Hello everyone.
new LPIC-1 graduate here.
I just wanted to put my vote in for 5 years.
in 5 years we could have ext4 jfs and new features in bash
or even bash be replaced by Re-Bourne Again Shell for example.
the more up to date we are the better we look :)
just my .02
Danny Williams JR.
Dimitrios Bogiatzoules, LPI Product Developer wrote:
Hi Karl,
Karl Schock said the following on 05.12.2006 23:21:
[...]
1. What effect will the drop from 10 to 5 years have in your country?
2. Is it a problem to convince candidates in your country to spend
time and money every 5 years (or even better every 2 years) to
recertificate and stay ACTIVE instead of every 10 years?
3. Do you think that employers in your country want a drop from
10 to 5 years?
My answers for my country:
1. The number of exams will not raise.
2. It will become harder to convince candidates.
3. No. Because 95% don't know the difference between LPIC
ACTIVE/INACTIVE.
(If they would know the difference 99,9% would want the drop because
it is a drop - thats's Germany.)
Hear, hear! Karl knows what will happen in the near future! Could you
predict some other easy facts? Sorry, but I couldn't resist ;-)
Here *my* answers for my country, which is the same one as yours:
1. Who can tell that and based on what facts?
2. This is ridicolous, to be honest. If you take all L1 and L2 exams
within a few days/hours (as Bryan did) then you have *the* skills to
pass a L3 exam and thus your ACTIVE period will be extended. If you take
the exams as all "normal" candidates, then you will reach L1, then work
as Linux professional (whatever that means for each of you) and then
prepare yourself for L2. After you have achieved that you can either
consider to move along to L3 or take one exam within 5 years after your
last exam.
3. No comment. (Employers are looking for the best available staff. The
certificate is one part in the whole process.) BTW: where do you have
that fine percentages? I wouldn't trade with numbers that aren't based
on hard facts. Please forward us any research results that prove these...
IMHO dropping from 10 to 5 makes it all worse in Germany. The biggest
challenge here is that not enough employers know what LPIC is and I
would
be pleased when the LPI would develop ideas to improve it instead of
discourage candidates and upset volunteers.
Karl, what are you trying to tell us? How does the reduction of the
ACTIVE state of a perpetual *VALID* certification from 10 to 5 years
makes anything worse than it is here in Germany?
I can't follow your arguments. Let me give you a funny (I hope) example:
If an athlet, lets say a runner, wins one contest, does he stop
training? Does he stop entering other contest because he won once and
therefore he is *a* certified winner?
Of course no one can take him the gold medal from his first contest he
won, but what is it worth if he now has a big belly?
So what the recertification policy does, is to help a third party to
differ between certificate holders that are in business and maintain
their certifications and holders that do not.
[...]
Is there anybody on the list who is able to do it? Or is it really
necessary to organize a sit-in in front of the LPI headquarters
in Toronto? ;-)
No comment on that.
A last advice Karl, and I really hope you don't mind. There is a
difference between what you claim to know about a local market as the
German one and the reality. You cannot extrapolate what *you* think to
all others because you did not ask them if they do so. I'm really tired
to read people writing about "us", "them", "all" and whatever. Express
*your* opinion and if you have the right arguments, others will respect
it, but do not write what Germans do, think, want without having their
mandate.
Just repeating: although I'm LPI staff, the above are my personal
opinion, since my working area is only restricted to exam development.
Regards,
Taki
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