Ack! But I'm new to the list and I have really appreciated following this thread. My little company is always looking for a new language that will allow us to increase or speed of development, etc., etc. ColdFusion is where we landed a long time ago, but we still seek out new information. Recently, we've been taking a hard look at Flex. We like it's FoxPro-style point and click to create the UI. I spend 80% of my time writing UI code when I could be spending that time writing business logic.

This thread has been really, really interesting to read. I really appreciate all those who have participated. I hope it continues as long as there are valid points to make or to be debated. :o)

Chris

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*LOL*  i know how you feel.  i think the CF vs. the world topic pops up every 3-6 months and i think i'll abstain the next time since it's pretty much all been said.


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Sent: Sun 11/5/2006 11:03 PM
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New topic anyone?  This stuff never ends....I just didn't want the 'big boy'
comment to go unchecked.



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True, but name-calling doesn't lend credibility.


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Johnny Thompson
Sent: Sun 11/5/2006 10:12 PM
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including me too, right?
 
I'm just callin' it like I see it.

  _____  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Eric Knipp
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc.


Hey come on, relax.  Lets not turn this into a flame war.  Everybody is
entitled to their opinion.


On 11/5/06, Johnny Thompson <  <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


For almost 11 long years, we've been watching the
_vbscript_/ActiveX/ASP/COM/DCOM/J++/VB/VC++/ASP.NET/VB.NET/C# disciples tell
us our little scripting language isn't for Big Boys.

Hmm....

Stop drinking the friggin' Kool-Aid, GatesLover....

Why do you think M$FT tried to acquire Allaire?  Because it was solid
technology THEN and it's still great today.  All of the things M$FT says
their languages can do in web application development, CF has been doing for
years......and then some.

Kinda like that IE7 "tabbed windows" feature.  Wow....i've enjoyed that for
the last 2 years....with firefox.

Face it, M$FT is the king of imitation, which is always quite flattering
(and profitable), but NEVER innovative.

And what's this FREE crap?  The last time I checked, the operating system
and database licenses for those 50 servers you mentioned would have drowned
the price of CF...


I thought this was the DFW CFUG Mailing List....go away, Redmond Homer.


...and for the record, I love my XP Pro Desktop OS....something M$FT is 
pretty good at.
Leave the server operating systems to the real big boys...UNIX.




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<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Christopher
Jordan
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 9:15 PM
To: Dallas/Fort Worth ColdFusion User Group Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [DFW CFUG] Why Cold Fusion vs Java? vs PHP? vs .ASP? etc.


  
Part of the problem is that the price of the CF server is associated with
    
perceived value.  If they give it away for free or a low price, it may be 
deemed a product of poor quality for the enterprise.  If they price it as an
enterprise-level product, it's going to scare away people who could
potentially use it for smaller-scale projects.
  
    
Hmm... sort of a catch twenty-two, huh?
  
.NET is a fully blown OO language.. its big boy stuff compared to a
kinda (borderline) OO CF. Nothing about .NET should be associated with
idiots. You need to understand OO to effectively use it. You can shoot 
yourself in the foot with it, but since the langauge is precompiled,
you're warned syntax issues by an increbibly useful and feature rich
Visual Studio IDE. Not to mention the fact that you can easily pop out 
a variety of application types (like windows aps) after you get the
hang of it.


    
I don't like thinking about the code that I write as "little boy" stuff.
But, I'm interested in what  you said about the language being precompiled. 
Are .Net applications (web applications) precompiled? I know that desktop
applications, like Paint.Net (which I love, btw), are compiled programs...
but what about web applications written using the .Net framework -- 
presumably written in something like C#, right?

Chris

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