I marked the issue in the tracker as invalid and closed it seeing as there is alot of negative feedback against something like this.
On Friday 17 January 2014 14:36:14 Tres Finocchiaro wrote: > I still strongly advise against it. Photoshop doesn't do this. Pidgin > doesn't do this. VirtualBox doesn't do this. This is reminiscent of a 90s > computing culture that people don't want. > > My son is 3 yrs old and he instinctively closes pop-ups that interrupt what > he's doing. I've opened the software to us it, not to be bothered with > dialogs. He has that mentality at 3. It's bothersome and just wastes time. > > Let people click and discover, not read text. > > Less dialogs is better, always. I vote to never, ever show this at startup > or otherwise (sorry if this comes off as harsh, but it's terrible UI) > > -Tres > > - [email protected] > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jonathan Aquilina > > <[email protected]>wrote: > > That was what I was referring to. > > > > On Friday 17 January 2014 16:37:16 Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > > > Can't this be solved by adding a "[ ] Don't show these tips at startup" > > > option in the Tip dialog window? > > > > > > > > > 2014/1/17 Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]> > > > > > > > There is a help area in the bottom left of Ableton which is absolutely > > > > crucial to it's success as a DAW. Tips of the day are intrusive and > > > > remind > > > > me of poorly developed applications from the 90s. > > > > > > > > I vote a strong no to this and would prefer a hover-over help > > > > description > > > > > > area, with shortcut explanations, like Ableton. Tips of the day on > > > > Facebook are fantastic, but please please don't make me close more > > > > dialogs > > > > > > to get work done. > > > > > > > > It's reminiscent of Clippy (Microsoft Office) and I strongly > > > > discourage > > > > against it. > > > > > > > > -Tres > > > > > > > > - [email protected] > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Tobiasz Karoń <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > >> Done. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> 2014/1/17 Jonathan Aquilina <[email protected]> > > > >> > > > >>> I think that this can still be applied right now with out the data. > > > >>> > > > >>> We could provide some really basic tips like shortcuts etc. It is a > > > > very > > > > > >>> good > > > >>> idea. We need to make sure that the user though with these popups > > > >>> can > > > >>> have > > > >>> them not be displayed at startup if the so desire. > > > >>> > > > >>> Can you file a enhancement request in the tracker please. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Friday 17 January 2014 15:20:21 Tobiasz Karoń wrote: > > > >>> > As I mentioned in "Collecting anonymous statistical data" thread, > > > >>> > > > >>> seeing > > > >>> > > > >>> > what features of the program are not used by the users could help > > > > us > > > > > >>> > display a proper Tip of The Day to make sure the user will learn > > > >>> > > > >>> something > > > >>> > > > >>> > new, not read how to save files, if he does it 20 times a week. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > We'd need a list of features that would both be accesed by the > > > >>> > > > >>> statistic > > > >>> > > > >>> > gathering system as well as the tips. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > If every feature has a unique ID umber, we could then add a > > > >>> > reportUse(featureID) function that would add a log about what was > > > >>> > > > >>> launched > > > >>> > > > >>> > when. > > > >>> > We could have a simple text (CSV) file with: > > > >>> > featureID; featureName; featureTipTitle; > > > > featureTipContent;<newline> > > > > > >>> > Example file contents: > > > >>> > > > > >>> > *000001;* "File > Open..."; "Loading project using main program > > > > menu"; > > > > > >>> "You > > > >>> > > > >>> > can load an existing project using the main menu. Select "File" > > > >>> > and > > > >>> > > > >>> then > > > >>> > > > >>> > "Open..." in the new submenut that appears. Then use the file > > > > browser > > > > > >>> to > > > >>> > > > >>> > pick the project file you want to load. Press <enter> or click > > > > <Open> > > > > > >>> > button. Wait until the project loading is complete and you're > > > > ready to > > > > > >>> > continue previous work!";<newline> > > > >>> > *000002;* "Main Toolbar > Open"; "Loading project using main > > > > toolbar > > > > > >>> > button"; "You can load an existing project using the main toolbar. > > > > Use > > > > > >>> the > > > >>> > > > >>> > Open File button. Then with the file browser - pick the project > > > > file > > > > > >>> you > > > >>> > > > >>> > want to load. Press <enter> or click <Open> button. Wait until the > > > >>> > > > >>> project > > > >>> > > > >>> > loading is complete and you're ready to continue previous > > > >>> > > > >>> work!";<newline> > > > >>> > > > >>> > <...> > > > >>> > > > > >>> > *000213*; "Drag+Ctrl in Sequencer"; "Dragging Sequencer clips > > > >>> > > > >>> overriding > > > >>> > > > >>> > the bar grid"; "You can move (or resize) a clip in the Sequencer > > > >>> > by > > > >>> > fraction of a bar. First click on a clip with Left Mouse Button > > > >>> > and > > > >>> > > > >>> hold > > > >>> > > > >>> > it, then start dragging the clip and finally - press and hold Ctrl > > > >>> > > > >>> key. The > > > >>> > > > >>> > same can be done for changing the clip's length - just click on > > > >>> > the > > > >>> > > > >>> right > > > >>> > > > >>> > edge of a clip instead of it's body."; > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > The Tip of The Day function should sort the features by usage. > > > >>> > Then > > > >>> > > > >>> make a > > > >>> > > > >>> > list of top X less used features in the last time frame (say: 90 > > > > days) > > > > > >>> and > > > >>> > > > >>> > randomly pick one from there. It should log that a tip was > > > > displayed > > > > > >>> at a > > > >>> > > > >>> > given date to not repeat itself until all other possibilities are > > > >>> > > > >>> already > > > >>> > > > >>> > exploited - showing a tip and getting user's "I got this" click in > > > >>> > it's > > > >>> > window should be counted as a use of the feature to make it go > > > > lower > > > > > >>> > in > > > >>> > sorting. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Also users should be able to click "Useful (+1)" or "Useless (-1)" > > > > for > > > > > >>> each > > > >>> > > > >>> > tip - and developers will then see the feedback for tips. The tips > > > >>> > > > >>> which > > > >>> > > > >>> > have "top useless" score should be revisited and changed. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > I can offer my help in writing the tips and start the feature > > > >>> > list, > > > >>> > > > >>> however > > > >>> > > > >>> > I'll need some help with this and we should design this with the > > > >>> > > > >>> Reporting > > > >>> > > > >>> > Anonymous Statistical Data system in mind. > > > >>> > > > > >>> > Also designing the feedback system and how developers see it's > > > > input > > > > > >>> form > > > >>> > > > >>> > users is out of my scope now - if anyone has ideas how it can be > > > > done, > > > > > >>> > please rise you hand. > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Tobiasz *unfa* > > > >> > > > >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- > > > >> Version: 3.1 > > > >> GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? > > > > W++>$ > > > > > >> !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? 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