The stuff on Facebook had been fantastic and has had great review. People
go to Facebook to read stuff, so it's a proper channel and kudos to the
ones posting those (Stian or Josh I think), top notch.
The help area -- if done like Ableton -- is big enough for some bold
shortcuts and a brief description of what the component does. This is a
feature that becomes a game changer when learning a new interface, although
your videos (kudos to you) are fantastic information as well.
Bottom left:
http://drc0fhsrp02et.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Worship-loop-in-Ableton.png
Not saying this is of high priority, just saying if we do it, let's do it
right.
-Tres
On Jan 17, 2014 8:10 PM, "Tobiasz Karoń" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ok I see this is true indeed. I sometimes read the Tips, but rarely and
> they hardly ever seem to be worth the time.
> I think it could be different if they appeared rarely and only after say
> 50 program runs to show something really useful that was proven the user
> don't do. However it is still the program trying to be smarter than the
> user and it's not polite for a dumb piece if computer code...
>
> I guess we need tooltips and a keyboard shortcut cheat sheet accessible
> offline inside the program under Help menu. So users can access it on
> demand without being annoyed and disturbed.
> The shortcuts need to be explained, I still don't know all of them, even
> thought I managed to make 7 hours of music with this program.
>
> The function list with uniqe IDs and names still seems needed for
> statistics.
> On 17 Jan 2014 22:22, "Jonathan Aquilina" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I marked the issue in the tracker as invalid and closed it seeing as
>> there is
>> alot of negative feedback against something like this.
>>
>> On Friday 17 January 2014 14:36:14 Tres Finocchiaro wrote:
>> > I still strongly advise against it. Photoshop doesn't do this. Pidgin
>> > doesn't do this. VirtualBox doesn't do this. This is reminiscent of a
>> 90s
>> > computing culture that people don't want.
>> >
>> > My son is 3 yrs old and he instinctively closes pop-ups that interrupt
>> what
>> > he's doing. I've opened the software to us it, not to be bothered with
>> > dialogs. He has that mentality at 3. It's bothersome and just wastes
>> time.
>> >
>> > Let people click and discover, not read text.
>> >
>> > Less dialogs is better, always. I vote to never, ever show this at
>> startup
>> > or otherwise (sorry if this comes off as harsh, but it's terrible UI)
>> >
>> > -Tres
>> >
>> > - [email protected]
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
>> >
>> > <[email protected]>wrote:
>> > > That was what I was referring to.
>> > >
>> > > On Friday 17 January 2014 16:37:16 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
>> > > > Can't this be solved by adding a "[ ] Don't show these tips at
>> startup"
>> > > > option in the Tip dialog window?
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > 2014/1/17 Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]>
>> > > >
>> > > > > There is a help area in the bottom left of Ableton which is
>> absolutely
>> > > > > crucial to it's success as a DAW. Tips of the day are intrusive
>> and
>> > > > > remind
>> > > > > me of poorly developed applications from the 90s.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I vote a strong no to this and would prefer a hover-over help
>> > >
>> > > description
>> > >
>> > > > > area, with shortcut explanations, like Ableton. Tips of the day
>> on
>> > > > > Facebook are fantastic, but please please don't make me close more
>> > >
>> > > dialogs
>> > >
>> > > > > to get work done.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It's reminiscent of Clippy (Microsoft Office) and I strongly
>> > > > > discourage
>> > > > > against it.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > -Tres
>> > > > >
>> > > > > - [email protected]
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Tobiasz Karoń <[email protected]>
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >> Done.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> 2014/1/17 Jonathan Aquilina <[email protected]>
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >>> I think that this can still be applied right now with out the
>> data.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> We could provide some really basic tips like shortcuts etc. It
>> is a
>> > >
>> > > very
>> > >
>> > > > >>> good
>> > > > >>> idea. We need to make sure that the user though with these
>> popups
>> > > > >>> can
>> > > > >>> have
>> > > > >>> them not be displayed at startup if the so desire.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Can you file a enhancement request in the tracker please.
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> On Friday 17 January 2014 15:20:21 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
>> > > > >>> > As I mentioned in "Collecting anonymous statistical data"
>> thread,
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> seeing
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > what features of the program are not used by the users could
>> help
>> > >
>> > > us
>> > >
>> > > > >>> > display a proper Tip of The Day to make sure the user will
>> learn
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> something
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > new, not read how to save files, if he does it 20 times a
>> week.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > We'd need a list of features that would both be accesed by the
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> statistic
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > gathering system as well as the tips.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > If every feature has a unique ID umber, we could then add a
>> > > > >>> > reportUse(featureID) function that would add a log about what
>> was
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> launched
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > when.
>> > > > >>> > We could have a simple text (CSV) file with:
>> > > > >>> > featureID; featureName; featureTipTitle;
>> > >
>> > > featureTipContent;<newline>
>> > >
>> > > > >>> > Example file contents:
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > *000001;* "File > Open..."; "Loading project using main
>> program
>> > >
>> > > menu";
>> > >
>> > > > >>> "You
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > can load an existing project using the main menu. Select
>> "File"
>> > > > >>> > and
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> then
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > "Open..." in the new submenut that appears. Then use the file
>> > >
>> > > browser
>> > >
>> > > > >>> to
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > pick the project file you want to load. Press <enter> or click
>> > >
>> > > <Open>
>> > >
>> > > > >>> > button. Wait until the project loading is complete and you're
>> > >
>> > > ready to
>> > >
>> > > > >>> > continue previous work!";<newline>
>> > > > >>> > *000002;* "Main Toolbar > Open"; "Loading project using main
>> > >
>> > > toolbar
>> > >
>> > > > >>> > button"; "You can load an existing project using the main
>> toolbar.
>> > >
>> > > Use
>> > >
>> > > > >>> the
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > Open File button. Then with the file browser - pick the
>> project
>> > >
>> > > file
>> > >
>> > > > >>> you
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > want to load. Press <enter> or click <Open> button. Wait
>> until the
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> project
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > loading is complete and you're ready to continue previous
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> work!";<newline>
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > <...>
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > *000213*; "Drag+Ctrl in Sequencer"; "Dragging Sequencer clips
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> overriding
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > the bar grid"; "You can move (or resize) a clip in the
>> Sequencer
>> > > > >>> > by
>> > > > >>> > fraction of a bar. First click on a clip with Left Mouse
>> Button
>> > > > >>> > and
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> hold
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > it, then start dragging the clip and finally - press and hold
>> Ctrl
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> key. The
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > same can be done for changing the clip's length - just click
>> on
>> > > > >>> > the
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> right
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > edge of a clip instead of it's body.";
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > The Tip of The Day function should sort the features by usage.
>> > > > >>> > Then
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> make a
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > list of top X less used features in the last time frame (say:
>> 90
>> > >
>> > > days)
>> > >
>> > > > >>> and
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > randomly pick one from there. It should log that a tip was
>> > >
>> > > displayed
>> > >
>> > > > >>> at a
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > given date to not repeat itself until all other possibilities
>> are
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> already
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > exploited - showing a tip and getting user's "I got this"
>> click in
>> > > > >>> > it's
>> > > > >>> > window should be counted as a use of the feature to make it go
>> > >
>> > > lower
>> > >
>> > > > >>> > in
>> > > > >>> > sorting.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > Also users should be able to click "Useful (+1)" or "Useless
>> (-1)"
>> > >
>> > > for
>> > >
>> > > > >>> each
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > tip - and developers will then see the feedback for tips. The
>> tips
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> which
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > have "top useless" score should be revisited and changed.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > I can offer my help in writing the tips and start the feature
>> > > > >>> > list,
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> however
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > I'll need some help with this and we should design this with
>> the
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> Reporting
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > Anonymous Statistical Data system in mind.
>> > > > >>> >
>> > > > >>> > Also designing the feedback system and how developers see it's
>> > >
>> > > input
>> > >
>> > > > >>> form
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> > users is out of my scope now - if anyone has ideas how it can
>> be
>> > >
>> > > done,
>> > >
>> > > > >>> > please rise you hand.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> --
>> > > > >> Tobiasz *unfa*
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> -----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK-----
>> > > > >> Version: 3.1
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>> E?
>> > >
>> > > W++>$
>> > >
>> > > > >> !N-? !o--? K-? !w-- O? !M-- V? PS++ PE++ !Y+ !PGP+? !t(+) 5? !X
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>> > > > >> tv
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