.security,com.security.misc
Subject: Re: system time has changed with no reason
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:05:09 -0400

Yongfeng Luo wrote:

> My linux rh6.1's system time changed with no reason. Do you have any
> clue to investigate it why? Which log file could i review?

are you running any time daemons? is your BIOS set for DST changes?

jose nazario                    [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (J Bland)
Subject: New Folder in KFM - permissions
Date: 13 Apr 2000 16:12:39 GMT

Hi,

I have spotted that when you choose "New Folder" from KFM's menu the
directory it creates is with the following permissions, *always*:

drwx------

ie only that user can access the directory or anything in it. On a machine
where people like to share data between users this a right royal pain in the
arse. Anybody know a way to make KFM follow the permissions set by umask
(iirc)?

JB

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From: Stephen Cornell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.machine
Subject: HELP: HotJava browser on Linux - keystrokes in applets
Date: 13 Apr 2000 17:17:13 +0100

I'm not sure if these are the appropriate group to ask this question,
but here goes: 

Being fed up with Netscape's behaviour with Java, I'm trying out the
HotJava browser 3.0 on Linux, using both the Blackdown JDK 1.1.6 and
the IBM 1.1.8 JREs.  The browser installs and runs (albeit slowly),
except for some strange behaviour on pages that downlad applets.
Specifically, if I download Java crosswords, e.g.

http://www2.telegraph.co.uk/etcross/outputXword.cgi?ac=0013991532&serial=23092
http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/crossword/java/1,5341,2039,00.html

the applet loads and appears to run, and responds to Mouse clicks, but
does not accept any text entered from the keyboard.

The same applets run fine with IE, and normally run under Netscape
(until it freezes...)

Does anyone know what might be causing this problem, and whether it is
fixable?
--
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Netscape and newsgroups
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:18:01 -0400

SamIam wrote:
> 
> Try upgrading to a more recent version.  I'm currently running 4.71 and
> it seems pretty stable, although crashes are still there.
> 
> Thats one of my biggest complaints with Linux.  The web browsing
> experience is very subpar especially with an unstable browser.
> Hopefully, Mozilla will be much improved.  I'm currently trying out the
> pre-release of Netscape 6.0 and I like it except for the memory leaks.
> But those should be fixed by the release version.
> 

PMFJI, but Netscape later versions from what I can tell add no features
and seem to add additional bugs (or at least shift them around).

I just upgraded from 4.6 to 4.72 and now it acts very peculiar. (I was
actually OK with 4.6, but I upgraded my RH 5.2 to 6.2 and it installed
4.72 netscape.)

If I try to do a "Mark All Read" command in a newsgroup, for example, it
doesn't update the display. If I exit the newsgroup and go back in, then
they are all marked read as I had requested. I didn't have this problem
with 4.6. I've also noticed 4.72 sometimes closes other netscape windows
when I just want to close one of them. For example, I'll be in the
browser, decide to check newsgroups by clicking the newsgroup tool bar
button, then open one of the newsgroups in messenger. If I close the
newsgroup list, it closes all my nestcape windows (doh!). Then I have to
start all over again.

That's been my 4.72 experience so far, anyway. Maybe not typical.

-- 
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mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: hk.comp.os.linux,mail.sun-managers,alt.linux
Subject: Sendmail refuses connection
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:06:23 GMT

Could you kindly share your experience with me?
I have some questions about sendmail on a DEC Unix server.

Why would sendmail stoped accept connections?
I was wondering how to force sendmail to start accepting connections
again.

I look forward to hearing from you. Thank you.

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From: Raul Trujillo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: gated/routed/f#ckd
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:26:15 GMT

Can you ping the outside (the internet) with ip addresses?  If you could, then
it might just be a DNS problem.  Try putting your DNS:

vi /etc/resolv.conf

#it should look something like:
search localdomain
nameserver 123.45.678.45 # put your ip address here
nameserver 123.45.678.46 # put your ip address here

Not an expert in Linux, but had a similiar problem.


"R�M$T@R" wrote:

> This is the problem: my Linux (Redhat 6.0) box cannot see the internet
> world.
>
> This is the setup: Linux client.  NT server, and several Win98 clients.
> NT is the gateway.  The win98 boxes connect to the NT box for the interent.
> The linux box can see the NT box.
>
> This is the output of route:
>
> Destination     Gateway         Genmask         Flags Metric Ref    Use
> Iface
> 192.168.100.8   *               255.255.255.255 UH    0      0        0 eth0
> 192.168.100.0   *               255.255.255.0   U     0      0        0 eth0
> 127.0.0.0       *               255.0.0.0       U     0      0        0 lo
> default         shark_nt           0.0.0.0         UG    0      0        0
> eth0
>
> I can ping back and forth between the NT box and the win98 boxes and Linux,
> I've even got samba working so that the win98 boxes can read/write the linux
> box - BUT linux *cannot* ping the internet.
>
> The /etc/hosts file has the nt box and the ip, and resolve.conf looks like:
> domain 192.168.100.1
> nameserver 192.168.100.1
>
> I'm sure that I'm only missing something small, but everywhere I look I
> can't see any solution...PLEASE HELP ME!!!!
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Remy.


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From: brancht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The Partitioning of a 30 Gig Hard Drive
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:30:14 GMT

I am having problem installing on Linux on my nicely partitioned 30 Gig
Maxtor hard drive. When ever I attempt to create the '/boot' selection or 
boot partition I receive the proverbial message indicating that I am 
attempting create a boot selection on an area of the hard drive greater 
than cylinder 1024 and it will simply not allow that.
I was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem and has any insight 
to solving this problem. 
I would like to have Linux and Windows98 running on this machine, with
each OS having roughly having 15 Gigs each. 
I have done this many times before with hard drives that had capacities of
8.4 and less with no problems.
The Linux distribution that I am attempting to install is Mandrake Linux 
7.0
I would really appreciate any and all help

Stonel

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What the heck is linux doing?
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:18:54 GMT

To my understanding, on a big endian machine a number is stored "as is", ie. 
for a 32-bit number 2135247942 which is made up of 4 four bytes: 7f45 4c46, the
machine stores it in memory exactly this way, with 7f at the "high" end, and
45 at the "low" end( similarly, 4c at high end and 46, low end). On a small 
endian machine, however, it's stored in a different way, ie. 45 at high end and
7f at low end, so the whole number becomes 457f 464c in memory, which is 
1179403647 when translated into a 32-bit integer. So it seems to be it's an 
issue on byte order in storage. 
   
Leonard Evens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Andreas Kahari wrote:
:> 

:> Does the number 1179403647 tell you anything? It happens to be the
:> integer representation of 'F', 'L', 'E' followed by octal 177.
:> 
:> My guess is that you're on an Intel machine, which is little endian, and
:> that 'od' therefore gets 1179403647. The Sparc running Solaris is a big
:> endian machine... and so is the Java virtual machine it seems(?). That's
:> your problem.
:> 
:> /A
:> 
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:> # All junk email is reported to the appropriate authorities.
:> 
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: Excuse the ignorance, but what is the difference between a
: "little endian" and a "big endian" machine?
: -- 

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: Dept. of Mathematics, Northwestern Univ., Evanston, IL 60208

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: Cd writing problem
Date: 13 Apr 2000 12:41:28 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:13:05 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<<8d4o5i$iah$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I have a problem with writing a cd with debian.
>i have a hp cdwriter of HP (9110i) (ide), when i enter the following
>command: cdrecord -checkdrive dev=hcd it return a error message like:
>WARNING: device not valid, trying to use default target...
>scsidev: 'hcd'
>scsibus: 0 target: 6 lun:0
>cdrecord: Cannot do inquiry for CD-Recorder

cdrecord depends on the generic SCSI interface.  You need ide-scsi
emulation, SCSI support, SCSI CD-ROM support, and the SCSI generic
interface either compiled into the kernel or built as modules to use
CD-R(W)s with Linux.  You must also make sure that the ATAPI/IDE CD-ROM
driver doesn't grab your CD-R(W), as it won't let go if that driver is
compiled into the kernel.  Add
   append="hdc=ide-scsi"
to your /etc/lilo.conf, re-run LILO, reboot if that's the case.

There is a rather extensive guide to this procedure at
   http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/CD-Writing-HOWTO.html
and I strongly suggest you go read it....

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But only Light too dim for us to see      \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
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Subject: Anaconda Setup hangs
From: sparq49 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:43:40 -0700

Several of my friends are having problems installing Anaconda in
Rh 6.2. It seems the installation always hangs just as it is
about to complete. Any suggestions

TIA

Jim

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.,comp.security.unix,comp.os.linux.security,com.security.misc
Subject: Re: system time has changed with no reason
Date: 13 Apr 2000 16:52:13 GMT

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Yongfeng Luo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>My linux rh6.1's system time changed with no reason. Do you have any
>clue to investigate it why? Which log file could i review?


You do not tell us how it changed and what you were doing. IF it changed
in the past week or two, it is probably a change to daylight savings
time (or not). If it is different from a hour it is something else.




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Dances With Crows)
Subject: Re: The Partitioning of a 30 Gig Hard Drive
Date: 13 Apr 2000 13:04:36 EDT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:30:14 GMT, brancht 
<<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
>I am having problem installing on Linux on my nicely partitioned 30 Gig
>Maxtor hard drive. When ever I attempt to create the '/boot' selection or 
>I would like to have Linux and Windows98 running on this machine, with
>each OS having roughly having 15 Gigs each. 
>I have done this many times before with hard drives that had capacities of
>8.4 and less with no problems.

And what did you learn from this previous experience...?  /boot must be
below the 1024-cylinder boundary.  The newest version of LILO will
eliminate that, but AFAIK no distro is shipping with that quite yet.

The simplest thing to do would be to use FIPS to shrink the existing
Lose98 partition down to about 1020 cylinders.  Then, partition like so:

partition     mountpoint    startcyl     endcyl
hda1          C:            1            1020
hda2          /boot         1021         1023
hda3          <extended>    1024         end of disk
hda5          D:            1024         2030
hda6..N       whatever      2031         (season to taste, of course)

This way, you can store Lose98 data on hda5, and when Lose98 destroys
itself, you can reinstall it on hda1 without your data getting wiped out.
You will probably have to use raw fdisk or cfdisk instead of whatever
graphical partition tools you were using.  The partition type for hda1
should probably be 0x0c, while the partition type for hda5 could be 0x0b
or 0x0c; not sure.  Extended partitions usually have an ID of 0x05, but
again, 0x0f might be the appropriate choice.  You can run fdisk again if
Lose98 complains--Linux will not care about the partition ID in any case.

If the installer for your distro doesn't give you the option to use fdisk,
it's br0ken.  You can get Tom's RootBoot from http://www.toms.net/rb ,
boot from that, and use its fdisk prior to beginning the Linux install if
that's what it takes.

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But only Light too dim for us to see      \#| Lusers are vicious drama critics
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