@Jonathan,
I don't mind adding my thoughts, but I don't think it's relevant to
statistical data. Keep stats, drop this interrupting dialog. I don't
think it should even be mentioned. Just another dialog to dismiss
every-single-time I install.
-Tres
- [email protected]
On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Tres Finocchiaro <
[email protected]> wrote:
> I still strongly advise against it. Photoshop doesn't do this. Pidgin
> doesn't do this. VirtualBox doesn't do this. This is reminiscent of a 90s
> computing culture that people don't want.
>
> My son is 3 yrs old and he instinctively closes pop-ups that interrupt
> what he's doing. I've opened the software to us it, not to be bothered
> with dialogs. He has that mentality at 3. It's bothersome and just wastes
> time.
>
> Let people click and discover, not read text.
>
> Less dialogs is better, always. I vote to never, ever show this at startup
> or otherwise (sorry if this comes off as harsh, but it's terrible UI)
>
> -Tres
>
> - [email protected]
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jonathan Aquilina <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> That was what I was referring to.
>>
>> On Friday 17 January 2014 16:37:16 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
>> > Can't this be solved by adding a "[ ] Don't show these tips at startup"
>> > option in the Tip dialog window?
>> >
>> >
>> > 2014/1/17 Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]>
>> >
>> > > There is a help area in the bottom left of Ableton which is absolutely
>> > > crucial to it's success as a DAW. Tips of the day are intrusive and
>> > > remind
>> > > me of poorly developed applications from the 90s.
>> > >
>> > > I vote a strong no to this and would prefer a hover-over help
>> description
>> > > area, with shortcut explanations, like Ableton. Tips of the day on
>> > > Facebook are fantastic, but please please don't make me close more
>> dialogs
>> > > to get work done.
>> > >
>> > > It's reminiscent of Clippy (Microsoft Office) and I strongly
>> discourage
>> > > against it.
>> > >
>> > > -Tres
>> > >
>> > > - [email protected]
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Tobiasz Karoń <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>> > >> Done.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> 2014/1/17 Jonathan Aquilina <[email protected]>
>> > >>
>> > >>> I think that this can still be applied right now with out the data.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> We could provide some really basic tips like shortcuts etc. It is a
>> very
>> > >>> good
>> > >>> idea. We need to make sure that the user though with these popups
>> can
>> > >>> have
>> > >>> them not be displayed at startup if the so desire.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Can you file a enhancement request in the tracker please.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On Friday 17 January 2014 15:20:21 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
>> > >>> > As I mentioned in "Collecting anonymous statistical data" thread,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> seeing
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > what features of the program are not used by the users could help
>> us
>> > >>> > display a proper Tip of The Day to make sure the user will learn
>> > >>>
>> > >>> something
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > new, not read how to save files, if he does it 20 times a week.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > We'd need a list of features that would both be accesed by the
>> > >>>
>> > >>> statistic
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > gathering system as well as the tips.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > If every feature has a unique ID umber, we could then add a
>> > >>> > reportUse(featureID) function that would add a log about what was
>> > >>>
>> > >>> launched
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > when.
>> > >>> > We could have a simple text (CSV) file with:
>> > >>> > featureID; featureName; featureTipTitle;
>> featureTipContent;<newline>
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Example file contents:
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > *000001;* "File > Open..."; "Loading project using main program
>> menu";
>> > >>>
>> > >>> "You
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > can load an existing project using the main menu. Select "File"
>> and
>> > >>>
>> > >>> then
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > "Open..." in the new submenut that appears. Then use the file
>> browser
>> > >>>
>> > >>> to
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > pick the project file you want to load. Press <enter> or click
>> <Open>
>> > >>> > button. Wait until the project loading is complete and you're
>> ready to
>> > >>> > continue previous work!";<newline>
>> > >>> > *000002;* "Main Toolbar > Open"; "Loading project using main
>> toolbar
>> > >>> > button"; "You can load an existing project using the main
>> toolbar. Use
>> > >>>
>> > >>> the
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > Open File button. Then with the file browser - pick the project
>> file
>> > >>>
>> > >>> you
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > want to load. Press <enter> or click <Open> button. Wait until the
>> > >>>
>> > >>> project
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > loading is complete and you're ready to continue previous
>> > >>>
>> > >>> work!";<newline>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > <...>
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > *000213*; "Drag+Ctrl in Sequencer"; "Dragging Sequencer clips
>> > >>>
>> > >>> overriding
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > the bar grid"; "You can move (or resize) a clip in the Sequencer
>> by
>> > >>> > fraction of a bar. First click on a clip with Left Mouse Button
>> and
>> > >>>
>> > >>> hold
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > it, then start dragging the clip and finally - press and hold Ctrl
>> > >>>
>> > >>> key. The
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > same can be done for changing the clip's length - just click on
>> the
>> > >>>
>> > >>> right
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > edge of a clip instead of it's body.";
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > The Tip of The Day function should sort the features by usage.
>> Then
>> > >>>
>> > >>> make a
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > list of top X less used features in the last time frame (say: 90
>> days)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> and
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > randomly pick one from there. It should log that a tip was
>> displayed
>> > >>>
>> > >>> at a
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > given date to not repeat itself until all other possibilities are
>> > >>>
>> > >>> already
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > exploited - showing a tip and getting user's "I got this" click in
>> > >>> > it's
>> > >>> > window should be counted as a use of the feature to make it go
>> lower
>> > >>> > in
>> > >>> > sorting.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Also users should be able to click "Useful (+1)" or "Useless
>> (-1)" for
>> > >>>
>> > >>> each
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > tip - and developers will then see the feedback for tips. The tips
>> > >>>
>> > >>> which
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > have "top useless" score should be revisited and changed.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > I can offer my help in writing the tips and start the feature
>> list,
>> > >>>
>> > >>> however
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > I'll need some help with this and we should design this with the
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Reporting
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > Anonymous Statistical Data system in mind.
>> > >>> >
>> > >>> > Also designing the feedback system and how developers see it's
>> input
>> > >>>
>> > >>> form
>> > >>>
>> > >>> > users is out of my scope now - if anyone has ideas how it can be
>> done,
>> > >>> > please rise you hand.
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Tobiasz *unfa*
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