Linux-Misc Digest #938, Volume #24 Mon, 26 Jun 00 03:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: stability of culture of helpfulness ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Gnutella fans, READ THIS! (Kracked Up)
Re: Gnome Panel crashes at start ("Kevin Vandersloot")
Re: linux as a client :-( (Richard Steiner)
Re: linux as a client :-( (Vilmos Soti)
Helium upgrade fallout: sound problem ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Struggling with postfix (AlexPGP)
Re: Mounting from rescue disks ("David ..")
Re: Literary Criticism (Michael O'Connell)
3Com 5610 on Com5 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Upgrading glibc/gtk issue (Bev)
Re: Delete File With Strange Chars (Bev)
inittab entry for telnet session ?? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Gnutella fans, READ THIS! (Jim Hill)
Netscape proxy problem... I think (Spitz)
Re: HALTING Linux EXACTLY when I WANT TO.......!!!!!*smile*
Re: Struggling with postfix (brian moore)
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: stability of culture of helpfulness
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:34:43 -0500
On 25 Jun 2000, Tim Palmer wrote:
+ On 19 Jun 2000 15:42:22 EDT, Dances With Crows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
+wrote:
+ >On Mon, 19 Jun 2000 19:02:32 GMT, Oliver Baker
+ ><<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> shouted forth into the ether:
[ snip ]
+ ...and after they get used to using ^P, ^N, ^B, and ^F insted of the arrow
+ keys, and after they get used
+ to having PgUp and PgDown only work sometiems, and after they get used
+ to using DEL insted of BACKSPACE and
+ after they get used to waiting for Netscape and after they get used to
+ tiping "mount" befoar loding a CD....
So don't use those keys, it is relatively simple to remap your keyboard
in whatever shell you use. Heck, you could use an editor that does not
even use those keys. There are more editors than I would care to count
available for Linux.
+ >support costs would
+
+ ...go thru the roof. Youd shure make the UNIX gooru's happy, but the normle users
+will hate halving to rede MAN pages all the time and use VI to eddit text
+ files.
Do you not know how to set your word wrap? Also, spell check is a
wonderful thing, or perhaps you are some warez dude?
To your point, it is *sad* if people are too lazy to read the
documentation pertaining to whatever software they are using.
And as for vi, don't use it if you don't like it. I would also
like to point out that an experienced vi user, can often edit
circles around users of notepad and the like.
+ >drop. I think companies could have fewer people, but they
+ >might need more competent people. (2 Unix BOFH-types at $90,000 each is
+ >less expensive than 6 tech-support Bobs at $30,000 each, factoring in
+ >health insurance/benefits/etc.) ICBW on all that, of course.
+
+ But you'd nead 20 teck-support Bob's to handel all the users hoo are going to be
+calling to ask how to do things that wer eesy for them on Windos.
Such as?
+ >
+ >>2) Is this culture of on-line helpfulness impervious to a)increasing
+ >>numbers of Linux users, b)increasing numbers of queries from Linux users
+ >>at companies who--it might be perceived--could afford to hire people to
+ >>generate in-house the answers they are instead getting through the
+ >>kindness of strangers.
+ >
+ >Good question. <soapbox>I believe that I am *required* to help people
+ >with Linux support, as my code's full of nasty quick hacks and I'm too
+
+ Doant' beet yourself up. Everyother Open Sore's programmer's coad is full
+ of nasty hack's and bugs to
+ Lie-nux is all maid up of nasty hack's thats' why it sucks so mutch.
Do you care to support your claims with any valid examples? I bet not.
You are a troll, obviously.
+ >poor to give loads of cash to the FSF, yet I need to give back to the
+ >community in some way. As such, if I can help somebody, I will, whether
+ >they're Joe Home User or Jane Corporate User. Linux has been built on a
+ >culture of altruism and knowledge-sharing; we should keep it up as much as
+ >possible and encourage those who've learned something to share it.
+ ></soapbox>
+ >
+ >That said, I'd be more motivated, less sarcastic/bitchy, and able to help
+ >more people if somebody were paying me by the hour to solve Linux
+ >problems.
+ >
+
+ Maybe youd be abal to rite better coad to.
You are a real piece of work. Learn to spell, get an idea of what
you are talking about, then maybe post if you have something useful
to contribute, troll.
anm
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Subject: Gnutella fans, READ THIS!
From: Kracked Up <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 20:30:58 -0700
At last, we have a resouce that's not been commercialized and
exploited...yet...there is a website, Cybergirlsex.com that is
abusing the system. They have a cgi program that generates a
false file in response to a search query on Gnutella. If say,
you entered the term Linux, it would return a file named
Linux.html which is nothing but a redirect to their porn site.
As usual, it's difficult to find out who really owns this kind
of site, but the address listed with Network Solutions is
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
and their address is
Fla Internet Marketing Inc. (CYBERGIRLSEX-DOM)
P.O Box 330
Shalimar, FL 32579-0330
I don't like this sort of thing. Let's stop em before they ruin
Gnutella search results beyond repair. If they get away with
this, others will follow. Count on it.
Got questions? Get answers over the phone at Keen.com.
Up to 100 minutes free!
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From: "Kevin Vandersloot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnome Panel crashes at start
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:39:27 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Cory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My config:
>
> Linux-Mandrake 6.0 Gnome 1.2 Enlightenment
> 0.16.0
>
> My problem:
>
> Just about everytime I log into my system, the
> Gnome panel starts crashing and reloading itself
> in an endless loop, telling me that it detected
> another panel and asking if I want to start
> another one. All the time its bringing up these
> dialog boxes and crash messages, to the point
> that I have to kill X. Then, when I get back,
> none of my dock apps in the panel are there
> anymore.
Try deleting your ~/.gnome/panel.d directory. You
will lose all of your panel settings. While you
are at it delete the ~/.gnome/session file. If
that does not work you could try to delete the
whole .gnome directory but you would lose all your
gnome settings including a lot of the apps you
have configured. You could backup some of the
configuration files of the applications and then
restore them when you restart. Hopefully this
would get things working.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Steiner)
Subject: Re: linux as a client :-(
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:35:48 -0500
Here in comp.os.linux.misc, Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
spake unto us, saying:
>Sorry for using the wrong language. You just rephased my comments.
>RH has enough customizations to make RPM packages useless on non-redhat
>systems.
Just as SuSE has enough customizations to make Mandrake RPM packages
sometimes hard to install, Caldera has enough customizations to make it
hard to install SuSE packages, etc.
What you describe is hardly something unique to Red Hat.
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-Rich Steiner >>>---> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>---> Bloomington, MN
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+ VMWare + Fusion + vMac + Executor = PC Hobbyist Heaven! :-)
I want to get in shape, but the gym is two flights up.
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Subject: Re: linux as a client :-(
From: Vilmos Soti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:53:37 GMT
Edward Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Sorry for using the wrong language. You just rephased my comments. RH has
> enough customizations to make RPM packages useless on non-redhat systems. I
> had a hard time installing Sybase (rpm only) on Debian some times ago.
Rpm is used by many other commercial packages which are non-redhat.
If Sybase releases its software in rpm format only then it is not
RedHat's fault. It is Sybase's stupidity. Do you think if it were
a Debian package then it would be trivial to install on rpm based
systems?
>> Do you know any program written by RedHat which is not free?
>> Nobody stops anybody to use rpm. Many other companies use it.
>
> Have you tried installing "standard" drivers on RH systems? I had to
> install standard modules, then base modules and finally the entire kernel and
> modules to make things work.
I always install the kernel from the official tar.gz. But this is
almost the only thing I don't install through rpm. I installed
alsa from sources and it went flawlessly.
> I am not accusing RH of anything. I am just stating my problems with driver
> modules and RPM packages. You might not have any problem, but many (include
> myself) have encountered them.
Someone said that RedHat is proprietary. Which proprietary package
comes with the standard RedHat install? They used to provide (I think)
MetroX servers and a browser called Red Baron. They don't do it anymore.
You are right that rpm can be annoying. I just wanted to install
a program called memprof (or simething similar) and it needed stuff
like gnumeric. But it is a different story.
Vilmos
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Helium upgrade fallout: sound problem
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 03:47:59 GMT
One of the consequences of upgrading my Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1 is loss of
sound capability.
In particular, xmms tells me that I should check to see that:
1. I have the correct output plugin selected.
2. No other program is blocking the soundcard.
3. The soundcard is configured properly.
I eliminate 3 because I ran the sound configuration and heard the sample
okay. I don't know about 1, except to say I haven't messed with the xmms
setup (although that's not to say that the Mandrake upgrade didn't march
through with muddy feet). Possibility 2 is very likely, as attempting
to run RealPlayer results in a message to the effect that the audio
device cannot be opened and that another application may be using it.
Might someone point me in the right direction? TIA.
Cheers...
Alex Lane * Webster, Texas, USA * [EMAIL PROTECTED] * www.galexi.com/alex/
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From: AlexPGP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Struggling with postfix
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:11:45 GMT
During a recent upgrade from Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1, my postfix
I-got-it-to-work-somehow config setup got stepped on, leaving me with
"virgin" config files.
I took this opportunity to clean up the naming in my home network, and
have but one thing (!?) left to figure out before I will let this rest.
The background is this: the machine I work on has no real domain;
/etc/HOSTNAME is 'twain' and myhostname in main.cf is given as
'twain.localdomain'. The 'twain' host connects to the rest of the world
through another Linux box that does IP masquerading (for this example,
'huck.net' with a static IP of 207.1.23.45). When I send mail out to
the world, I notice that the sendmail part of postfix relays the mail
through the destination, i.e., if I send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the relay
is through foo.com.
My problem is this: receiver machines often look at the header that
reads, in part (for example):
Received: from twain.localdomain (huck.net [207.1.23.45])
by receiver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id xxxxxxx
and then decide that since 'twain.localdomain' doesn't resolve, that the
mail is bogus and the message gets bounced.
My proposed solution is to figure out how I can *force* 'twain' to relay
through my ISPs mail server, because if I can do that, the problem goes
away, since my ISP's mail server will accept mail from my static IP
address.
Of course, if there's a better way to do this, I'm all ears.
Cheers...
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From: "David .." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mounting from rescue disks
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:11:38 -0500
Dan wrote:
>
> I am tryig to mount my hda5 root partition from a boot disk since I screwed
> up my XF86 config files and now can't log into my computer. When I try to
> mount it from my rescue disk it says, "couldm't mount RDWR because of
> unsupported optional features".
>
> Has anybody got any ideas what this means and how I can mount this partition?
If all you have screwed up is the XF86Config then you should be able to
boot "linux 3" and make the needed changes from the text console.
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From: Michael O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Literary Criticism
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 23:37:41 -0500
and what exactly do this have to do with Linux??????
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Where can I go to find literary criticism on the short story, "The Lottery"
> by Shirley Jackson?
>
> How can I compose my literary criticism information into a research paper
> on "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson?
>
> --
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: 3Com 5610 on Com5
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:58:23 GMT
Running Mandrake 7.0
I have a 3Com 5610 ( USR PCI faxmodem )which is definitely compatible
with Linux. I have searched through some of the old usenet messages on
this topic, but haven't gotten a thorough explanation on how to make
this modem work, because it ( according to Windows ) is on Com5. Using
Kppp I can't get it to work.
The main responses to this problem involve 2 operations : IRQ and PnP
in the BIOS, and setserial in the kernel or within linux somewhere. I
went into my Bios and found nothing related to IRQ or PnP ( it
said "Phoenix BIOS ).
Any ideas?
THanks
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Upgrading glibc/gtk issue
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:10:46 -0700
"Peter B. Ensch" wrote:
>
> I need to upgrade some important libraries including glibc and gtk so
> that
> I can install an app. that requires them.
> I downloaded the necessary rpms and ran rpm under --test; I got a lot
> of messages telling me that the new libraries were incompatible with
> other installed stuff or that dependencies were not met.
>
> What do I do?!
> 1) Do I need to upgrade each rpm listed in the error messages
> so that all incompatibilities/dependencies are satisfied before I
> install
> the new glibc/gtk? OR
> 2) Do I just forge ahead and fix any problems later? OR
> 3) Do I buy a more recent version of the distro and reinstall from
> scratch?
>
> I'm running SuSe v6.1
I just upgraded from 6.1 to 6.4 for pretty much the same reason, and it
went beautifully. The only burps involved some tk/tcl stuff that required
me to install additional stuff from the 6.4 disks.
Out of general paranoia I duplicated my entire system on a different
partition Just In Case and then upgraded the copy, which is what I'm using
now.
BTW, can anybody make a guess as to why my tkman now consistently blinks
out of existence after exactly one minute and two seconds of operation?
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Cheers, Bev
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From: Bev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Delete File With Strange Chars
Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:17:12 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] did eloquently scribble:
> > If your file is really called AAAA/ then you can
> > narrow it down a bit with something like:
>
> > rm -i AAAA*
> > OR
> > rm -i AAAA?
>
> Or indeed
>
> rm AAAA\/
>
> to just delete the one file... '\' is the escape character and will cause
> the shell to treat the character after it as part of the filename rather
> than a special character (directory spearator in this case).
>
> Using this, you can create file names like...
>
> This is a filename
>
> by doing something like
>
> touch This\ is\ a\ filename
I'm ashamed to say that for weird filenames I use kexplorer (a clone of
guess what) or TkDesk, which allow me to just point at the offending file
and delete it. Crude, but effective.
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Cheers, Bev
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: inittab entry for telnet session ??
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 05:12:19 GMT
Hi :-)
I'm new to the Linux world. Could anyone tell me what the inittab entry
for a telnet session from my Win98 box would be . I'm running Mandrake
6.1 and can ping both ways. The only thing that I can see is wrong is
that there are no entries in inittab for my network connection, so
there is no getty running and hence no logon prompt. I'm
using a 10 base T network, which works fine. I get a blank screen then
the msg 'connection broken' when I try to logon.
Thanks
Bob
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Hill)
Subject: Re: Gnutella fans, READ THIS!
Date: 26 Jun 2000 06:00:22 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Kracked Up <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>At last, we have a resouce that's not been commercialized and
>exploited...yet...
Your protest would be a lot more tolerable if you weren't using a news
server which pisses into the world's spools with every post by tacking
an ad onto your own content:
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From: Spitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Netscape proxy problem... I think
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 06:30:05 GMT
Hi.
My ISP requires me to use a proxy server so I tried entering it under
edit -> preferences -> advanced -> proxies -> manual proxy configuration.
The proxy I have to use is called proxy.singnet.com.sg 8080. When I
press 'OK', I get this message 'Warning: HTTP proxy
host "proxy.singnet.com.sg" is unknown.' and I have to press cancel, which
erases the proxy I added.
Without the proxy, I get these messages -
'Netscape is unable to locate the server www.netscape.com. Please check
the server name and try again.'
'Warning: The following hosts are unknown:
home.netscape.com
home6.netscape.comm
internic.net
This means that some or all hosts will be unreachable. Perhaps there is a
problem with your name server? If your site must use a non-root name
server, your must need to set the $SOCKS-NS environment variable to point
at the appropriate name server.'
All help is appreciated. Thank you.
Spitz
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: HALTING Linux EXACTLY when I WANT TO.......!!!!!*smile*
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 16:42:28 +1000
As far as I know this can be done with a cron job.
Look at man cron
Cheers
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Lew Pitcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Hendrix wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I'm trying to use the shutdown command to halt the computer at a
>> specific time and date... Is this possible...??? For instance, how
>> would I be able to halt the computer at 10:00pm...???
>>
>> Would I use: shutdown -h 10:00
>
> That command would: a) prevent any further logins until the shutdown
> either completes or is cancelled, and b) shutdown and halt your system
> at 10:00 AM
>
>> And what if I wanted to halt the computer at 10:00pm on June 23rd...???
>> Is there a way to do this (even without the shutdown command)...???
>
> at 10pm Jun 23 shutdown -h now
> ^D
>
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river been poisoned and the last fish been
caught will we realise we cannot eat money"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (brian moore)
Subject: Re: Struggling with postfix
Date: 26 Jun 2000 06:45:20 GMT
On Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:11:45 GMT,
AlexPGP <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> During a recent upgrade from Mandrake 7.0 to 7.1, my postfix
> I-got-it-to-work-somehow config setup got stepped on, leaving me with
> "virgin" config files.
I started playing with postfix finally a couple weeks ago. It's a very
nice package, and Wietse and friends have done an amazingly cool job
with it. The only reason I have sendmail running it all is that I like
per-user filters at the SMTP stage, which, alas, only sendmail is able
to do as far as I can tell.
> I took this opportunity to clean up the naming in my home network, and
> have but one thing (!?) left to figure out before I will let this rest.
>
> The background is this: the machine I work on has no real domain;
> /etc/HOSTNAME is 'twain' and myhostname in main.cf is given as
> 'twain.localdomain'. The 'twain' host connects to the rest of the world
> through another Linux box that does IP masquerading (for this example,
> 'huck.net' with a static IP of 207.1.23.45). When I send mail out to
> the world, I notice that the sendmail part of postfix relays the mail
> through the destination, i.e., if I send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED], the relay
> is through foo.com.
That works but isn't ideal. I did that a number of years ago on a
dialup and found that mailing my parents at AOL was a crap shoot:
sometimes AOL's mail server wouldn't respond in a timely manner when I
was online, so my mail would eventually end up in my mailbox. The
'smarthost' feature is ideal for this sort of thing for that reason.
> My problem is this: receiver machines often look at the header that
> reads, in part (for example):
>
> Received: from twain.localdomain (huck.net [207.1.23.45])
> by receiver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id xxxxxxx
>
> and then decide that since 'twain.localdomain' doesn't resolve, that the
> mail is bogus and the message gets bounced.
>
> My proposed solution is to figure out how I can *force* 'twain' to relay
> through my ISPs mail server, because if I can do that, the problem goes
> away, since my ISP's mail server will accept mail from my static IP
> address.
Well, you should do that anyway (see above for why sending mail from a
box without fulltime connectivity isn't ideal), but it won't fix your
problem.
> Of course, if there's a better way to do this, I'm all ears.
Step 1: configure postfix to use your ISP as a smarthost (ie, have your
box play dumb and send non-local mail to your ISP). This is the
'relayhost' variable.
Step 2: fix your headers so that you have a valid return address (you do
want to get your bounces so that you know when you typo'd an address,
right?). I do this with Mutt and Postfix is happy to believe me.
The 'helo' address (which you show in the received line above) should
be a valid hostname, but anyone using that as a spam check is losing
lots of mail, as it is very often not valid. The check you're failing
in is the return envelope ('MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>' in the SMTP
stage).
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