Hey, I might not agree with Don on everything but here I've got to put in a word. I am sick of that "real programmer" BS. It is just an excuse for people who have nothing else in their lives. Sure, I want to be able to programme only using vi and gcc but I am certain that there are things that people just do better and faster in a more inclusive environment. Certainly the vast majority of programmers. Why should not Linux be the platform of the people - real people - instead of that of some elite group of geek-fascists whose heads are in a dark and smelly place... my thoughts Anton
On Thursday 01 April 2004 17:47, you wrote: > Olwen, > > You may consider your self a real programmer because you use a product > that's older than half of the programmers out there writting web pages > today... I'm not going to argue the toss with you on that one :) Just > because you've been doing something badly and the hard way for near on 35 > years is no reason to stop now (in my book anyway). > > (Dear God, please let Olwen see that I'm just pulling his chain a little > and he should simply write me off with contempt for the comments above, > Kind regards Don.) > > As for real programmers... the one guy I considered a 'real programmer' > (this life time) could program in ASM faster than most people I know can > read. I've never seen someone take 100,000 lines of code and turn it into > something that works over night before I saw what this guy did with some > call accounting software that we'd had someone else design. > > Anyway, I think I should leave the rest of this debate for a beer down at a > local pub some time. > > > Cheers Don > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Williams, Olwen - SAL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:45 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: Gnomemeeting to go to QT --> QT Demo... > > > > > > I think there's still a spirit of what "real programmers" may > > or may not do, > > and one thing is for sure "real programmers" don't use GUI IDEs > > > > But then who am I to speak -- creating webpages in PICK BASIC > > as I write, > > (or should be). > > > > The 1982 version here is different to the one I saw in the 70's > > http://www.multicians.org/thvv/realprogs.html > > > > > > Olwen Williams > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Cheetham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 08:57, Don Gould wrote: > > > I've yet to actually see a fully interactive GUI based > > > > development and > > > > > debugging enviornment such as you get with VB, ASP (Visual > > > > Interdev) and > > the > > > > > rest of the Microsoft tools. > > > > You're probably right. In the OSS world, if it hasn't been written, > > either it's not efficient given the current technology base, > > or "no-one" > > really wants it ... one of the current problems in Linux > > circles is that > > many advocates want "everyone" to use Linux, but can't do the work to > > make that happen themselves, and have to try to convince other > > developers to do it for them. And they're not convincing enough > > ..... snipped. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > CAUTION - This message may contain privileged and confidential > > information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. > > If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby > > notified that any use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction > > of this message is prohibited. If you have received this message in > > error please notify Safe Air Ltd immediately. Any views expressed > > in this message are those of the individual sender and may not > > necessarily reflect the views of Safe Air. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > For more information on the Safe Air Group, visit us online > > at http://www.safeair.co.nz/ > > _____________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > __________ NOD32 1.701 (20040401) Information __________ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. > > http://www.nod32.com
