Olwen, You may consider your self a real programmer because you use a product that's older than half of the programmers out there writting web pages today... I'm not going to argue the toss with you on that one :) Just because you've been doing something badly and the hard way for near on 35 years is no reason to stop now (in my book anyway).
(Dear God, please let Olwen see that I'm just pulling his chain a little and he should simply write me off with contempt for the comments above, Kind regards Don.) As for real programmers... the one guy I considered a 'real programmer' (this life time) could program in ASM faster than most people I know can read. I've never seen someone take 100,000 lines of code and turn it into something that works over night before I saw what this guy did with some call accounting software that we'd had someone else design. Anyway, I think I should leave the rest of this debate for a beer down at a local pub some time. Cheers Don > -----Original Message----- > From: Williams, Olwen - SAL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:45 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Gnomemeeting to go to QT --> QT Demo... > > > I think there's still a spirit of what "real programmers" may > or may not do, > and one thing is for sure "real programmers" don't use GUI IDEs > > But then who am I to speak -- creating webpages in PICK BASIC > as I write, > (or should be). > > The 1982 version here is different to the one I saw in the 70's > http://www.multicians.org/thvv/realprogs.html > > > Olwen Williams > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Cheetham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 08:57, Don Gould wrote: > > I've yet to actually see a fully interactive GUI based > development and > > debugging enviornment such as you get with VB, ASP (Visual > Interdev) and > the > > rest of the Microsoft tools. > > You're probably right. In the OSS world, if it hasn't been written, > either it's not efficient given the current technology base, > or "no-one" > really wants it ... one of the current problems in Linux > circles is that > many advocates want "everyone" to use Linux, but can't do the work to > make that happen themselves, and have to try to convince other > developers to do it for them. And they're not convincing enough > ..... snipped. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential > information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction > of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in > error please notify Safe Air Ltd immediately. Any views expressed > in this message are those of the individual sender and may not > necessarily reflect the views of Safe Air. > _____________________________________________________________________ > For more information on the Safe Air Group, visit us online > at http://www.safeair.co.nz/ > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > __________ NOD32 1.701 (20040401) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > http://www.nod32.com > >
