Instead of Tip of the Day, how about the background be made to have ALL
(or most) of the keyboard shortcuts. The user could keep the background
with all the handy info, or change it.
On 01/17/2014 07:10 PM, Tobiasz Karon' wrote:
Ok I see this is true indeed. I sometimes read the Tips, but rarely
and they hardly ever seem to be worth the time.
I think it could be different if they appeared rarely and only after
say 50 program runs to show something really useful that was proven
the user don't do. However it is still the program trying to be
smarter than the user and it's not polite for a dumb piece if computer
code...
I guess we need tooltips and a keyboard shortcut cheat sheet
accessible offline inside the program under Help menu. So users can
access it on demand without being annoyed and disturbed.
The shortcuts need to be explained, I still don't know all of them,
even thought I managed to make 7 hours of music with this program.
The function list with uniqe IDs and names still seems needed for
statistics.
On 17 Jan 2014 22:22, "Jonathan Aquilina" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I marked the issue in the tracker as invalid and closed it seeing
as there is
alot of negative feedback against something like this.
On Friday 17 January 2014 14:36:14 Tres Finocchiaro wrote:
> I still strongly advise against it. Photoshop doesn't do this.
Pidgin
> doesn't do this. VirtualBox doesn't do this. This is
reminiscent of a 90s
> computing culture that people don't want.
>
> My son is 3 yrs old and he instinctively closes pop-ups that
interrupt what
> he's doing. I've opened the software to us it, not to be
bothered with
> dialogs. He has that mentality at 3. It's bothersome and just
wastes time.
>
> Let people click and discover, not read text.
>
> Less dialogs is better, always. I vote to never, ever show this
at startup
> or otherwise (sorry if this comes off as harsh, but it's
terrible UI)
>
> -Tres
>
> - [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:41 AM, Jonathan Aquilina
>
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>wrote:
> > That was what I was referring to.
> >
> > On Friday 17 January 2014 16:37:16 Tobiasz Karon' wrote:
> > > Can't this be solved by adding a "[ ] Don't show these tips
at startup"
> > > option in the Tip dialog window?
> > >
> > >
> > > 2014/1/17 Tres Finocchiaro <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > >
> > > > There is a help area in the bottom left of Ableton which
is absolutely
> > > > crucial to it's success as a DAW. Tips of the day are
intrusive and
> > > > remind
> > > > me of poorly developed applications from the 90s.
> > > >
> > > > I vote a strong no to this and would prefer a hover-over help
> >
> > description
> >
> > > > area, with shortcut explanations, like Ableton. Tips of
the day on
> > > > Facebook are fantastic, but please please don't make me
close more
> >
> > dialogs
> >
> > > > to get work done.
> > > >
> > > > It's reminiscent of Clippy (Microsoft Office) and I strongly
> > > > discourage
> > > > against it.
> > > >
> > > > -Tres
> > > >
> > > > - [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Tobiasz Karon'
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > >> Done.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> 2014/1/17 Jonathan Aquilina <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>>
> > > >>
> > > >>> I think that this can still be applied right now with
out the data.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> We could provide some really basic tips like shortcuts
etc. It is a
> >
> > very
> >
> > > >>> good
> > > >>> idea. We need to make sure that the user though with
these popups
> > > >>> can
> > > >>> have
> > > >>> them not be displayed at startup if the so desire.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Can you file a enhancement request in the tracker please.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Friday 17 January 2014 15:20:21 Tobiasz Karon' wrote:
> > > >>> > As I mentioned in "Collecting anonymous statistical
data" thread,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> seeing
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > what features of the program are not used by the users
could help
> >
> > us
> >
> > > >>> > display a proper Tip of The Day to make sure the user
will learn
> > > >>>
> > > >>> something
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > new, not read how to save files, if he does it 20
times a week.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > We'd need a list of features that would both be
accesed by the
> > > >>>
> > > >>> statistic
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > gathering system as well as the tips.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > If every feature has a unique ID umber, we could then
add a
> > > >>> > reportUse(featureID) function that would add a log
about what was
> > > >>>
> > > >>> launched
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > when.
> > > >>> > We could have a simple text (CSV) file with:
> > > >>> > featureID; featureName; featureTipTitle;
> >
> > featureTipContent;<newline>
> >
> > > >>> > Example file contents:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > *000001;* "File > Open..."; "Loading project using
main program
> >
> > menu";
> >
> > > >>> "You
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > can load an existing project using the main menu.
Select "File"
> > > >>> > and
> > > >>>
> > > >>> then
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > "Open..." in the new submenut that appears. Then use
the file
> >
> > browser
> >
> > > >>> to
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > pick the project file you want to load. Press <enter>
or click
> >
> > <Open>
> >
> > > >>> > button. Wait until the project loading is complete and
you're
> >
> > ready to
> >
> > > >>> > continue previous work!";<newline>
> > > >>> > *000002;* "Main Toolbar > Open"; "Loading project
using main
> >
> > toolbar
> >
> > > >>> > button"; "You can load an existing project using the
main toolbar.
> >
> > Use
> >
> > > >>> the
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > Open File button. Then with the file browser - pick
the project
> >
> > file
> >
> > > >>> you
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > want to load. Press <enter> or click <Open> button.
Wait until the
> > > >>>
> > > >>> project
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > loading is complete and you're ready to continue previous
> > > >>>
> > > >>> work!";<newline>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > <...>
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > *000213*; "Drag+Ctrl in Sequencer"; "Dragging
Sequencer clips
> > > >>>
> > > >>> overriding
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > the bar grid"; "You can move (or resize) a clip in the
Sequencer
> > > >>> > by
> > > >>> > fraction of a bar. First click on a clip with Left
Mouse Button
> > > >>> > and
> > > >>>
> > > >>> hold
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > it, then start dragging the clip and finally - press
and hold Ctrl
> > > >>>
> > > >>> key. The
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > same can be done for changing the clip's length - just
click on
> > > >>> > the
> > > >>>
> > > >>> right
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > edge of a clip instead of it's body.";
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > The Tip of The Day function should sort the features
by usage.
> > > >>> > Then
> > > >>>
> > > >>> make a
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > list of top X less used features in the last time
frame (say: 90
> >
> > days)
> >
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > randomly pick one from there. It should log that a tip was
> >
> > displayed
> >
> > > >>> at a
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > given date to not repeat itself until all other
possibilities are
> > > >>>
> > > >>> already
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > exploited - showing a tip and getting user's "I got
this" click in
> > > >>> > it's
> > > >>> > window should be counted as a use of the feature to
make it go
> >
> > lower
> >
> > > >>> > in
> > > >>> > sorting.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Also users should be able to click "Useful (+1)" or
"Useless (-1)"
> >
> > for
> >
> > > >>> each
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > tip - and developers will then see the feedback for
tips. The tips
> > > >>>
> > > >>> which
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > have "top useless" score should be revisited and changed.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > I can offer my help in writing the tips and start the
feature
> > > >>> > list,
> > > >>>
> > > >>> however
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > I'll need some help with this and we should design
this with the
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Reporting
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > Anonymous Statistical Data system in mind.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Also designing the feedback system and how developers
see it's
> >
> > input
> >
> > > >>> form
> > > >>>
> > > >>> > users is out of my scope now - if anyone has ideas how
it can be
> >
> > done,
> >
> > > >>> > please rise you hand.
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Tobiasz *unfa*
> > > >>
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