On 01/17/2012 01:25 AM, [email protected] wrote: > On Sunday 15 January 2012 20:20:02 Rony wrote: >> In order to end this discussion conclusively, I would like to know from >> list members including JTD and Binand, which lesser known pure Chinese >> brand do they use in their homes and offices in the following categories >> listed below. Please mention only the Chinese brand/s against the >> categories. > Misleading Polls. Ask the wrong question and get the wrong answer. > Ask the wrong people and get even worse answers.
Just want to know what the brand bashers use. Anyway first, thanks for spending time to provide inputs. >> 1. Refrigerator. > Allwyn. Yeah the ancient one which keeps working after 40 years. Not Chinese. >> 2. Colour TV CRT. > Onida clone retired after 7 years in 1997 and lying in a corner for > occasional > CCTV testing, working even now. Not Chinese. > Prior to that we had no television. We had PC > xt 4.77 Mhz 640K ram ;-E. No name chinese mobo and Genius mouse (Taiwan). > The PC worked until 1997 (1984-1997) after which it too was retired, when the > branded seagate disk failed LOL. The PSU was locally made in Andheri MIDC. > The box by another noname at Goregaon. The monitor was by yet another noname, > which later was known as Prompt computers. > >> 3. Colour TV LCD/LED. > LG made in China - the 32 inch LCD panel is also made in china ! Not Chinese. >> 4. Washing machine. > annoynmous chinese whose factory I had visited. Worked from 1996 to 2007. At > which point someone gifted my mom a LG. The anon chinese was whisked away by > my maid (afair). Chinese. > >> 5. Microwave Oven. > Never used one >> 6. Air Conditioner. > At my old office: annoymous Indian made with annoymous Chinese parts worked > from 1997 to 2008 and sold off to annoymous indian, who proly painted it and > sold it yet another annoymous Indian. A client of mine used an assembled Indian AC but right from the start, it was not cooling so well. > Currently dont use an AC as the office > is well ventilated. Never used an Ac at home. > >> 7. HiFi Music System. > Made by mostly anonymous Indian - ME. Including Speakers made by my brother > in > 1980. One of my friends came by last week after 24 years and heard the same > speakers. He owns a Bose now. But swore that these sounded as good if not > better. True. This is because people buy Bose home theaters in place of stereo music systems for audio playback. Home theatres are meant for movies only as they do not reproduce sound as original. Bose stereo systems are available but only for those who own a Mercedes E-Class and above. After years of using assembled audio systems, I bought a Sonodyne amp. with tower speakers and their sound reproduction is lovely. A good audio company has instruments for measuring and calibrating systems, test rooms for testing, improvement and that gives the additional touch. > Current top of the line speakers costing 10 times more do sound a > little better. But these are really good and natural sounding. BTW I intend > to build an electrostatic and a plasma to replace these this year (time > permitting) Nice. >> 8. Digital Still Camera. > Dont have one. But the ones at home purchased by my brother are branded and > made in China. Not Chinese. >> 9. Video Camera (not-webcam). > Same as above (Sony afaik) Not Chinese. >> 10. DVD Player and/or Home Theater. > HTPC with asus mobo and AMD cpu. Both made in chine. HDD seagate made in > Chine > DVD LG (actually TST Corp - Chine - which makes ALL indian sold DVDs for pc > and almost all the dvd players). Runs on Branded os named Debian. Arrgh the > disk crashed (due to the stupid MSEB) so I have a temp disk with Ubuntu, But > will be switching to my favourite as soon as I get time. > Projector Benq Good work. >> 11. Laptop 14" and above. > No name chinese Screen printed Iballs. 2002 to present. Battery gone and a > bit > tattered, having toured India with assorted engineers. But working very well. > >> 12. Mobile Phone in smart phone category. > iPhone duplicate LOL made in China. worked for 3 years. Until the battery > looked like a pregnant pig. It is working even now with the charger > connected. But I switched over to Samsung Galaxy Y the cheapest phone > (Rs.6700) that I can get rid of android and use cyanogen. These clones are not like the original. A friend of mine had it and knew it was no way like the original. It was just a fun purchase. A client of mine was very impressed by the original iphone of a European visitor so he ordered one ;-) from the timesofindia ads for about 5K or 6K . After the initial disappointment of reality dawning on him, it even developed problems and he had a harrowing time getting warranty support. >> 13. Game console if any. >> >> 14. Tablet PCs 10" or above. (Don't include 7" ones) > 10" noname chinese. But only one sample. Lots of 7" noname chinese with > Debian > Squeeze at my office. 10" tablets and netbooks coming soooon. With Android or > Debian. Hmm. >> 15. Printers or All-in-Ones. > Printer HP. Earlier Epson 132 col all chinese components > and made in China. > all in one HAHAHA. Made by mostly anonymous my wife and I. The damned thing > would kick ass even now. Worked from 1991 to 1997. Was retired fully working. > In 2006 I opened the thing, to discover the lithium battery had leaked and > chewed up the PCB. > BUT the ccd sensor and printhead was Kyocera Japan. stepper motors Epson > Japan, CPU Zilog Z80. FPGA Altera taiwan, Mobo no name Taiwan AMD SX386. > Passives Keltron/Philips. PCB Indian. Software Indian. Ofcourse in 1991 it > wasnt China ( it's a bit complicated but we will let that pass) but Taiwan > and Korea which were the least cost guys. > >> >> Thanks for your cooperation and inputs in advance. > As you can seethe noname brands work very well, infact better than the > branded > stuff most of the time. And the branded stuff ALL - 100% of them - made in > China with chinese components. > > In japan a Sony product made in Japan costs more tha twice as much as the > same > model made in China. Japan is the only place where the Japanese brands also > sell made in Japan stuff. some people - mostly japanese - will buy only made > in Japan. > > Get over your hangover that Brands mean anything more than the T & A show > plastered on tv and hoardings. It is the biggest con game going around. Small > wonder that several nordic countries fine you in the millions for any ad > targeted at kids. As mentioned earlier, I am not a fan of branded products, I am only considering them a safe bet when spending hard earned money on something expensive and bought once in many years. As an electronics service engineer, since 1988 I have been doing field visit to homes and offices of people of all income groups, even shanties in Mumbai and inside Maharashtra and Gujarat and the general psychology of the customer is to buy stuff that will give peace of mind after purchase. If the neighbours and relatives are using a particular brand, they will use it too. If the brand is foreign and expensive in the official channels, they will try the grey market (Sony, National, Panasonic). The neighbourhood electronics dealer also plays an important role in monopoly of a brand in a particular area. Chinese goods really have a low price compared to the branded ones but it is purely for economic reasons that general people go for them. They are well aware of brands. It is just like the first automobile that one buys for low price and then as time progresses, the vehicle gets bigger and more expensive, more wheels. Like India, China too has good manufacturers along with the baddies but for various reasons the overall record of Chinese goods quality in India has been dismal and it is always a risky gamble, until some drastic improvements take place in their quality assurance. -- Freedom is a shared resource. Take some, leave the rest for others. Please trim your replies. Avoid cross posting to other lists. Post your replies below the relevant original text, leaving a line space. Regards, Rony. http://ronybill.blogspot.com/ -- http://mm.ilug-bom.org.in/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
