Ok I see this is true indeed. I sometimes read the Tips, but rarely and
they hardly ever seem to be worth the time.
I think it could be different if they appeared rarely and only after say 50
program runs to show something really useful that was proven the user don't
do. However it is still the program trying to be smarter than the user and
it's not polite for a dumb piece if computer code...
I guess we need tooltips and a keyboard shortcut cheat sheet accessible
offline inside the program under Help menu. So users can access it on
demand without being annoyed and disturbed.
The shortcuts need to be explained, I still don't know all of them, even
thought I managed to make 7 hours of music with this program.
The function list with uniqe IDs and names still seems needed for
statistics.
On 17 Jan 2014 22:22, "Jonathan Aquilina" <[email protected]> wrote:
> I marked the issue in the tracker as invalid and closed it seeing as there
> is
> alot of negative feedback against something like this.
>
> On Friday 17 January 2014 14:36:14 Tres Finocchiaro wrote:
> > I still strongly advise against it. Photoshop doesn't do this. Pidgin
> > doesn't do this. VirtualBox doesn't do this. This is reminiscent of a
> 90s
> > computing culture that people don't want.
> >
> > My son is 3 yrs old and he instinctively closes pop-ups that interrupt
> what
> > he's doing. I've opened the software to us it, not to be bothered with
> > dialogs. He has that mentality at 3. It's bothersome and just wastes
> time.
> >
> > Let people click and discover, not read text.
> >
> > Less dialogs is better, always. I vote to never, ever show this at
> startup
> > or otherwise (sorry if this comes off as harsh, but it's terrible UI)
> >
> > -Tres
> >
> > - [email protected]
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
> >
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
> > > That was what I was referring to.
> > >
> > > On Friday 17 January 2014 16:37:16 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
> > > > Can't this be solved by adding a "[ ] Don't show these tips at
> startup"
> > > > option in the Tip dialog window?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2014/1/17 Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]>
> > > >
> > > > > There is a help area in the bottom left of Ableton which is
> absolutely
> > > > > crucial to it's success as a DAW. Tips of the day are intrusive
> and
> > > > > remind
> > > > > me of poorly developed applications from the 90s.
> > > > >
> > > > > I vote a strong no to this and would prefer a hover-over help
> > >
> > > description
> > >
> > > > > area, with shortcut explanations, like Ableton. Tips of the day on
> > > > > Facebook are fantastic, but please please don't make me close more
> > >
> > > dialogs
> > >
> > > > > to get work done.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's reminiscent of Clippy (Microsoft Office) and I strongly
> > > > > discourage
> > > > > against it.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Tres
> > > > >
> > > > > - [email protected]
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Tobiasz Karoń <[email protected]>
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > > >> Done.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 2014/1/17 Jonathan Aquilina <[email protected]>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I think that this can still be applied right now with out the
> data.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> We could provide some really basic tips like shortcuts etc. It
> is a
> > >
> > > very
> > >
> > > > >>> good
> > > > >>> idea. We need to make sure that the user though with these popups
> > > > >>> can
> > > > >>> have
> > > > >>> them not be displayed at startup if the so desire.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Can you file a enhancement request in the tracker please.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> On Friday 17 January 2014 15:20:21 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
> > > > >>> > As I mentioned in "Collecting anonymous statistical data"
> thread,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> seeing
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > what features of the program are not used by the users could
> help
> > >
> > > us
> > >
> > > > >>> > display a proper Tip of The Day to make sure the user will
> learn
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> something
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > new, not read how to save files, if he does it 20 times a week.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > We'd need a list of features that would both be accesed by the
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> statistic
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > gathering system as well as the tips.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > If every feature has a unique ID umber, we could then add a
> > > > >>> > reportUse(featureID) function that would add a log about what
> was
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> launched
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > when.
> > > > >>> > We could have a simple text (CSV) file with:
> > > > >>> > featureID; featureName; featureTipTitle;
> > >
> > > featureTipContent;<newline>
> > >
> > > > >>> > Example file contents:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > *000001;* "File > Open..."; "Loading project using main program
> > >
> > > menu";
> > >
> > > > >>> "You
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > can load an existing project using the main menu. Select "File"
> > > > >>> > and
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> then
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > "Open..." in the new submenut that appears. Then use the file
> > >
> > > browser
> > >
> > > > >>> to
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > pick the project file you want to load. Press <enter> or click
> > >
> > > <Open>
> > >
> > > > >>> > button. Wait until the project loading is complete and you're
> > >
> > > ready to
> > >
> > > > >>> > continue previous work!";<newline>
> > > > >>> > *000002;* "Main Toolbar > Open"; "Loading project using main
> > >
> > > toolbar
> > >
> > > > >>> > button"; "You can load an existing project using the main
> toolbar.
> > >
> > > Use
> > >
> > > > >>> the
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > Open File button. Then with the file browser - pick the project
> > >
> > > file
> > >
> > > > >>> you
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > want to load. Press <enter> or click <Open> button. Wait until
> the
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> project
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > loading is complete and you're ready to continue previous
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> work!";<newline>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > <...>
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > *000213*; "Drag+Ctrl in Sequencer"; "Dragging Sequencer clips
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> overriding
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > the bar grid"; "You can move (or resize) a clip in the
> Sequencer
> > > > >>> > by
> > > > >>> > fraction of a bar. First click on a clip with Left Mouse Button
> > > > >>> > and
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> hold
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > it, then start dragging the clip and finally - press and hold
> Ctrl
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> key. The
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > same can be done for changing the clip's length - just click on
> > > > >>> > the
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> right
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > edge of a clip instead of it's body.";
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > The Tip of The Day function should sort the features by usage.
> > > > >>> > Then
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> make a
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > list of top X less used features in the last time frame (say:
> 90
> > >
> > > days)
> > >
> > > > >>> and
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > randomly pick one from there. It should log that a tip was
> > >
> > > displayed
> > >
> > > > >>> at a
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > given date to not repeat itself until all other possibilities
> are
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> already
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > exploited - showing a tip and getting user's "I got this"
> click in
> > > > >>> > it's
> > > > >>> > window should be counted as a use of the feature to make it go
> > >
> > > lower
> > >
> > > > >>> > in
> > > > >>> > sorting.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Also users should be able to click "Useful (+1)" or "Useless
> (-1)"
> > >
> > > for
> > >
> > > > >>> each
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > tip - and developers will then see the feedback for tips. The
> tips
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> which
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > have "top useless" score should be revisited and changed.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > I can offer my help in writing the tips and start the feature
> > > > >>> > list,
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> however
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > I'll need some help with this and we should design this with
> the
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Reporting
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > Anonymous Statistical Data system in mind.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Also designing the feedback system and how developers see it's
> > >
> > > input
> > >
> > > > >>> form
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > users is out of my scope now - if anyone has ideas how it can
> be
> > >
> > > done,
> > >
> > > > >>> > please rise you hand.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Tobiasz *unfa*
> > > > >>
> > > > >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
> > > > >> Version: 3.1
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> > >
> > > W++>$
> > >
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> > > > >> tv
> > > > >> b+>+++ DI>+ D+ G e h-->- !r y--()
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