Dino, We join you in your agreement that Google is not completely open as Google themselves will state this plainly (i.e., a lot more than honey comb).
Furthermore, I was not saying people should stop using android. To the contrary, I was saying that M$ threatening phone OEMs with patent infringement is not going to keep me from using a Linux based phone, especially when you consider the alternatives. chris... On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:12 PM, Dino K <socalli...@cloudcomp.info> wrote: > I just think it's funny that both of you who are such staunch linux > supporters have excuses for not using Android devices... > While I agree that Google is not completely open, (ie no source for > Honeycomb yet), you guys should just shut your mouths about Android and stop > making excuses for not using Android. > -DK > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Chris Penn <cantorm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I have posted about this on various social networks. I think it is >> wrong that Micro$oft is making money off of android with their FUD and >> patent scare tactics, however, at the end of the day, android runs on >> Linux. M$ is threatening these companies and I am not going to stop >> using Linux just because the companies are folding to the M$ pressure. >> The problem is with the system these companies are working within. >> Patents are the real problem and as long as the courts recognize >> software patents these types of threats will be viable, IMO. >> >> ten Android firms pay M$ royalties >> >> http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/370696/microsoft-ten-android-firms-pay-us-royalties >> >> Half of all Android device makers pay patent royalties to Microsoft. >> >> http://www.neowin.net/news/half-of-all-android-devices-have-entered-into-patent-agreements-with-microsoft >> >> Google >> >> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-Is-Sitting-Idly-by-as-Microsoft-Makes-Even-More-Money-from-Android-229616.shtml >> >> The interesting thing about this is that M$ is not attacking Google >> directly which puts the android creators in an awkward position. I >> think Google is restraining themselves IMO because once they jump in >> the game M$ may launch a case against Google for knowingly conspiring >> to infringe on M$ patents, resulting in triple the fines and falling >> stock prices in a bad economy. When/If M$ attacks Google directly the >> FOSS community will probably get more involved. For now I think the >> FOSS community is just reporting the royalties; what else can they do? >> >> Chris... >> >> This is wrong and these companies should definitely be doing something >> to stop it. >> >> Chris... >> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:14 PM, David Kaiser <dkai...@cdk.com> wrote: >> > Over the past 2 years, I've had various discussions about my opinions on >> > why I don't use Android, primarily being issues of usability and the >> > design of the Android OS being non "open" as compared to a Desktop >> > distribution. >> > >> > Well, forget those two cases, I now think my main argument is >> > officially changed. >> > >> > The primary reason to not use Android now is... Microsoft. >> > >> > Read this entire article: >> > http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/79179 >> > >> > Microsoft makes more money from patent licensing into Android >> > manufacturers than it does on Windows Mobile. >> > >> > >> > Barnes & Noble distributes the Nook Color and Nook Tablet, >> > Android-based tablet/e-book devices. Well, Barnes & Noble has refused >> > to roll over and be extorted by Microsoft over patents. Read the >> > groklaw.net articles and see the details. >> > http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296 >> > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20111111121548972 >> > >> > (From groklaw article...): "Barnes & Noble asserts that Microsoft is >> > attempting "to use patents to drive open source software out of the >> > market," saying it, in essence, is acting like a patent troll, >> > threatening companies using Android with a destructive and >> > anticompetitive choice: pay Microsoft exorbitant rates for patents, some >> > trivial and others ridiculously invalid or clearly not infringed, or >> > spend a fortune on litigation." >> > >> > So, while I'm not a Nook owner (and not much into portable digital book >> > reading...) I will be a Barnes & Noble fan and customer for life if they >> > stand by these claims and either cause the USPTO to reform the patent >> > system, or cause the DOJ to investigate Microsoft seriously. >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > LinuxUsers mailing list >> > LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >> > http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem to >> be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." >> -Roger Penrose >> _______________________________________________ >> LinuxUsers mailing list >> LinuxUsers@socallinux.org >> http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers > > > _______________________________________________ > LinuxUsers mailing list > LinuxUsers@socallinux.org > http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers > > -- "As we open our newspapers or watch our television screens, we seem to be continually assaulted by the fruits of Mankind's stupidity." -Roger Penrose _______________________________________________ LinuxUsers mailing list LinuxUsers@socallinux.org http://socallinux.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linuxusers
