Hi Matt,

> There is no core exam.  Just two exams right now.  Whether the tasks end up
> being part of the 'samba' or the 'ldap' exams will be fleshed out as we
> organize everything into objectives.

Me and Bryan agree on the need of a core exam, we just diverge on the scope. Is 
this idea already
rejected by LPI, or is this just a statement of current plans which may be 
subject to change after
the JTA? Maybe we are dicussing something that is not open to discussion in 
this moment...

I also agree with him that not having a core exam will lead to duplication of 
eforts on many LPIC-3
exams. I don't think LPIC-3 should have strong LDAP skills as mandatory and so 
I don't think the
LDAP exam relaces the "core" exam proposal. But is LPI opinion that LDAP is 
mandatory for LPIC-3,
and so it could embrace all "core" auth/dir/naming pre-requisites for other 
exams?


> > Second, I can't imagine anyone using winbind outside a scenario of Windows
> > integration.  If someone uses winbind for apache or squid or whatever auth
> > he does that because he already has the windows integration need and has to
> > master samba for that.
> 
> Well, we're Linux focused but integration is a real world scenario that we
> should cover, too.  We should include winbind and let the JTA tell us how
> important it is to everyone.

My comment was about having winbind outside the samba exam and inside the auth 
exam as I understood
was Bryan proposal. I never sugested leaving winbind out of the LPIC-3. :-)


> We don't have to shy away from making the LDAP portion of the exam hard.
> It is an advanced level exam, after all.

I just think an enterprise samba admin should not be required to have strong 
LDAP skills. If LPIC-3
is just LDAP and Samba you make this a requirement. Of course the LDAP exam 
would be hard, because
LDAP is a complex subject, but that would be only for whoever chooses this 
track. :-)

So far I understand there are three propostions. Please correct me if I am 
wrong:

1. LPI Initial plan for LPIC-3,
    both required for achieving LPICP-3
1.1 Samba exam
1.2 Ldap exam

2. Bryan proposal,
    first and one of the other two required for achieving LPICP-3
2.1. Core auth/naming exam, covers ldap and winbind
2.2. Samba exam, covers only file services + ldap integration
2.3. LDAP exam, covers directory replication, performance and schema 
customization

3. My proposal,
    first and one of the other two required for achieving LPICP-3
3.1. Core auth/naming/files exam, covers PAM, NSS, ACLs, basic LDAP, doesn't 
cover winbind
3.2. Samba exam, including winbind
3.3. LDAP exam, including samba integration

I think either mine or Bryan's make it easier future creation of aditional 
exams like security and
A&R. But as I said, is LPI open for discussing this? Or it is already settled 
on proposal (1)?


[]s, Fernando Lozano

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