Hi Karl, Karl Schock said the following on 05.12.2006 23:21: [...] > 1. What effect will the drop from 10 to 5 years have in your country? > > 2. Is it a problem to convince candidates in your country to spend > time and money every 5 years (or even better every 2 years) to > recertificate and stay ACTIVE instead of every 10 years? > > 3. Do you think that employers in your country want a drop from > 10 to 5 years? > > My answers for my country: > > 1. The number of exams will not raise. > > 2. It will become harder to convince candidates. > > 3. No. Because 95% don't know the difference between LPIC > ACTIVE/INACTIVE. > (If they would know the difference 99,9% would want the drop because > it is a drop - thats's Germany.)
Hear, hear! Karl knows what will happen in the near future! Could you predict some other easy facts? Sorry, but I couldn't resist ;-) Here *my* answers for my country, which is the same one as yours: 1. Who can tell that and based on what facts? 2. This is ridicolous, to be honest. If you take all L1 and L2 exams within a few days/hours (as Bryan did) then you have *the* skills to pass a L3 exam and thus your ACTIVE period will be extended. If you take the exams as all "normal" candidates, then you will reach L1, then work as Linux professional (whatever that means for each of you) and then prepare yourself for L2. After you have achieved that you can either consider to move along to L3 or take one exam within 5 years after your last exam. 3. No comment. (Employers are looking for the best available staff. The certificate is one part in the whole process.) BTW: where do you have that fine percentages? I wouldn't trade with numbers that aren't based on hard facts. Please forward us any research results that prove these... > > IMHO dropping from 10 to 5 makes it all worse in Germany. The biggest > challenge here is that not enough employers know what LPIC is and I > would > be pleased when the LPI would develop ideas to improve it instead of > discourage candidates and upset volunteers. Karl, what are you trying to tell us? How does the reduction of the ACTIVE state of a perpetual *VALID* certification from 10 to 5 years makes anything worse than it is here in Germany? I can't follow your arguments. Let me give you a funny (I hope) example: If an athlet, lets say a runner, wins one contest, does he stop training? Does he stop entering other contest because he won once and therefore he is *a* certified winner? Of course no one can take him the gold medal from his first contest he won, but what is it worth if he now has a big belly? So what the recertification policy does, is to help a third party to differ between certificate holders that are in business and maintain their certifications and holders that do not. [...] > > Is there anybody on the list who is able to do it? Or is it really > necessary to organize a sit-in in front of the LPI headquarters > in Toronto? ;-) No comment on that. A last advice Karl, and I really hope you don't mind. There is a difference between what you claim to know about a local market as the German one and the reality. You cannot extrapolate what *you* think to all others because you did not ask them if they do so. I'm really tired to read people writing about "us", "them", "all" and whatever. Express *your* opinion and if you have the right arguments, others will respect it, but do not write what Germans do, think, want without having their mandate. Just repeating: although I'm LPI staff, the above are my personal opinion, since my working area is only restricted to exam development. Regards, Taki -- Dimitrios Bogiatzoules Product Developer LPIC-2 Linux Professional Institute GnuPG Key ID A7E4D183 http://www.lpi.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.lpi-german.de
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