Linux-Misc Digest #858, Volume #26 Fri, 19 Jan 01 14:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Strange messages (Lew Pitcher)
Help: setting up ntp-4.0.99k.rpm (David. E. Goble)
I need more info and here are some hints. Re: Linux not free anymore? (Sinner from
the Prairy)
Re: why can't i find any good GUI file managers? (Sinner from the Prairy)
Re: why can't i find any good GUI file managers? (Pawel Golik)
Re: Strange messages ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: woody, reiserfs, and kernel compilation (John Hasler)
Re: Strange messages (aflinsch)
Why can't I login as root in my 2.4.0 kernel??? (David Vidal Rodriguez)
Re: Linux not free anymore? (Bill Unruh)
Re: woody, reiserfs, and kernel compilation (Jeff Strunk)
Re: user created backdoor ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: gcc environment question ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Bios upgrade in linux (Harry)
System date and file dates not showing in same time zone (Cris Fuhrman)
Looking for a solid addressbook/calendar program (Apostata)
instrumentation displays (question) (Steve Allen)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Lew Pitcher)
Subject: Re: Strange messages
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:21:12 GMT
On 19 Jan 2001 16:08:48 GMT, Eric Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>In my /var/log/messages, there are some strange messages :
>
>Jan 19 18:52:52 bbs -- MARK --
>Jan 19 19:12:52 bbs -- MARK --
>Jan 19 19:32:52 bbs -- MARK --
>Jan 19 19:52:52 bbs -- MARK --
>Jan 19 20:12:52 bbs -- MARK --
>
>Could someone tell me what they mean ?
syslogd writes these as 'timestamp's to let you know that syslog is still
active. You can disable them by changing syslogd's startup parameters.
Lew Pitcher
IT Consultant, Development Services
Toronto Dominion Bank Financial Group
(Opinions expressed are my own, not my employers')
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From: goble@gtech (David. E. Goble)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,alt.linux
Subject: Help: setting up ntp-4.0.99k.rpm
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 04:31:02 GMT
Reply-To: goble@gtech
Hi all;
I have no idea what Iam doing so please bare with me.
I want to set up my RedHat 6.2 server install, so that it can keep
time with a local time server (129.127.40.3).
This is what I have...
##################
# /etc/ip-up.local
#
# run fetchmail
/usr/bin/fetchmail >> /home/degoble/.fetchmailrc
#Update hardware clock
/usr/sbin/ntpdate 129.127.40.3
/sbin/hwclock --systohc
# Flush mail queue
/usr/sbin/sendmail -q
###############
/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/S86ntpd
This is what is happening....
##############
#/var/log/ppp
Jan 19 08:55:10 gtech pppd[770]: pppd 2.3.11 started by degoble, uid
501
Jan 19 08:55:11 gtech chat[771]: send (AT^M)
Jan 19 08:55:11 gtech chat[771]: expect (OK)
Jan 19 08:55:11 gtech chat[771]: AT^M^M
Jan 19 08:55:11 gtech chat[771]: OK
Jan 19 08:55:11 gtech chat[771]: -- got it
Jan 19 08:55:11 gtech chat[771]: send (ATDT85534300^M)
Jan 19 08:55:12 gtech chat[771]: expect (CONNECT)
Jan 19 08:55:12 gtech chat[771]: ^M
Jan 19 08:55:30 gtech chat[771]: ATDT85534300^M^M
Jan 19 08:55:30 gtech chat[771]: CONNECT
Jan 19 08:55:30 gtech chat[771]: -- got it
Jan 19 08:55:30 gtech chat[771]: send (\d)
Jan 19 08:55:31 gtech pppd[770]: Serial connection established.
Jan 19 08:55:31 gtech pppd[770]: Using interface ppp0
Jan 19 08:55:32 gtech pppd[770]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS2
...
Jan 19 08:55:37 gtech pppd[770]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up started (pid
774)
Jan 19 08:55:37 gtech pppd[770]: rcvd [CCP ConfRej id=0x2]
Jan 19 08:55:37 gtech pppd[770]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-up finished (pid
774), status = 0x0
Jan 19 08:56:09 gtech ntpd[563]: Connection re-established to
129.127.40.3
Jan 19 09:01:30 gtech ntpd[563]: time error 43198 over 1000 seconds;
set clock manually
Jan 19 09:39:59 gtech ntpd[1932]: ntpd 4.0.99k Wed Oct 25 10:39:20 EDT
2000 (1)
Jan 19 09:39:59 gtech ntpd[1932]: signal_no_reset: signal 13 had flags
4000000
Jan 19 09:39:59 gtech ntpd[1932]: set_process_priority: priority_done
is <2>
Jan 19 09:39:59 gtech ntpd[1932]: precision = 13 usec
Jan 19 09:39:59 gtech ntpd[1932]: kern_enable is 1
Jan 19 09:39:59 gtech ntpd[1932]: using kernel phase-lock loop 0001
Jan 19 09:39:59 gtech ntpd[1932]: frequency initialized -0.763 from
/etc/ntp/drift
Jan 19 09:39:59 gtech ntpd[1932]: using kernel phase-lock loop 0041
Jan 19 09:39:59 gtech ntpd[1932]: bind() fd 8, family 2, port 123,
addr 224.0.1.1, in_classd=1 flags=0 fails: Address already in use
Jan 19 09:39:59 gtech ntpd[1932]: ...multicast address 224.0.1.1 using
wildcard socket
Jan 19 09:44:19 gtech ntpd[1932]: time error 43198 over 1000 seconds;
set clock manually
Jan 19 09:51:52 gtech ntpd[2218]: ntpd 4.0.99k Wed Oct 25 10:39:20 EDT
2000 (1)
Jan 19 09:51:52 gtech ntpd[2218]: signal_no_reset: signal 13 had flags
4000000
Jan 19 09:51:52 gtech ntpd[2218]: set_process_priority: priority_done
is <2>
Jan 19 09:51:52 gtech ntpd[2218]: precision = 12 usec
Jan 19 09:51:52 gtech ntpd[2218]: kern_enable is 1
Jan 19 09:51:52 gtech ntpd[2218]: using kernel phase-lock loop 0041
Jan 19 09:51:52 gtech ntpd[2218]: frequency initialized -0.763 from
/etc/ntp/drift
Jan 19 09:51:53 gtech ntpd[2218]: using kernel phase-lock loop 0041
Jan 19 09:51:53 gtech ntpd[2218]: bind() fd 10, family 2, port 123,
addr 224.0.1.1, in_classd=1 flags=0 fails: Address already in use
Jan 19 09:51:53 gtech ntpd[2218]: ...multicast address 224.0.1.1 using
wildcard socket
Jan 19 09:56:59 gtech ntpd[2218]: time error 43198 over 1000 seconds;
set clock manually
Jan 19 09:57:43 gtech ntpd[2355]: ntpd 4.0.99k Wed Oct 25 10:39:20 EDT
2000 (1)
Jan 19 09:57:43 gtech ntpd[2355]: signal_no_reset: signal 13 had flags
4000000
Jan 19 09:57:43 gtech ntpd[2355]: set_process_priority: priority_done
is <2>
Jan 19 09:57:43 gtech ntpd[2355]: precision = 12 usec
Jan 19 09:57:43 gtech ntpd[2355]: kern_enable is 1
Jan 19 09:57:43 gtech ntpd[2355]: using kernel phase-lock loop 0001
Jan 19 09:57:43 gtech ntpd[2355]: frequency initialized -0.763 from
/etc/ntp/drift
Jan 19 09:57:43 gtech ntpd[2355]: using kernel phase-lock loop 0041
Jan 19 09:57:43 gtech ntpd[2355]: bind() fd 8, family 2, port 123,
addr 224.0.1.1, in_classd=1 flags=0 fails: Address already in use
Jan 19 09:57:43 gtech ntpd[2355]: ...multicast address 224.0.1.1 using
wildcard socket
Jan 19 10:02:49 gtech ntpd[2355]: time error 43198 over 1000 seconds;
set clock manually
Jan 19 10:18:58 gtech pppd[770]: Terminating on signal 15.
Jan 19 10:18:58 gtech pppd[770]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-down started (pid
3201)
Jan 19 10:18:58 gtech pppd[770]: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "User
request"]
Jan 19 10:18:58 gtech pppd[770]: rcvd [LCP TermAck id=0x2]
Jan 19 10:18:58 gtech pppd[770]: Connection terminated.
Jan 19 10:18:58 gtech pppd[770]: Connect time 83.5 minutes.
Jan 19 10:18:58 gtech pppd[770]: Sent 923498 bytes, received 10748599
bytes.
Jan 19 10:19:00 gtech pppd[770]: Waiting for 1 child processes...
Jan 19 10:19:00 gtech pppd[770]: script /etc/ppp/ip-down, pid 3201
Jan 19 10:19:00 gtech pppd[770]: Script /etc/ppp/ip-down finished (pid
3201), status = 0x0
Jan 19 10:19:00 gtech pppd[770]: Exit.
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From: Sinner from the Prairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I need more info and here are some hints. Re: Linux not free anymore?
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:40:19 +0000
Rafael wrote:
> They decided the tax to be based on the Windows NT Server ( around 1000$) price.
> I think that Linux community should react. Polish tax officces should be
> internationally accused.
> Rafael
Yes, I've heard of it.
The idea of the "bright" Polish tax office is to tax, not by its price
but for its value.
Linux can perform at least equal to a Windows2000 Server with many
licenses? So We, the Tax Department, have decided that We will apply to
Linux the same amount of tax collected from Windows 2000 Server. IT's
zero cost means nothing. Probably they're trying to avoid taxes.
Where's democracy? Where's the free market? Where are the
laws-that-are-meant-to-help-the-people?
I think that you, Polish citizens, should protest and call the
politicians, the newspapes, the TV, the radio stations and tell them
about this absurd tax law. Tell them that this starts the precedent for
all the ideas exposed here:
Tax to runners because they use up more air
Tax to pedestrians because they get an income (== they do not expend) by
not buying a car
Tax home owners because they gete an income (== they do not expend) by
not paying rent
Tax cheap alcohol because it makes you drunk the same as good and
expensive alcohol
Tax cheap food because it serves the same purpouse as expensive food
Tax food small producers that eat they food because it costs nothing to
them... but its equivalent to buying food (so its tax evasion, after
all!)
Tax home-made clothes because they have the same value as imported
italian/french good clothing
Tax home-made furniture because they have the same value of furniture
adquired on a shop.
(...)
Remember, Open Source License is the equivalent of a garage-made chair.
Do they tax such a chair? no. Then, they should't tax garage-made
software.
As an advice, I recomend to you and to all the fellow Polish Linux users
to contact the European Union. Poland want to join the European Union.
And what they are doing is against free comerce, fair law and fair
business. Try to contact with the European Ombudsman. Probably they will
help you. I will post this thing on news services for catalan-speaking
and spanish-speaking people. And also to other Linux newsgroups, to see
what can be done.
Please, post links to the law or sites that show it/fight it.
Good Luck!
Salut,
Sinner
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From: Sinner from the Prairy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: why can't i find any good GUI file managers?
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:52:28 +0000
Hi,
I use the following:
Konqueror for KDE 2.0. Very powerfull but a resource-eater
XWC for any other window manager. Is quite light and easy to use. Looks
like a stable Windows Explorer form Win95.
mc (Midnight Comander). From the comand line. Or in a Eterm resized so
the window is really wide. It has all what you need for file managing. I
use it more that Konqueror or XWC, actually.
Hope this helps.
Salut,
Sinner
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From: Pawel Golik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: why can't i find any good GUI file managers?
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:53:01 -0500
dom wrote:
> I use XWC (XWIN Commander) Very simple interface, stable, fast, looks alot
> like that ole windows explorer (please forgive me :-)
Be careful about XWC - I lost data twice due to it!! It seems to have a
bug that drops some files if you copy large (thousands of files)
directories. It doesn't give any warning, just when you look at the
supposedly copied directory you notice that some files are missing.
Happened to me twice on two different systems (only with directories
containing really lots of files, like linux source tree). No problems if
you copy individual files, but you can do that faster winth command line.
Pawel
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Strange messages
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 16:56:24 GMT
In article <949oqg$ef$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Eric Ho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> In my /var/log/messages, there are some strange messages :
>
> Jan 19 18:52:52 bbs -- MARK --
> Jan 19 19:12:52 bbs -- MARK --
> Jan 19 19:32:52 bbs -- MARK --
> Jan 19 19:52:52 bbs -- MARK --
> Jan 19 20:12:52 bbs -- MARK --
>
> Could someone tell me what they mean ?
>
> Best Regards,
> Eric Ho
>
>
The syslogd logs a mark timestamp regularly. The default interval
between two -- MARK -- lines is 20 minutes. If you don't like this
behavior, read man syslogd and edit your start-up script.
Paul
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From: John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: woody, reiserfs, and kernel compilation
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 14:05:01 GMT
elmig writes:
> woody == Debian "woody"
Yes.
> unstable version,
No. Testing version. Unstable is sid. Don't use the code names. The
Debian versions are stable, testing, and unstable.
> probably 2.4 or 3.0
Unreleased Debian versions do not have numbers.
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Elmwood, Wisconsin
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From: aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Strange messages
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 12:16:07 -0600
Eric Ho wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> In my /var/log/messages, there are some strange messages :
>
> Jan 19 18:52:52 bbs -- MARK --
> Jan 19 19:12:52 bbs -- MARK --
> Jan 19 19:32:52 bbs -- MARK --
> Jan 19 19:52:52 bbs -- MARK --
> Jan 19 20:12:52 bbs -- MARK --
>
> Could someone tell me what they mean ?
>
They are just a note that the logging system is still working.
Nothing to worry about.
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From: David Vidal Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.secutity,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Why can't I login as root in my 2.4.0 kernel???
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:28:38 +0100
Hi there! (and excuse my bad English!)
My Linux is an hybrid of SuSE 6.2 and 6.4...
I've installed the 2.4.0 kernel with devfs support and solved almost all
the problems I've encountered by now. But the really big thing is still
there: I can't start a login session as root! I always have to enter as
a normal user and then use the su-command. However, I by giving the "-b"
kernel option I can login; thus I **think** it could have something to
do with PAM, /etc/securetty and the new /dev structure.
The only things I've changed were, as said, the kernel, the /dev and the
start scripts so that they point to the right devices. Could somebody
point me to the right direction in finding a solution for this
(embarrasing) problem?
Thanks in advance,
--
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http://dvr.ismad.com
"Ein Computer ohne Windows ist wie ein Fisch ohne Fahrrad."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Linux not free anymore?
Date: 19 Jan 2001 17:54:44 GMT
In <8QC96.20706$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
]The feds seem pretty greedy too; the amount of tax being assessed on a
]single CD-R seems to keep rising, from what I hear. A couple weeks
]ago, I bought a 50-pack of CD-Rs for $10. I gather that, in Canada, I
]would have been assessed a tax of somewhere around $15 on that.
The justification for the tax is that people use CDRs to record music
and thus to violate the copyright of the music owners. The tax is to set
up a fund to compensate them for this illegal copying. That this does
not make it legal is a bit unclear to me (After all you have now paid to
copy).
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From: Jeff Strunk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: woody, reiserfs, and kernel compilation
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 11:59:37 +0000
On 19 Jan 2001 09:11:13 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Kimoto) wrote:
...
>
> Could this be a hardware problem?
> http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/
...
Thanks for the link. It's sad, but at least I know its probably my RAM. I've been
looking for a reason to upgrade. :) First I am going to redo the bad block scan for
my partition just to be sure.
Thanks for all the help,
Jeff
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: user created backdoor
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:36:16 +0000
Bill Hudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> did eloquently scribble:
> You can change his login shell to /bin/false, which will prevent him
> from logging in on that account. Do this from root with the 'chsh'
> command. 'chsh -s /bin/false <username>'
> There are ways to login that do not require the use of a password. Look
> for a .rhosts file in the user's home directory, and look for a '.ssh'
> subdirectory containing files like 'authorized_keys' or
> 'authorized_keys2' (by the way, I would not consider using an ssh login
> a 'back door' unless you've strictly limited when and how they can log
> on).
One of the things that they did at Keele university to prevent user access
to their accounts were....
1> tar/gzip the users home directory and delete the directory itself.
2> Replace the login shell with a simple script that echoed:
"Your account has been suspended.
Please contact the system administrator as soon as possible."
The script then terminated the connection.
No home directory meant no .rhosts file and no other exploits in his home
directory would be available.
Of course, the other thing you could do is prevent out of hours access to
the system to unauthorised users by using IP chains and only allowing access
from your own IP address. (Or IP Tables if you have 2.4 kernel)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,gnu.gcc.help,linux.redhat
Subject: Re: gcc environment question
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 17:59:46 GMT
In article <cqW96.124$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Dave Korn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <948r3u$r78$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> >Hi,
> >
> >After being forced to build gcc-2.95.2 from source (to replace
> >Redhat's buggy gcc-2.96), I can only get it to run if I add
> >
> >-L/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/
> >and
> >-I/usr/include/g++-3/
>
> >I tried adding
>
>LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96:$(LD_LIBRARY_PATH)
> >export LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> >
> >to ~/.bashrc and `re-sourcing` to get rid of the first option.
Doesn't
> >help. As to the second option (include files directory), I'm
completely
> >clueless.
> >
> >What can I do?
>
> Telling us *why* it doesn't run otherwise would be a start...
>
> DaveK
It can't find libs (such as stdc++ and g2c) or include files (such as
iostream)
Wroot
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From: Harry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bios upgrade in linux
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:12:50 +0000
On Fri, 19 Jan 2001 05:53:01 -0800, Warren Bell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Warren Bell wrote:
>>
>> I want to upgrade my bios on a machine that's just running Linux. The
>> MB company has the flash utility and the .bin file but the utility is an
>> .exe file. How do I boot to and run that to upgrade the bios under
>> Linux?
>
>Thanks guys. I'll try a win boot disk first then bootdisk.com if that
>doesn't work.
>
>One other question, would it work to boot up with a win98 boot disk,
>remove it, then run the disk with the bios utility? Or should I add the
>bios utility and update to the win98 boot disk? I think I remeber the
>bios page saying somthing about haveing nothing else on the disk besides
>the update and utility..
Either of these will work but you should rem out all the lines in
config.sys and autoexec.bat on the 98 boot disk first.
Harry
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From: Cris Fuhrman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: System date and file dates not showing in same time zone
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:23:06 GMT
Hi,
My Redhat 6.2 system has a peculiar configuration, the system date is
set for EST, but the file dates on "ls -l" appear to have UTC by
default. Look what happens when I do the following (I have edited this
slightly to avoid username info):
=======
$ date
Fri Jan 19 13:06:09 EST 2001
$ touch here
$ ls -l here
-rw-rw-r-- 1 xxxx xxxxxx 0 Jan 19 18:06 here
$ date -u
Fri Jan 19 18:06:24 UTC 2001
=======
I have tried changing the UTC=true and UTC=false in
the /etc/sysconfig/clock with no improvement (the file dates and the
default "date" dates are always off by the timezone difference between
UTC and EST).
I have set my "TZ" environement variable in my shell, and that doesn't
seem to help either.
Intuitively the "ls -l" dates should show up in the time zone of the
system, right? How can I set Redhat do be this way.
Thanks,
-Cris
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From: Apostata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Looking for a solid addressbook/calendar program
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:30:12 -0000
Hello,
Are there any solid addressbook/calendar programs out there for Linux?
At our office (where we use Win 9.x) we use Lotus Organizer. If I were to
migrate out OS's to Linux we would need to replace that with something just
as reliable and user-friendly.
Currently, StarOffice doesn't have anything that I would take seriously
(they really haven't developed their PIM as well as the other parts of the
suite).
Any ideas? Thanks in advance :)
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.x
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Allen)
Subject: instrumentation displays (question)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Jan 2001 18:23:54 GMT
Hi.
This is a question that is the reverse of the usual -- how do I *decrease*
the XWindow security?
I have a half-dozen machines with RH6.2/GNOME installed, and set to boot
to an XWindow login. A separate system runs a program that is to put a
display up on these machines.
What I want is to have the display be presented on the RH systems without
having to log in to them. What do I need to do to accomplish this? In
the same vein, what is the best way to turn off the screensaver for these
systems? (While the app is running would be best, but an all-the-time
shutoff would be acceptable; we can just turn the displays off.)
Thanks,
~Steve
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