I completely agree with Tres. I personally hate those "Tip of the day" popups and click them away immediately without reading anything. For me they're just annoying. I have never seen a tip that really made say "ah, good to know". The only thing they do well is interrupting the user.
Lukas 2014/1/17 Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]>: > @Jonathan, > > I don't mind adding my thoughts, but I don't think it's relevant to > statistical data. Keep stats, drop this interrupting dialog. I don't think > it should even be mentioned. Just another dialog to dismiss > every-single-time I install. > > -Tres > > - [email protected] > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Tres Finocchiaro > <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I still strongly advise against it. Photoshop doesn't do this. Pidgin >> doesn't do this. VirtualBox doesn't do this. This is reminiscent of a 90s >> computing culture that people don't want. >> >> My son is 3 yrs old and he instinctively closes pop-ups that interrupt >> what he's doing. I've opened the software to us it, not to be bothered with >> dialogs. He has that mentality at 3. It's bothersome and just wastes time. >> >> Let people click and discover, not read text. >> >> Less dialogs is better, always. I vote to never, ever show this at startup >> or otherwise (sorry if this comes off as harsh, but it's terrible UI) >> >> -Tres >> >> - [email protected] >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jonathan Aquilina >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> That was what I was referring to. >>> >>> On Friday 17 January 2014 16:37:16 Tobiasz Karoń wrote: >>> > Can't this be solved by adding a "[ ] Don't show these tips at startup" >>> > option in the Tip dialog window? >>> > >>> > >>> > 2014/1/17 Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]> >>> > >>> > > There is a help area in the bottom left of Ableton which is >>> > > absolutely >>> > > crucial to it's success as a DAW. Tips of the day are intrusive and >>> > > remind >>> > > me of poorly developed applications from the 90s. >>> > > >>> > > I vote a strong no to this and would prefer a hover-over help >>> > > description >>> > > area, with shortcut explanations, like Ableton. Tips of the day on >>> > > Facebook are fantastic, but please please don't make me close more >>> > > dialogs >>> > > to get work done. >>> > > >>> > > It's reminiscent of Clippy (Microsoft Office) and I strongly >>> > > discourage >>> > > against it. >>> > > >>> > > -Tres >>> > > >>> > > - [email protected] >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Tobiasz Karoń <[email protected]> >>> > > wrote: >>> > >> Done. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> 2014/1/17 Jonathan Aquilina <[email protected]> >>> > >> >>> > >>> I think that this can still be applied right now with out the data. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> We could provide some really basic tips like shortcuts etc. It is a >>> > >>> very >>> > >>> good >>> > >>> idea. We need to make sure that the user though with these popups >>> > >>> can >>> > >>> have >>> > >>> them not be displayed at startup if the so desire. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Can you file a enhancement request in the tracker please. >>> > >>> >>> > >>> On Friday 17 January 2014 15:20:21 Tobiasz Karoń wrote: >>> > >>> > As I mentioned in "Collecting anonymous statistical data" thread, >>> > >>> >>> > >>> seeing >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > what features of the program are not used by the users could help >>> > >>> > us >>> > >>> > display a proper Tip of The Day to make sure the user will learn >>> > >>> >>> > >>> something >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > new, not read how to save files, if he does it 20 times a week. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > We'd need a list of features that would both be accesed by the >>> > >>> >>> > >>> statistic >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > gathering system as well as the tips. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > If every feature has a unique ID umber, we could then add a >>> > >>> > reportUse(featureID) function that would add a log about what was >>> > >>> >>> > >>> launched >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > when. >>> > >>> > We could have a simple text (CSV) file with: >>> > >>> > featureID; featureName; featureTipTitle; >>> > >>> > featureTipContent;<newline> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Example file contents: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *000001;* "File > Open..."; "Loading project using main program >>> > >>> > menu"; >>> > >>> >>> > >>> "You >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > can load an existing project using the main menu. Select "File" >>> > >>> > and >>> > >>> >>> > >>> then >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > "Open..." in the new submenut that appears. Then use the file >>> > >>> > browser >>> > >>> >>> > >>> to >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > pick the project file you want to load. Press <enter> or click >>> > >>> > <Open> >>> > >>> > button. Wait until the project loading is complete and you're >>> > >>> > ready to >>> > >>> > continue previous work!";<newline> >>> > >>> > *000002;* "Main Toolbar > Open"; "Loading project using main >>> > >>> > toolbar >>> > >>> > button"; "You can load an existing project using the main >>> > >>> > toolbar. Use >>> > >>> >>> > >>> the >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > Open File button. Then with the file browser - pick the project >>> > >>> > file >>> > >>> >>> > >>> you >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > want to load. Press <enter> or click <Open> button. Wait until >>> > >>> > the >>> > >>> >>> > >>> project >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > loading is complete and you're ready to continue previous >>> > >>> >>> > >>> work!";<newline> >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > <...> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *000213*; "Drag+Ctrl in Sequencer"; "Dragging Sequencer clips >>> > >>> >>> > >>> overriding >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > the bar grid"; "You can move (or resize) a clip in the Sequencer >>> > >>> > by >>> > >>> > fraction of a bar. First click on a clip with Left Mouse Button >>> > >>> > and >>> > >>> >>> > >>> hold >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > it, then start dragging the clip and finally - press and hold >>> > >>> > Ctrl >>> > >>> >>> > >>> key. The >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > same can be done for changing the clip's length - just click on >>> > >>> > the >>> > >>> >>> > >>> right >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > edge of a clip instead of it's body."; >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The Tip of The Day function should sort the features by usage. >>> > >>> > Then >>> > >>> >>> > >>> make a >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > list of top X less used features in the last time frame (say: 90 >>> > >>> > days) >>> > >>> >>> > >>> and >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > randomly pick one from there. It should log that a tip was >>> > >>> > displayed >>> > >>> >>> > >>> at a >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > given date to not repeat itself until all other possibilities are >>> > >>> >>> > >>> already >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > exploited - showing a tip and getting user's "I got this" click >>> > >>> > in >>> > >>> > it's >>> > >>> > window should be counted as a use of the feature to make it go >>> > >>> > lower >>> > >>> > in >>> > >>> > sorting. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Also users should be able to click "Useful (+1)" or "Useless >>> > >>> > (-1)" for >>> > >>> >>> > >>> each >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > tip - and developers will then see the feedback for tips. The >>> > >>> > tips >>> > >>> >>> > >>> which >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > have "top useless" score should be revisited and changed. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I can offer my help in writing the tips and start the feature >>> > >>> > list, >>> > >>> >>> > >>> however >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > I'll need some help with this and we should design this with the >>> > >>> >>> > >>> Reporting >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > Anonymous Statistical Data system in mind. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Also designing the feedback system and how developers see it's >>> > >>> > input >>> > >>> >>> > >>> form >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > users is out of my scope now - if anyone has ideas how it can be >>> > >>> > done, >>> > >>> > please rise you hand. >>> > >> >>> > >> -- >>> > >> Tobiasz *unfa* >>> > >> >>> > >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK----- >>> > >> Version: 3.1 >>> > >> GIT/MU/P d->-- s+:-(--)> a? C++(+++)>$ ULC+(++)>$ !P? L+++>++++$ E? >>> > >> W++>$ >>> > >> !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? 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