So it's a dedicated space to display context help messages? Sounds and
looks good.
On 18 Jan 2014 02:23, "Tres Finocchiaro" <[email protected]> wrote:
> The stuff on Facebook had been fantastic and has had great review. People
> go to Facebook to read stuff, so it's a proper channel and kudos to the
> ones posting those (Stian or Josh I think), top notch.
>
> The help area -- if done like Ableton -- is big enough for some bold
> shortcuts and a brief description of what the component does. This is a
> feature that becomes a game changer when learning a new interface, although
> your videos (kudos to you) are fantastic information as well.
>
> Bottom left:
>
> http://drc0fhsrp02et.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Worship-loop-in-Ableton.png
>
> Not saying this is of high priority, just saying if we do it, let's do it
> right.
>
> -Tres
> On Jan 17, 2014 8:10 PM, "Tobiasz Karoń" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Ok I see this is true indeed. I sometimes read the Tips, but rarely and
>> they hardly ever seem to be worth the time.
>> I think it could be different if they appeared rarely and only after say
>> 50 program runs to show something really useful that was proven the user
>> don't do. However it is still the program trying to be smarter than the
>> user and it's not polite for a dumb piece if computer code...
>>
>> I guess we need tooltips and a keyboard shortcut cheat sheet accessible
>> offline inside the program under Help menu. So users can access it on
>> demand without being annoyed and disturbed.
>> The shortcuts need to be explained, I still don't know all of them, even
>> thought I managed to make 7 hours of music with this program.
>>
>> The function list with uniqe IDs and names still seems needed for
>> statistics.
>> On 17 Jan 2014 22:22, "Jonathan Aquilina" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> I marked the issue in the tracker as invalid and closed it seeing as
>>> there is
>>> alot of negative feedback against something like this.
>>>
>>> On Friday 17 January 2014 14:36:14 Tres Finocchiaro wrote:
>>> > I still strongly advise against it. Photoshop doesn't do this. Pidgin
>>> > doesn't do this. VirtualBox doesn't do this. This is reminiscent of
>>> a 90s
>>> > computing culture that people don't want.
>>> >
>>> > My son is 3 yrs old and he instinctively closes pop-ups that interrupt
>>> what
>>> > he's doing. I've opened the software to us it, not to be bothered with
>>> > dialogs. He has that mentality at 3. It's bothersome and just wastes
>>> time.
>>> >
>>> > Let people click and discover, not read text.
>>> >
>>> > Less dialogs is better, always. I vote to never, ever show this at
>>> startup
>>> > or otherwise (sorry if this comes off as harsh, but it's terrible UI)
>>> >
>>> > -Tres
>>> >
>>> > - [email protected]
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
>>> >
>>> > <[email protected]>wrote:
>>> > > That was what I was referring to.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Friday 17 January 2014 16:37:16 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
>>> > > > Can't this be solved by adding a "[ ] Don't show these tips at
>>> startup"
>>> > > > option in the Tip dialog window?
>>> > > >
>>> > > >
>>> > > > 2014/1/17 Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]>
>>> > > >
>>> > > > > There is a help area in the bottom left of Ableton which is
>>> absolutely
>>> > > > > crucial to it's success as a DAW. Tips of the day are intrusive
>>> and
>>> > > > > remind
>>> > > > > me of poorly developed applications from the 90s.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > I vote a strong no to this and would prefer a hover-over help
>>> > >
>>> > > description
>>> > >
>>> > > > > area, with shortcut explanations, like Ableton. Tips of the day
>>> on
>>> > > > > Facebook are fantastic, but please please don't make me close
>>> more
>>> > >
>>> > > dialogs
>>> > >
>>> > > > > to get work done.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > It's reminiscent of Clippy (Microsoft Office) and I strongly
>>> > > > > discourage
>>> > > > > against it.
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > -Tres
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > - [email protected]
>>> > > > >
>>> > > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Tobiasz Karoń <[email protected]
>>> >
>>> > >
>>> > > wrote:
>>> > > > >> Done.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> 2014/1/17 Jonathan Aquilina <[email protected]>
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >>> I think that this can still be applied right now with out the
>>> data.
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> We could provide some really basic tips like shortcuts etc. It
>>> is a
>>> > >
>>> > > very
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> good
>>> > > > >>> idea. We need to make sure that the user though with these
>>> popups
>>> > > > >>> can
>>> > > > >>> have
>>> > > > >>> them not be displayed at startup if the so desire.
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> Can you file a enhancement request in the tracker please.
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> On Friday 17 January 2014 15:20:21 Tobiasz Karoń wrote:
>>> > > > >>> > As I mentioned in "Collecting anonymous statistical data"
>>> thread,
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> seeing
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > what features of the program are not used by the users could
>>> help
>>> > >
>>> > > us
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> > display a proper Tip of The Day to make sure the user will
>>> learn
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> something
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > new, not read how to save files, if he does it 20 times a
>>> week.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > We'd need a list of features that would both be accesed by
>>> the
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> statistic
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > gathering system as well as the tips.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > If every feature has a unique ID umber, we could then add a
>>> > > > >>> > reportUse(featureID) function that would add a log about
>>> what was
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> launched
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > when.
>>> > > > >>> > We could have a simple text (CSV) file with:
>>> > > > >>> > featureID; featureName; featureTipTitle;
>>> > >
>>> > > featureTipContent;<newline>
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> > Example file contents:
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > *000001;* "File > Open..."; "Loading project using main
>>> program
>>> > >
>>> > > menu";
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> "You
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > can load an existing project using the main menu. Select
>>> "File"
>>> > > > >>> > and
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> then
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > "Open..." in the new submenut that appears. Then use the file
>>> > >
>>> > > browser
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> to
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > pick the project file you want to load. Press <enter> or
>>> click
>>> > >
>>> > > <Open>
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> > button. Wait until the project loading is complete and you're
>>> > >
>>> > > ready to
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> > continue previous work!";<newline>
>>> > > > >>> > *000002;* "Main Toolbar > Open"; "Loading project using main
>>> > >
>>> > > toolbar
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> > button"; "You can load an existing project using the main
>>> toolbar.
>>> > >
>>> > > Use
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> the
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > Open File button. Then with the file browser - pick the
>>> project
>>> > >
>>> > > file
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> you
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > want to load. Press <enter> or click <Open> button. Wait
>>> until the
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> project
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > loading is complete and you're ready to continue previous
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> work!";<newline>
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > <...>
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > *000213*; "Drag+Ctrl in Sequencer"; "Dragging Sequencer clips
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> overriding
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > the bar grid"; "You can move (or resize) a clip in the
>>> Sequencer
>>> > > > >>> > by
>>> > > > >>> > fraction of a bar. First click on a clip with Left Mouse
>>> Button
>>> > > > >>> > and
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> hold
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > it, then start dragging the clip and finally - press and
>>> hold Ctrl
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> key. The
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > same can be done for changing the clip's length - just click
>>> on
>>> > > > >>> > the
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> right
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > edge of a clip instead of it's body.";
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > The Tip of The Day function should sort the features by
>>> usage.
>>> > > > >>> > Then
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> make a
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > list of top X less used features in the last time frame
>>> (say: 90
>>> > >
>>> > > days)
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> and
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > randomly pick one from there. It should log that a tip was
>>> > >
>>> > > displayed
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> at a
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > given date to not repeat itself until all other
>>> possibilities are
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> already
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > exploited - showing a tip and getting user's "I got this"
>>> click in
>>> > > > >>> > it's
>>> > > > >>> > window should be counted as a use of the feature to make it
>>> go
>>> > >
>>> > > lower
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> > in
>>> > > > >>> > sorting.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Also users should be able to click "Useful (+1)" or "Useless
>>> (-1)"
>>> > >
>>> > > for
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> each
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > tip - and developers will then see the feedback for tips.
>>> The tips
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> which
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > have "top useless" score should be revisited and changed.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > I can offer my help in writing the tips and start the feature
>>> > > > >>> > list,
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> however
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > I'll need some help with this and we should design this with
>>> the
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> Reporting
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > Anonymous Statistical Data system in mind.
>>> > > > >>> >
>>> > > > >>> > Also designing the feedback system and how developers see
>>> it's
>>> > >
>>> > > input
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> form
>>> > > > >>>
>>> > > > >>> > users is out of my scope now - if anyone has ideas how it
>>> can be
>>> > >
>>> > > done,
>>> > >
>>> > > > >>> > please rise you hand.
>>> > > > >>
>>> > > > >> --
>>> > > > >> Tobiasz *unfa*
>>> > > > >>
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