If I'm going to continue on this thread I must apologize.... I'm not a 'big boy'. I can't use big words like 'polymorphism, inheritance, or encapsulation'. So, I'll do my best to make an intelligible argument worthy of a seasoned 'OO' programmer.
If CF was ever truly meant to be another VisualAge, SmallTalk, Java, or .NET....then it wouldn't have been created by a couple of Perl Programmers that were just trying to save time developing dynamic websites. (I remember owning the ObjectSpace T-shirt......"where SmallTalk is more than just a social skill" back in the mid-90's. It's funny...the more things change, the more they stay the same. Back then, Java architects were the elitists) In any event, there are certain tools you use for certain jobs...and CF has been the best for years for the space it was intended. The people that dispute this are the ones who are intellectually dishonest, ignorant, or, for some inexplicable reason, LIKE favoring monopolies. Regarding .NET capabilities....I'm well aware of what it can do. The problem is, how much of that functionality does one need when solving the incredibly complex puzzle that is an http request for some content from a database? I invite you to wiki Occam's Razor for more. Granted, the presentation layer and data interchanges have got a bit more convoluted over the years, but, this pretty much sums up the plight of the internet realm...tcp/ip is not complicated. These platforms are not so far apart. They both use HEFTY runtimes, they both have decent IDE's, their presentation layers are getting slicker and slicker, and they both have healthy support from devoted followers. The difference? Oh yeah...one ONLY works on Microsoft Operating Systems (server, that is...although, one could argue many of the client components only work in IE as well). This is what I'm fundamentally opposed to...well, that and somebody comin' in bashing CF on a CF mailing list. Truth is, I've seen more traction were I work in the .NET realm....and have had to deliver said solutions. And while this may please the masses of Vista devotees out there, the truth is, it's an unfortunate shift in what used to be a very diversified and competitive space which will lead to greater dependence on a single entity that can diminish creativity, increase risk, and eventually cause a destructive and costly revolt (American Tobacco Company, 1890, ATT, 1982; Russia, 1917). Over-reacting? Hang on, let me ping a few friends.... "Novell!?" "We're collaborating with Bill now...leave us alone!" "Borland!?" "Where'd all our employees go?" (1997) "Netscape!?" "Leave me alone and let me build my portal! Oh! And we still have a browser!" "Corel?!" "Hey! I'm really glad Bill sent us that $135 million dollar check to stay away from Linux! We were about to go under!" (2001) PHP Anyone? -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillip Holmes Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 11:48 PM To: Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc. Rick & Johnny, My intent was not to inflame or be flamed. It was simply to offer my personal opinion. Johnny- I started one of the first Allaire Alliance Partnerships in Texas (Josh Dowdell was the first I think). That should speak for itself. I was in denial for years about .NET's capabilities over CF as I was mostly uneducated about how advanced the language actually was. I associated .NET with Front Page, Visual Interdev or other M$ products. I had clients that wanted .NET that I tried to evangelize to CF, and wound up losing them entirely. I understand how some feel about this topic and want to just say that I hope your employer never puts you in a position in which you have to migrate away from CFusion and that you can exist in a perfect little ColdFusion development bubble in which you never have to dirty your hands with an other language that may violate your purist ideals, for all eternity, Amen. Good luck! Phillip On 11/5/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *LOL* i know how you feel. i think the CF vs. the world topic pops up every 3-6 months and i think i'll abstain the next time since it's pretty much all been said. > _______________________________________________ Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list List Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.HostMySite.com www.teksystems.com/ _______________________________________________ Reply to DFWCFUG: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists1.safesecureweb.com/mailman/listinfo/list List Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40list.dfwcfug.org/ http://www.mail-archive.com/list%40dfwcfug.org/ DFWCFUG Sponsors: www.HostMySite.com www.teksystems.com/
